Joe MacCarthy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) This video illustrates a lot of the stuff I was saying early in this thread, about what he would bring to the table, that we never had before. There's a lot more than X and Os. And I think he definitely deserves credit for being the first coach to be the Concacafer and not the Concacafee. I posted earlier in this thread about how well the women play away from home and many said it's a totally different environment for the men. That is true but many of the principles and techniques he teaches for coping are the same. I can remember a game (it had to be before he coached the women) that Sinclair was lining up a penalty and I think it was the Brazilian players were all around her, even touching her. She got rattled and missed IIRC and they got in her face again. I couldn't understand why any teammate would allow that and why any coach could ever let that happen. You know what will happen it some country tries that against us now. They're suddenly gonna have 10 guys surround them and that includes Crepeau or Borjan. It's been a long time comin' Edited October 17, 2021 by Joe MacCarthy Sal333, johnyb, MtlMario and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sal333 said: A very insightful video into Herdman and what happened to this team especially the answer Herdman gave to the last question. For at least a couple of answers, this is Herdman in his element. Yet, I haven't seen none of the soccer media reporting on these answers from a October 15th call yet. Instead, most often mentioned were the call with GGG and the Edmonton weather advantage. But the most telling answers for me were: First camp under Herdman had 2 fights. People said to him that this is men’s football. But Herdman stood against it. You can fight with your opponent but you don’t fight internally. It isn’t a man or woman’s thing. This is a dysfunctional team. We have to eliminate the threat inside this team which is the broken relationship, the factions, these little cliques…The Scottish boys went one way, the Spanish speaking guys went one way, the Eastern European guys went one way. The leadership group now understand the importance of shared purpose, understand the importance of their own humility and understand the importance of connecting every man regardless of race, religion & language. The All Blacks doc he had them watch is I believe Chasing Great: a very personal insight into high level international sport and a revealing psychological profile of the mind of a champion. Natural strength, hard work and sacrifice only get him so far. To become the best he has to master his mind. The mental toughness and self knowledge that Richie McCaw has honed and worked to attain over the later years of his career has elevated him from a great player into perhaps the greatest ever. Edited October 17, 2021 by red card apbsmith, narduch, JamboAl and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Wonder why Herdman is so opposed to spirited teammates getting into tussles? https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/fight-teammates-glentoran-northern-ireland-red-card/8oxkwugj8p3j19795wufct6we ted and narduch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) Wonder why Herdman is so opposed to spirited teammates getting into tussles? Edited October 18, 2021 by Joe MacCarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Who would be be part of a "Scottish" clique aside from Wotherspoon and Arfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, jonovision said: Who would be be part of a "Scottish" clique aside from Wotherspoon and Arfield? Caldwell? jonovision, johnyb and nolando 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, jonovision said: Who would be be part of a "Scottish" clique aside from Wotherspoon and Arfield? Emilio Bottiglieri and Russel Huggon? An Observer and The Real Marc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, jonovision said: Who would be be part of a "Scottish" clique aside from Wotherspoon and Arfield? Arfield wasn't at that first camp in Spain. Wotherspoon was though. There weren't that many Spanish speakers either. Looking at the attendees for that camp, it was certainly strange that there were cliques. sstackho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, El Hombre said: Arfield wasn't at that first camp in Spain. Wotherspoon was though. There weren't that many Spanish speakers either. Looking at the attendees for that camp, it was certainly strange that there were cliques. Just going off the roster for the game vs NZ Potential Scottish speakers - Wotherspoon and Godinho(😀) Potential Spanish speakers - Piette and Osorio That's a recipe for fireworks. Alternatively, during that camp they also played Risk to pass the time and Herdman is still upset at some of the alliances/cliques that wiped him out of the game. h coach and Cheeta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, El Hombre said: Arfield wasn't at that first camp in Spain. Wotherspoon was though. There weren't that many Spanish speakers either. Looking at the attendees for that camp, it was certainly strange that there were cliques. I was at the Floro first camp in Oliva, near Valencia. Poolside at the team hotel and in the hotel, and in the stands for the first Mauritania match. So yes, some cliques are obvious, you can see them when you are up close. I think there is no question there will always be cliques on any team and why not? Why shouldn't guys like Larin and Laryea who grew up as friends not hang out, or others who may have some background, were club teammates, have a language affinity? Is Herdman saying he prefers French to not be spoken in a Canada camp? He was biting his tongue to remind himself not to say anything about guys from the 'hood hanging out together (and yes I am fucking being sarcastic). I mean, really. Another thing is if you ask a senior player or captian to mentor, or have an overall principle you instill whereby everyone gets to feel part, where the newbies are included. I think it is probably good to mix up how they room, if they are sharing, and only accept that you let a very senior player or captain decide (often because a captain has other responsibilities including in a hotel, they are regularly visited by other players to deal with issues, at least on many clubs). As usual, I found 80% of that Herdman intervew to be tedious and uninteresting. The whole New Zealand business I can do without, it is totally mundane and has been heard a million times. Mind you, the questions were even worse, pure fluff. We desperately need some more independent journalists working for prying, inquisitive editors, asking harder questions--like why we've only scored first once in 6 games, and twice in the last 9. Edited October 18, 2021 by Unnamed Trialist Sal333, narduch, The Real Marc and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I don't want to diminish that presser, as I really enjoyed Herdman sharing all that experience. I really never considered his possible exposure to the all blacks and what that might have contributed to his growth as a manager. That said, here are the Murcia camp groups that rumbled: Pan Slavs - Borjan, Jakovic Caribbean - MAK, James, Ricketts, Larin, Morgan, Cornelius, Edwards Quebecrs - Piette Latinx Africa - Osorio, Adekugbe, Akindele Mediterranean - Petrasso, Godinho, Swiss Neutral - Leutwiler Scottish (not a national distinction, but rather the only names Colin Miller knows how to spell) - Millar, Simon Thomas, Edgar, Wotherspoon, Chapman, Fraser. Oddly, the first bit of team building occurred when Osorio and Ricketts switched sides, facilitating Caribbean to be renamed "Brampton." Brampton crushed Scotland for CMNT supremacy and the rest is history. A_Gagne, nolando and Unnamed Trialist 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, youllneverwalkalone said: I don't want to diminish that presser, as I really enjoyed Herdman sharing all that experience. I really never considered his possible exposure to the all blacks and what that might have contributed to his growth as a manager. That said, here are the Murcia camp groups that rumbled: Pan Slavs - Borjan, Jakovic Caribbean - MAK, James, Ricketts, Larin, Morgan, Cornelius, Edwards Quebecrs - Piette Latinx Africa - Osorio, Adekugbe, Akindele Mediterranean - Petrasso, Godinho, Swiss Neutral - Leutwiler Scottish (not a national distinction, but rather the only names Colin Miller knows how to spell) - Millar, Simon Thomas, Edgar, Wotherspoon, Chapman, Fraser. Oddly, the first bit of team building occurred when Osorio and Ricketts switched sides, facilitating Caribbean to be renamed "Brampton." Brampton crushed Scotland for CMNT supremacy and the rest is history. He really should call up less Quebecois so they don't start going off on him. Oh, the Scottish spelling bit, priceless. Edited October 18, 2021 by Unnamed Trialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cblake Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Coach in and around Edmonton today, getting the city pumped for the upcoming World Cup Qualifiers. Lets pack the place, no excuses. Kent, Ol'Bill, Kadenge and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, Cblake said: Coach in and around Edmonton today, getting the city pumped for the upcoming World Cup Qualifiers. Lets pack the place, no excuses. You love to see it. Seeing the boys plastered on the outside of Rogers Place almost makes it seem like we're actually a footballing nation. This is what I've always wanted to see. Also, I'm very much looking forward to Edmonton (hopefully) showing Canada Soccer that the west knows how to host a football match. Kent and apbsmith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I hadn't seen that massive poster on Rogers Place, nice! I flipped to the Oilers game last night and saw Herdman's face right away for that interview. Great to see that, was a decent interview I thought too. Hopefully the people of Edmonton step up like they did for the World Cup game in 2015, and the Brazil friendly in 1994! A_Gagne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cblake Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Kent said: I hadn't seen that massive poster on Rogers Place, nice! I flipped to the Oilers game last night and saw Herdman's face right away for that interview. Great to see that, was a decent interview I thought too. Hopefully the people of Edmonton step up like they did for the World Cup game in 2015, and the Brazil friendly in 1994! I think the Edmonton and surrounding communities will really get behind these games. It has been priced perfectly to sell, groups will get an even better deal. I honestly expected 50K at both. I will be very curious how tickets do right out of the gate, will we see a real run on them? johnyb and Sal333 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 ......and I hope 10% of that 50k go see FCE in the future. A_Gagne, Kadenge, chalms04 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cblake Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, MtlMario said: ......and I hope 10% of that 50k go see FCE in the future. Well with a FCE home match the day after the Costa Rica match, they will have a lot of football minded people in town to engage. MtlMario and gator 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 This is huge and considering most of the guys in Murcia are still around Herdman has done wonders to turn around the culture of this team. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, VinceA said: This is huge and considering most of the guys in Murcia are still around Herdman has done wonders to turn around the culture of this team. "You know you can fight with the opponent but you don't fight internally" Boys really took him up on that one A_Gagne, chalms04, zammy67 and 8 others 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 MtlMario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) Herdman does a podcast with Athletic Football Business of Sport. In hindsight, he prequelled a lot of what he said in his October 15th presser posted on the previous page. Only thing really new for me is that he named Scott Arfield as one who pushed back with "this is men's football" line when confronted about fights and dsyfunctionality of the team. Other newish content is that he interviewed 40 people past & present of the national teams to understand what he was getting into. And there was some pushback in playing teenagers from the veterans. He appears to also want something more meaningful than a high profile Euro club managerial job. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vVEFNQzE5NzkwMDE4NTk/episode/YzM3ZWI2ZDYtMjQ0MS0xMWVjLWExMDItZmYyZWUyMTdiNDEw?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahgKEwiQwLy6qO3zAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQ81M Herdman is bidding to qualify for men’s World Cup in Qatar next year for the first time since 1986, having previously seen success with Canada's women's team at the Olympics, winning two bronze medals. Listen to his story and the way that he's been able to transform a nation's prospects, whilst not always receiving the best support out there. Edited October 28, 2021 by red card Sal333, Free kick, apbsmith and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Thanks. Here's the link for those that are Spotify-inclined. Sal333, Trois Reds and apbsmith 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 6:23 PM, Joe MacCarthy said: This video illustrates a lot of the stuff I was saying early in this thread, about what he would bring to the table, that we never had before. There's a lot more than X and Os. He actually said that in the Athletic Football interview. I love a good interview that I can listen to working around the house. Thanks to red card for posting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I'd love to hear the usual suspects' opinions on all of the things he's been doing behind the scenes and how he's completely changed the Canadian program from the bottom up. Durrrrrr Hurdman bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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