RS Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Grandbloke said: Don’t be ridiculous. Most people on this board are eager for the Ottawa Fury to thrive in CanPL. That may be the case, but I'm referring to the posts about how easily the Fury could be replaced, mean nothing, and how their dissolution wouldn't be a loss for Canadian soccer. Shortdutchcanuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatsheafSK Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Shortdutchcanuck said: He's just saying there is a much stronger case to be made for MLS teams staying put as opposed to Ottawa. For example based on precedents like Swansea, Cardiff City, Monaco, Wellington Phoenix. I know exactly what he is saying. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the argument. We need a Canadian league - oh but some teams are too precious to touch. Why set to create the strongest league? Obviously many CanPL boosters here and some gleeful for the demise of the Fury - but why only target the Fury? This is a league that has to start strong. I still remember the CSL (the real one) and its success or lack there of. Instead, people hear accept the argument that three teams are golden eggs and cannot be touched, but it is okay to screw over another team that has supported Canadian soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandbloke Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, RS said: That may be the case, but I'm referring to the posts about how easily the Fury could be replaced, mean nothing, and how their dissolution wouldn't be a loss for Canadian soccer. OK. Thanks for the clarification. Their dissolution would definitely be a loss for Canadian soccer. BradMack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, RS said: There are way too many people in here all too eager to dance on the grave of a professional soccer club in Canada. Short term pain for long term gain. Winnipeg Fury, youllneverwalkalone, Ansem and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, masster said: Short term pain for long term gain. I disagree. There doesn't need to be any pain at all. As someone else posted further up, it'll probably play out that Ottawa gets an extension for 2019 and has to decide whether to join CanPL ion 2020 or lose sanctioning from CONCACAF. That's exactly how CONCACAF should've done it from the start, instead of this strange sledgehammer approach. Regardless, the potential of losing a proven club that employs Canadians is not something any of us should be happy about. Edited December 13, 2018 by RS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, RS said: I disagree. There doesn't need to be any pain at all. As someone else posted further up, it'll probably play out that Ottawa gets an extension for 2019 and has to decide whether to join CanPL ion 2020 or lose sanctioning from CONCACAF. That's exactly how CONCACAF should've done it from the start, instead of this strange sledgehammer approach. Exactly. The 'sledgehammer approach' may lead to that outcome...which means it will have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 but the sledgehammer approach IS CONCACAF! Red and White 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, masster said: Exactly. The 'sledgehammer approach' may lead to that outcome...which means it will have worked. So CONCACAF couldn't have just said "It's too late to reasonably pull your sanctioning for 2019, but you have a hard deadline of 2020 to decide whether you want to continue as a sanctioned pro club" and gotten the same result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 I applaud the CONCACAF decision, its the right move! Hopefully Canadian fans get on Ottawa Fury's twitter and facebook and email the team to let the Fury know they need to give up on the USL and join the Canadian Premier League. Lots of american USL fans are supporting the Fury's fight to stay in that league by the looks of replies so Canadian fans need to show them we support a Fury move to CPL not a legal fight to stay in a foreign league. Winnipeg Fury and Bbeto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Clearly orchestrated, I just can't believe the CSA and Vic actually had the balls to do it. I think they'll sanction Ottawa ultimately for one more year in USL but this was a big move - well done. CDNFootballer, youllneverwalkalone and gator 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, RS said: So CONCACAF couldn't have just said "It's too late to reasonably pull your sanctioning for 2019, but you have a hard deadline of 2020 to decide whether you want to continue as a sanctioned pro club" and gotten the same result? I'm not going to assume what conversations have happened and which haven't happened. We have seen throughout this entire process we arent getting the full story. I will wait to see the final outcome. nolando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I think it might take a last minute miracle for Ottawa to Join CPL for the 2019 season although not impossible! Yes they missed the Got Game Open Trials, The U-Sports Draft and other league announcements as well. But i'm sure the league would want them to come in last minute to help round up the 8 team balanced schedule and ultimately get this over with. It's in the Fury's best interest to not fold and remain playing, the other option is a one year hiatus. Besides agreeing to all terms (Salary Cap, League Structure, Player Rules, Etc Etc) the big one is what happens with staff and players? Do you have to cut them and re-negogiate with them out of scratch? The ownership (Financials), Stadium, and Fanbase is all there, just need to sit down with Clanachan and Beirne face to face and agree once in for all Easiest thing here would be to get that Macron Jersey designed than 2 months then re-plan for Preseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2SKI Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, RS said: I disagree. There doesn't need to be any pain at all. The pain started with Ottawa’s original decision. It really felt like a sucker punch m-g-williams and Bbeto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortdutchcanuck Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: TFC no longer has a team in L1O for this upcoming season; they transferred to some US development league. Interesting. Did not realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 This guys feed (scroll down a bit, can't post a direct link unfortunately) has a poll on if Ottawa Fury should join CPL or fight to stay in USL : https://twitter.com/TMcD1639 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, RS said: So CONCACAF couldn't have just said "It's too late to reasonably pull your sanctioning for 2019, but you have a hard deadline of 2020 to decide whether you want to continue as a sanctioned pro club" and gotten the same result? I think one reason could be player signings in the upcoming window.. Ottawa and CPL will be competing and it will make it easy to choose CPL teams when you aren't even sure if Ottawa will be sanctioned. Edited December 13, 2018 by Keegan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Agree with lots of points here. - The rationale is acceptable. CPL should be aiming around the the level of USL, negating the need for them to be in the USL. I just don't really get the timing. Why not take this line earlier so they could feasibly join the CPL for next season. Not to say they still couldn't (they have an existing roster and operations/experience) but it might be far too much to organize and transition. - Clearly it is different for MLS clubs. It is a much higher standard and will be for at least the next decade or two. Keep those clubs there as Canadians will benefit from that too. - I also understand Ottawa's hold off and wait and see how the league goes approach but they want to have their cake and eat it as much as be cautious. It's two sides of the same coin they could have been (could still) be a huge part of growing and establishing the league instead of waiting and demanding for it to be a success so they can join the bandwagon. - Overall back to my first point, I don't get the timing and the approach is heavy handed and not wonderfully helpful to anyone but I also don't know the full behind the scenes details and maybe this was intimated earlier or there is more to the story? Seems weird the CSA wouldn't push it first, maybe some smart politicking having Concacaf come across the bad guys. Bbeto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, 1996 said: In the end it will ultimately be about the almighty dollar and it always is. Look countries will always have their own national leagues and yes there is something traditional and historic and romantic about every country having their own national leagues. However, the almighty dollar will rule in the end and I think a Super league in Europe is inevitable ... Talk of a Super League has been going on for decades. Decades. You'll grow older and older waiting for it to happen. No one is stopping all the money in the world from putting together a super league in Europe. No one. Go ahead, knock yourself out, spend your money any way you want. Just keep in mind when you're out looking for the skilled labour to build your sports entertainment enterprise around that the Big Dog in the market, FIFA, isn't inclined to, and is within it's rights to, not allowing players/coaches/officials who participating in non sanctioned ventures from participating in sanctioned FIFA ventures, like the EUROs and the World Cup. Otherwise we'd have seen that super league 20+ years ago, yet here we are, still waiting. dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, toontownman said: ... Seems weird the CSA wouldn't push it first, maybe some smart politicking having Concacaf come across the bad guys. ...or it really is all about Victor Montagliani given CanPL was very much his initiative. We'll see what happens if OSEG stand their ground and lawsuits start to be mentioned. toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, JamboAl said: It's already started from some of the comments I've seen on the Ottawa Fury Facebook page. Well there’s some real intelligent conversation going there. /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: ...or it really is all about Victor Montagliani given CanPL was very much his initiative. We'll see what happens if OSEG stand their ground and lawsuits start to be mentioned. I also assume given this involvement, Concacaf are willing to be there if this league falters to help support it should the be forcing clubs in and away from established leagues. It just feels a bit like forcing your kid to do something they don't want to or as a coach or teacher having a player that simply isn't committed, fuck that. It doesn't benefit the CPL, Ottawa or anyone else to have a team that doesn't want to be there. Edit: It's certainly not doing the CPL any favours, plenty of people all over facebook blaming the CPL. Feels like Montagliani only just cleared his desk of paperwork and found the memo saying Ottawa decided they aren't joining CPL. "Oh no Ottawa, that wont do at all, not at all. Feel my Fury." Edited December 13, 2018 by toontownman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What may not have gone down well is a three year contract handed to a Haitian player whose contract was purchased from Pittsburgh recently. That made the USL thing look permanent rather than something to be reevaluated next year. baulderdash77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: What may not have gone down well is a three year contract handed to a Haitian player whose contract was purchased from Pittsburgh recently. That made the USL thing look permanent rather than something to be reevaluated next year. Why would this matter? The Fury own the contract not the USL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protega Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Complete Homer said: While one part of me finds this hilarious, the other part of me is worried the Fury might fold over this. People rich enough to own sports teams don't like to be dictated to, the only way Goudie was going to switch was on his own terms Whatever you think about the Fury for skipping out on CPL, they would be a loss to Canadian soccer As a STH, I do want Fury to join CPL, but would prefer that it is delayed until we know it will be viable. But after this decision (which I'm sure is being driven by the CSA behind the scenes like the weasels they are), I will never watch a CPL game if it turns out CSA's plan is to get rid of the Fury to try and make room for someone else. WheatsheafSK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) Looks like the Fury are going to fight it through legal proceedings: https://ottawasun.com/sports/soccer/mls/ottawa-fury-fc/fury-fc-fighting-for-its-survival-after-concacaf-ruling Edited December 13, 2018 by BringBackTheBlizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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