ted Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 11:58 AM, A_Gagne said: I think the use of "BCFC" demonstrates a positive differentiation from the Caps, and also demonstrates that they are trying to position themselves as a peer competitor to the Caps, whereas if they had taken a more local focused name, it would indicate smaller ambitions. Amazing how little ambition is demonstrated by teams with names like, "Barcelona", or "Manchester City". This flies in the face of the evidence and seems to demonstrate a lack of understanding or appreciation for soccer culture. A culture which values local identity and ,as has been repeatedly pointed out, any CanPL team that actually claims to be a, "peer competitor" rather than a, "scrappy lower league team", is doomed. It will be mocked in the media, not taken seriously by what passes for sports journalists in the this country, and will therefore not be covered by the very media which will determine the survival or failure of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 8 hours ago, ted said: Amazing how little ambition is demonstrated by teams with names like, "Barcelona", or "Manchester City". This flies in the face of the evidence and seems to demonstrate a lack of understanding or appreciation for soccer culture. A culture which values local identity and ,as has been repeatedly pointed out, any CanPL team that actually claims to be a, "peer competitor" rather than a, "scrappy lower league team", is doomed. It will be mocked in the media, not taken seriously by what passes for sports journalists in the this country, and will therefore not be covered by the very media which will determine the survival or failure of the club. get your point but Surrey ain't exactly Barcelona or Manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I'm not in favour of clubs that name themselves after a massive area rather than a specific community or traversable region. Try to be everything and you end up being nothing. After all, BC is larger in size than France. GuillermoDelQuarto and ted 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 RIP ACBC. ThiKu, xman14, ted and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Blue and White Army said: I'm not in favour of clubs that name themselves after a massive area rather than a specific community or traversable region. Try to be everything and you end up being nothing. After all, BC is larger in size than France. I think securing the trademark is actually smart. Initially, calling themselves "BC" if there's no other CPL team around makes sense business-wise to draw as many fans as possible. I think it's obvious that Vancouver Island would support Victoria even if a BC team exists. However, once there are more BC clubs, (Kelowna, Richmond or Burnaby) they should changed their name to Fraser or Surrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 On 12/29/2017 at 10:56 AM, Ansem said: However, once there are more BC clubs, (Kelowna, Richmond or Burnaby) they should changed their name to Fraser or Surrey. Oh come ON! Now you are just taking the piss. You don't just change the name of a team!?!?! That goes against sports culture in general, soccer culture in particular, and is a pretty dumb marketing move. Invest millions in a, "brand" only to throw it away in a couple of years?!?! I doubt anyone investing in a team or thw league wants to hear that sort of nonsense. Kent, GuillermoDelQuarto and Blue and White Army 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) How about keeping BCFC bit just adding Surrey once Victoria and other mainland clubs arrives? Surrey, BCFC isn't that bad Don't get me wrong, I'd rather they just call themselves Surrey but they are competing directly with the Whitecaps. If they feel they need that name to get the rest of the proving behind them initially, can't argue against the logic. Them succeeding is more important than a name. They can always add Surrey once there's more trams in bc Edited December 30, 2017 by Ansem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) I'm having a hard time figuring what this all really matters. If come 2019 there is a professional soccer team playing in a stadium somewhere in Surrey, that would be amazing. Whoever owns the team can call it whatever they want. The only opinion that really matters are the people of Surrey/Fraser Valley. If the name bothers people from elsewhere, good.. now you have the team you love to hate Edited December 30, 2017 by SpursFlu CDNFootballer and ted 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 The would be Saskatchewan team that is leaning towards Saskatoon rather than Regina at the moment seemed to want to be the franchise for the entire province in some of the early newspaper articles, so can understand why a BC branding would raise alarm bells in Victoria in a league that has at times been pitched as a soccer version of the CFL. Given Paul Beirne has also talked about Kelowna w/ Penticton as a potential market it all seems a bit overblown, however, especially when the more obvious concern at the moment should be why the league hasn't been able to have a six team post-World Cup soft launch despite FCE's recent departure from the NASL. If the business plan is seen as unsustainable in Edmonton, is it likely to ever fly in Victoria? Arguments over franchise names between multiple pro level soccer teams in BC would be a nice problem to have down the road, but seem a bit pie in the sky at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) @BringBackTheBlizzard Omg... you're off topic. You don't quit do you Edited December 30, 2017 by Ansem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 18 hours ago, Ansem said: @BringBackTheBlizzard Omg... you're off topic. You don't quit do you Actually for a change he is bang on topic. LOL Rintaran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Not putting this here to reinforce any previous opinions on stadium site but noticed something the other day and found an article on line that confirmed. A 3 ice sheet community facility was confirmed to be built at Cloverdale fairgrounds. Last summer the area was cleared and it was confirmed that construction was underway. I noticed they had completely stopped doing any work at that site while another similar facility in Bridgeview with same timelines was much further ahead. The city did confirm the Cloverdale facility is now on hold saying the contractor costs had got too high. I call bs. Im thinking its on hold because fairgrounds is likely where the city wants the soccer stadium and a new master plan for the fairgrounds would have to be drafted if the CPL agrees I know that' a lot of speculation but that is very strange that a project like that would just suddenly stop dead in its tracks and the city has confirmed they will be making a decision/suggestion in January where to put this stadium Edited January 4, 2018 by SpursFlu CDNFootballer and Rheo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Sounds like you may be onto something. Is this the location in question? https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1178868,-122.7299252,325m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 That is the one. A little late in the game of a very high profile, much needed project to claim the numbers don't add up. I don' think it's one or the other, I think the city would like to re purpose the Stetson bowl next to that site. Building of both would definitely need to take the other in to account when designed and built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Looks like a viable candidate for a retrofitted pro soccer stadium at relatively low expense. Only obvious issue would be that it's probably not that good from a transit standpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) People in the Valley are not very transit dependent. I also believe that the fairgrounds will be a temp solution with some aspects being pop up but leaving a much needed 5-7 K stadium legacy for the community. I bet the city is eyeing a much larger stadium in City Centre with the Lions but probably 5 years out. Also keep in mind that Surrey United's clubhouse and facility is currently being renovated which is right next to Cloverdale fairgrounds. City of Surrey put in on that. Professional soccer teams need somewhere to practice and it' not really used mon-friday daytime Edited January 5, 2018 by SpursFlu BringBackTheBlizzard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 29/12/2017 at 1:56 PM, Ansem said: I think securing the trademark is actually smart. Initially, calling themselves "BC" if there's no other CPL team around makes sense business-wise to draw as many fans as possible. Ontario Maple Leafs, Ontario Blue Jays, Ontario Raptors, Ontario Argonauts, Ontario FC. Uh huh. ted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blue and White Army said: Ontario Maple Leafs, Ontario Blue Jays, Ontario Raptors, Ontario Argonauts, Ontario FC. Uh huh. You're comparing Surrey to Toronto? and most of those clubs have no competition except the Argos... so the context is completely different. I don't agree with the strategy, but understand the logic behind it. They are most likely thinking that since the Whitecaps are mainly a "Vancouver draw" and fighting for fans on their turf initially might be very costly and unsuccessful, might as well go after the rest of the province. Playing friendlies and holding public practices all over BC with the name "BC" except in Vancouver and Victoria makes marketing sense. A Quebec City team will do the same as in French, we don't say "City". They will be call "Quebec" and go after the whole province outside of Montreal Island positioning themselves as the province's team. Again, right thing to do. Edited January 5, 2018 by Ansem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Ansem said: and most of those clubs have no competition except the Argos. How so???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 45 minutes ago, CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE said: How so???? Regionally, Hamilton...maybe? I'm stretching it here. Surrey however will be in the Caps territory (I think it was mentioned somewhere that the Caps considered Manitoba to BC as their backyard). So regardless of that, Surrey have to do whatever they need to compete. Different context. I don't like the use of BCFC but I understand its logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 12/30/2017 at 11:38 AM, ted said: Oh come ON! Now you are just taking the piss. You don't just change the name of a team!?!?! That goes against sports culture in general, soccer culture in particular, and is a pretty dumb marketing move. Invest millions in a, "brand" only to throw it away in a couple of years?!?! I doubt anyone investing in a team or thw league wants to hear that sort of nonsense. ted, u know i love it when we agree ted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 9:58 AM, SpursFlu said: People in the Valley are not very transit dependent. I also believe that the fairgrounds will be a temp solution with some aspects being pop up but leaving a much needed 5-7 K stadium legacy for the community. I bet the city is eyeing a much larger stadium in City Centre with the Lions but probably 5 years out. Also keep in mind that Surrey United's clubhouse and facility is currently being renovated which is right next to Cloverdale fairgrounds. City of Surrey put in on that. Professional soccer teams need somewhere to practice and it' not really used mon-friday daytime There's a nice Casino/Entertainment complex right beside the fairgrounds as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Cloverdale would be a disaster. No one from Vancouver would attend - how many would drive from there? Few, at best. xman14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, ThiKu said: Cloverdale would be a disaster. No one from Vancouver would attend - how many would drive from there? Few, at best. Is Vancouver (City) the top target or Surrey + the rest of the valley? More people live in Surrey (517k) + the surrounding cities than Vancouver (City @ 631k). I'm sure there will be people from Vancouver still checking it out though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 If it were a pop up to be replaced by a bigger stadium in downtown Whalley, it would be similar to early MLS with the Caps. If that's the only way to get the league going I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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