Ottawa CPL Club

[Ansem]

That's actually a very good point. I always had my doubts about CPL needing to match MLS financials...

CPL must however prove long term viability. 

If the concept of "parity" was true, PSG should have requested that exemption years ago as they spend more than over half of League 1 combined. Disparity in team budgets is nothing new and is more if the norm than the exception.

CPL's only focus at this point is to grow and prove that it can be viable for the long term

[Unnamed Trialist]

10 hours ago, dyslexic nam said:

I guess my point is that there is no guidelines either way, so BBTB saying that  "If Canada has a fully pro D1 league then all fully pro teams from Canada should be in that league" is just speculation.  The reality is that we have no idea on what grounds FIFA makes its decision.  Maybe they weigh league strength, maybe they don't.  

I am not saying that the Canadian MLS clubs will be allowed to play in MLS indefinitely - just that it is silly to assume we know FIFA's thought process when there is absolutely no explanation given.  

In retrospect is suppose my post should have specified "potential justification".

I think that the opinion of respective federations is what counts to FIFA, via its regional bodies. 

Right now there's a team in Andorra, called Andorra and now owned by Pique, that is playing in a Spanish division. The rest are in the Andorra league and the winner goes to Europa League qualifying rounds. Why does this team play outside of Andorra? First, the Andorran federation is in favour as many national team players are on it. Next, it raises profile of Andorra outside of the small country. Third, the Spanish federation has no problem with it, nor ever has, in part because Andorra, before full constitutional independance, was a Principality with co-princes, who were the President of France and the closest Spanish bishop (in a city called la Seu d'Urgell, in Catalonia). So there was a historically favourable basis on a political level. An Andorran team also plays in the Spanish basketball league and even played European competition this year as a Spanish rep.

Contrary position: Gibraltar. No Gibraltar team plays in any Spanish league (it perhaps did occur in the past, but not now).  Spain claims that it is a colony, as it is British by a treaty arrangement from a colonial period war, as had been Menorca. Spain argues that it is theirs, that it should be decolonised in line with all post WWII decolonisation processes. Obviously this argument is not accepted by the UK (and has some holes), though recently, in the Brexit negotiation, the EU accepted most of the Spanish argument. All this is beside the point: Spain will not let Gibraltar teams with that name play in their leagues, for political reasons, unless they submit themselves to the Spanish federation. And also has requested to the EU to NEVER have to play any international match vs. a Gibraltar team, not senior, u-20, not women: NEVER. Which means all draws in Europe are doctored on this basis (Spain also refuses to recognise or play against Kosovo). 

So basically what are we saying: the mutual interest of the two parts, which in this case would be CSA and USSF, is what is important. If both agree, then you come to an arrangement. If one part does not accept it, then it can't happen. That is the criteria, though arguments about relative quality, budget, travel, or whatever, are simply additional reasoning to bolster the national federation's decision: which can ignore all those criteria if a simple political factor is enough to override them. Same, I believe, here: if the CSA says no, then it is no, but with MLS as a precedent, you can throw in arguments, any you like, to back the decision. 

[Ansem]

12 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

So basically what are we saying: the mutual interest of the two parts, which in this case would be CSA and USSF, is what is important. If both agree, then you come to an arrangement. If one part does not accept it, then it can't happen. That is the criteria, though arguments about relative quality, budget, travel, or whatever, are simply additional reasoning to bolster the national federation's decision: which can ignore all those criteria if a simple political factor is enough to override them. Same, I believe, here: if the CSA says no, then it is no, but with MLS as a precedent, you can throw in arguments, any you like, to back the decision. 

Totally agree and I will add this.

What's in the best interest of the CSA and Canadian soccer

1.Status quo where a few Canadians compete in MLS

2.Having the 3 clubs in CPL clubs and upgrading the level of play of the league?*

*What I mean by that is that too often Americans fans like to over value their league by saying "MLS clubs could beat la Liga or other Tier 1 bottoms". I usually answer that they might get beat often by the best but playing Messi and the top clubs often forces them to raise their game too and most importantly, they can keep up, same in France or other leagues who have huge disparity between top and bottom clubs.

**I'd like a scenario where it's 2029 and CPL will ink a more lucrative media deal. Including the 3 ownership automatically raise the value of the deal significantly. Just got to make it worth their while during the 1st deal including them. (They should get a bigger piece at first as they are raising the value of the deal with our Sports cable network no longer able to ignore the league)

***Find a way to somehow let the 3 spend big money on internationals. Relax the cap rules which in turns allows CPL richest owners who can afford to keep up to spend too.

Sure, you'll have "poor and bad teams" but more Canadians being exposed to that elite level of play should accelerate their development. Those teams would get relegated and the promoted teams would bring a new batch of players ready to be tested and learn.

In a nutshell...is it the interest of a few vs the many that matters?

Sorry for the off topic post

Edited May 19, 2019 by Ansem

[youllneverwalkalone]

I would think the CSA and CONCACAF would throw all their weight behind the CPL. I think we did see the CSA oddly positioned in the Fury matter so this may just be my own wishful thinking.

[JamboAl]

Interesting news: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/rugby/english-rugby-league-ottawa-1.5142569

Don’t know if this affects CPL in Ottawa but I don’t know if this market can handle CFL, USL/CPL and minor league baseball over the summer months.  

[Cblake]

Make what you want of this, JDG is in the house tonight at the York 9 match in Toronto. 

[BuzzAndSting]

25 minutes ago, Cblake said:

Make what you want of this, JDG is in the house tonight at the York 9 match in Toronto. 

🤔

[dyslexic nam]

Just scouting teams for future rounds I imagine.

[Ansem]

48 minutes ago, Cblake said:

Make what you want of this, JDG is in the house tonight at the York 9 match in Toronto. 

Most likely to prep the Fury for the tournament.

I still think Valour wins

[narduch]

Ottawa isn't on the right side of the bracket to face the winner of this tie.

[dyslexic nam]

2 minutes ago, narduch said:

Ottawa isn't on the right side of the bracket to face the winner of this tie.

Must just be his well known admiration for CPL.

[narduch]

1 minute ago, dyslexic nam said:

Must just be his well known admiration for CPL.

LOL.

Maybe they are going to surprise us all and join CPL next year. Start scouting now.

[dyslexic nam]

Just now, narduch said:

LOL.

Maybe they are going to surprise us all and join CPL next year. Start scouting now.

Nah, according to him, he only has to scout Bekker.

[Initial B]

Come on guys, I haven't heard him say anything bad about the league publicly and I haven't heard anything privately bad since last fall. He probably visited his old TFC teammate Jim Brennan to cheer his team on.

[Gopherbashi]

44 minutes ago, Initial B said:

Come on guys, I haven't heard him say anything bad about the league publicly and I haven't heard anything privately bad since last fall. He probably visited his old TFC teammate Jim Brennan to cheer his team on.

Maybe he wanted to singlehandedly boost the match attendance by 1%.

[mtlsab]

On 5/19/2019 at 6:31 PM, Ansem said:

Totally agree and I will add this.

What's in the best interest of the CSA and Canadian soccer

1.Status quo where a few Canadians compete in MLS

2.Having the 3 clubs in CPL clubs and upgrading the level of play of the league?*

*What I mean by that is that too often Americans fans like to over value their league by saying "MLS clubs could beat la Liga or other Tier 1 bottoms". I usually answer that they might get beat often by the best but playing Messi and the top clubs often forces them to raise their game too and most importantly, they can keep up, same in France or other leagues who have huge disparity between top and bottom clubs.

**I'd like a scenario where it's 2029 and CPL will ink a more lucrative media deal. Including the 3 ownership automatically raise the value of the deal significantly. Just got to make it worth their while during the 1st deal including them. (They should get a bigger piece at first as they are raising the value of the deal with our Sports cable network no longer able to ignore the league)

***Find a way to somehow let the 3 spend big money on internationals. Relax the cap rules which in turns allows CPL richest owners who can afford to keep up to spend too.

Sure, you'll have "poor and bad teams" but more Canadians being exposed to that elite level of play should accelerate their development. Those teams would get relegated and the promoted teams would bring a new batch of players ready to be tested and learn.

In a nutshell...is it the interest of a few vs the many that matters?

Sorry for the off topic post

I fully agree with you! But I don't know if it would be possible to make that sort of deal!

Edited May 24, 2019 by mtlsab

[HfxCeltic]

Do the Fury have an away supporters section? Or is it fine to just sit with the Fury supporters? Booked flights already for the 2nd leg on July 24 and just trying to figure out seating options.

[m-g-williams]

40 minutes ago, HfxCeltic said:

Do the Fury have an away supporters section? Or is it fine to just sit with the Fury supporters? Booked flights already for the 2nd leg on July 24 and just trying to figure out seating options.

Not really, no. I've seen them do group bookings like that on rare occasions, but it doesn't seem like there's a designated away section (though this tends to happen on the north stand). Either way, I'll be sticking out like a sore thumb there with my Wanderers kit and Privateers 1882 scarf - make sure to say hello! 

[JamboAl]

And as a Fury season ticket holder, I would welcome any HFX Wanderers supporters to TD Place.  I would even wear my HFX Wanderers shirt but I think my fellow Fury supporters would disown me.  

[Ams1984]

14 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

And as a Fury season ticket holder, I would welcome any HFX Wanderers supporters to TD Place.  I would even wear my HFX Wanderers shirt but I think my fellow Fury supporters would disown me.  

I have to say, I’m really looking forward for this next round of the VC. Halifax vs Ottawa is a really interesting matchup. I’m especially interested because of the whole Ottawa-CPL controversy. I’m genuinely curious to see how the cookie crumbles. I’m also (as a York 9 FC supporter) really interested in seeing Y9 vs MTL! 

[Red and White]

3 hours ago, HfxCeltic said:

Do the Fury have an away supporters section? Or is it fine to just sit with the Fury supporters? Booked flights already for the 2nd leg on July 24 and just trying to figure out seating options.

If there's enough away support, Fury does do designated away sections (possibly as a group sale?). Typically, it's one of the box seating areas in the North side. Blainville and TFC had enough organized support for a section last year. I'm not sure how you set this up though - it probably starts by contacting the club.

You'd be more than welcome to join Fury supporters pre- and post- match! Probably not the best idea to wear an away kit in the supporters section during the match though lol.

Hope you have a good time

[HfxCeltic]

10 hours ago, Red and White said:

If there's enough away support, Fury does do designated away sections (possibly as a group sale?). Typically, it's one of the box seating areas in the North side. Blainville and TFC had enough organized support for a section last year. I'm not sure how you set this up though - it probably starts by contacting the club.

You'd be more than welcome to join Fury supporters pre- and post- match! Probably not the best idea to wear an away kit in the supporters section during the match though lol.

Hope you have a good time

Awesome! thanks for the heads up! and good points - we fully intend to be garbed out, so likely not a good look for anyone for us to join the SG haha. Another point though - we intend to have quite a few beverages, but don't want our slightly reduced decision making to impact  kids and families. Are there any other sections we should avoid? I have kids and don't want to be the idiot in the crowd that taints the experience for the little ones.

I've heard tell that the Privateers SG are organizing something though, so hopefully that all comes through and we have a nice little support for Halifax.

[JamboAl]

42 minutes ago, HfxCeltic said:

Awesome! thanks for the heads up! and good points - we fully intend to be garbed out, so likely not a good look for anyone for us to join the SG haha. Another point though - we intend to have quite a few beverages, but don't want our slightly reduced decision making to impact  kids and families. Are there any other sections we should avoid? I have kids and don't want to be the idiot in the crowd that taints the experience for the little ones.

I've heard tell that the Privateers SG are organizing something though, so hopefully that all comes through and we have a nice little support for Halifax.

I think you should be totally decked out in whatever Wanderers kit you would like.  It's good to have some away support at TD Place.  The "hard core" (and not very menacing) support is in the North End of the stadium while all the families and kids occupy the South Side - this is 98% of the seating for Fury games.     

[Initial B]

The last couple of seasons, the away support has been located on the North side field level beside Gate 1 or Gate 4. If you want to know what the section looks like, just google the Inebriatti ruckus footage.   The Fury supporters have been sitting in the Gate 4 area this season, so I'm hoping there aren't any security issues with the two supporter groups needing to pass each other to get to their seats. 

[Gopherbashi]

On 6/13/2019 at 10:01 PM, JamboAl said:

And as a Fury season ticket holder, I would welcome any HFX Wanderers supporters to TD Place.  I would even wear my HFX Wanderers shirt but I think my fellow Fury supporters would disown me.  

You should bring a #FuryToCPL sign to get on their good side.