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44 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Point taken. The whole national champion discussion was irrelevant though. That was my main beef. 

And yes, the blanket statement made was contentious, but it doesn't even matter.

The only reason the national champion talk cropped up was because some poster was arguing that Forge should be placed ahead of the Whitecaps on that basis, which is a completely ridiculous suggestion. Plus it was off topic as this thread has nothing to do with Forge, much less who the national champion of a country is.

That was my context when I said "we are not England, what they do is irrelevant".

....it is irrelevant to the Ottawa, the Voyageurs cup, where Ottawa should enter the tournament and how they would affect the brackets. England has nothing to do with that. It is irrelevant.

I apologize for getting off of topic. That was my mistake. I guess I brought it up because I was still thinking about the Ottawa Fury, and their vacant place as a result of their disbanding, and since we were on the topic of whether or not Ottawa would or should participate in this year's Voyageur's Cup, I vented my frustration about the draw. I will keep that argument for the right thread. I apologize for getting carried away.

 

(I still stand by my point though about Forge getting the bye over Whitecaps, but like I said, I will leave that for the right thread).

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3 hours ago, RS said:

I've said it before on this board, but it's really disheartening to see so many people rushing to devalue our Voyageurs Cup just because the CPL is now active.

The Voyageurs Cup is our national championship. The Impact are holders of the Voyageurs Cup by virtue of winning the Canadian Championship. Full stop.

I don't care how England does it. We aren't England. We're not even most of the rest of the world.

In Canada, we have two leagues that are considered D1, with no crossover between the two except for the Canadian Championship. Therefore, neither league can claim that their team is the national champion. The true national champion is the Voyageurs Cup holder, since all the pro clubs in the country are eligible (and the semi-pro clubs from the two biggest provinces).

Now let's get back to the topic at hand.

He's accurate but this also highlights why changes will eventually be needed.

An MLS team can become Canada's champions by winning at least 3 games out of 6. (No MLS games don't matter here)...worse, TFC could win it last year by winning only 2 games. CPL champions needs to win most of CPL games out of 28 + Championship finals.

Sure MLS is the stronger league but are they stronger to the point that winning 2 to 3 game should dwarfs the CPL champion? That's bad optics and ideally, if we were to use the justification of MLS season, then MLS should advocate to the USSF that those clubs may qualify through the league too.

What message are you broadcasting when Canada's champion only needs 2-3 games? My French cousins were scratching their head and were like "but Hamilton won like over 10 times more games..." 

I get why it was like that but with CPL existing, it will make less and less sense to carry on with the status quo. Best fix is CPL champ to get a CCL berth as well at the very least

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16 minutes ago, Ansem said:

He's accurate but this also highlights why changes will eventually be needed.

An MLS team can become Canada's champions by winning at least 3 games out of 6. (No MLS games don't matter here)...worse, TFC could win it last year by winning only 2 games.

CPL champions needs to win most of CPL games out of 28 + Championship finals.

From that optic...it sucks and that's why I'm hoping that a CCL berth is in the work as part of a CCL revamp which would keep everyone happy.

Ultimately in the future, CPL should be it for CCL berths while V Cup should get CL.

What message are you broadcasting when Canada's champion only needs 2-3 games? My French cousins were scratching their head and were like but Hamilton won like over 10 times more games... I get why it was like that but with CPL existing, it will make less and less sense to carry on with the status quo.

Are you talking about a hypothetical future where all 3 MLS teams are in CPL?  If so, sure... but as long as we have D1 clubs in two separate leagues, the Voyageurs Cup will be the only true championship.  It's not that difficult to understand - this is the one competition to crown the best team in the boundaries of Canada.  Therefore they are the champions until MLS teams are no more (or if for whatever reason they are no longer allowed in the V Cup).  

Essentially, the Voyageurs Cup is the purest sports trophy in North America.  It's not open (yet) but the fact it incorporates all viable leagues is special - it's like what the Stanley Cup was meant to be in it's origins.  We should be expanding it to an open cup in the next 5 or so years I'd imagine.  

It would be cool to expand the tournament and grow the level of CPL to the point where American MLS fans actually cheer on the 3 clubs in the hopes that their league can claim the champion.

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3 hours ago, MtlMario said:

I for one am happy with the name because     A- No need for translation and  B- Obviously the owners want it that way (it makes sense), I don't think they'd want  Ottawa United or Real Ottawa for example. 😁

Out of curiosity, what happens if the team is sold? Do they still keep (allowed) the name Atletico?

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12 minutes ago, MtlMario said:

Out of curiosity, what happens if the team is sold? Do they still keep (allowed) the name Atletico?

No idea what the legalities are, but their former team in India changed their name once Atletico were out of the picture. I would imagine both sides might prefer this.

Part and parcel of the risk when you name a team based upon a "brand", not much different than if the team was named "Ottawa Toyota FC" or something like that.

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3 minutes ago, PaulV said:

No idea what the legalities are, but their former team in India changed their name once Atletico were out of the picture. I would imagine both sides might prefer this.

Part and parcel of the risk when you name a team based upon a "brand", not much different than if the team was named "Ottawa Toyota FC" or something like that.

That's the down side of this name. Imagine changing names after each ownership change.

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5 hours ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

I like that we have the city name and I'm happy with the brand. Excited for a balanced schedule. Does this mean an end to the spring and fall season?

Probably not until they completely flesh out the CPL. Split seasons will make it easier to schedule while the League expands and provides justification for playoffs.

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1 hour ago, Ansem said:

 

Please no. I like JdG, but I want him in an assistant GM role with someone he can learn from. I think he still needs two years under a seasoned GM before he takes over the reins full-time.

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1 hour ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

That would be hilarious if it happens after some of the grief he got on here in recent years for doing no more than toe the corporate line. The reason he will have the inside track is that he has played in La Liga and probably speaks fluent Spanish given his family background.

He doesn't speak Spanish because of the family background don't think, I could be mistaken though. In any case he's not fluent but good. 

I think Atlético might find his pro background in Spain comfortable and may not care about padt BS, I know for sure he's remembered, he was not an anonymous presence in LaLiga. 

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1 hour ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

That would be hilarious if it happens after some of the grief he got on here in recent years for doing no more than toe the corporate line. The reason he will have the inside track is that he has played in La Liga and probably speaks fluent Spanish given his family background.

Jamaican and Filipino? 

If he speaks Spanish, it will be because he played in Spain for four years.

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Just now, SthMelbRed said:

Jamaican and Filipino? 

If he speaks Spanish, it will be because he played in Spain for four years.

Some Filipinos have basic Spanish but many just have the odd words. Do you think they spoke Filipino at home? 

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3 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Some Filipinos have basic Spanish but many just have the odd words. Do you think they spoke Filipino at home? 

In Scarborough, with a Jamaican mother and Filipino father, I just assumed that they spoke English at home, although I'm sure they may have spoken some Tagalog, as well.

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2 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

He doesn't speak Spanish because of the family background don't think, I could be mistaken though. In any case he's not fluent but good....

The Filipinos I have met through soccer in Canada may have been unrepresentative then. Spanish seemed to quickly be the main language when Spanish speaking players were around. The Fury involvement, speaking Spanish well and knowing the soccer cultures of both Canada and Spain inside out should get him on the interview short list.

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CanPL website speculating on which players might be available for Ottawa:

https://canpl.ca/article/6-ottawa-area-ex-fury-players-that-could-sign-with-cpls-new-team

A couple others I thought of off the top of my head that have ties to the Ottawa area or former Fury players that for the most part don't seem to be signed elsewhere at the moment. 

Callum Irving
Jeff Addai
Anthony Legendre
Mallan Roberts
Adonijah Reid
Benson Fazili
Elliot Simmons
Shaan Hundal
Robert Boskovic

 

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14 hours ago, dyslexic nam said:

If nothing else, Atletico Ottawa definitely start Their journey with some buzz surrounding them.  They will be loved by some and hated by others but it is sure as hell going to make things even more interesting this year.  

This would definitely cause some buzz.

I can just see an advertisement for Atletico Ottawa. Think "full heel". They come out, present themselves as "the bad guys" and truly work the angle to be the most hated team by fans of other teams, but a twisted bastion of hope for former Fury fans & people in Ottawa.

It could be a pretty good marketing campaign if they go at it 100%, and JDG would be the right face for that campaign, given remarks previously attributed to him.

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1 hour ago, downtownordinary said:

CanPL website speculating on which players might be available for Ottawa:

https://canpl.ca/article/6-ottawa-area-ex-fury-players-that-could-sign-with-cpls-new-team

 

A couple others I thought of off the top of my head that have ties to the Ottawa area or former Fury players that for the most part don't seem to be signed elsewhere at the moment. 

Callum Irving
Jeff Addai
Anthony Legendre
Mallan Roberts
Adonijah Reid
Benson Fazili
Elliot Simmons
Shaan Hundal
Robert Boskovic

 

Yeah there are some interesting options. I liked Langwa a lot in Halifax, but I know he had some dressing room problems. Maybe a change of scenery could help with attitude. 

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24 minutes ago, Senorpopps said:

Although not Wikipedia official, according to my source, Jeff Addai has just signed for Vaasan Palloseura in Finland.

At least it's in the top flight but I just find this so odd.  I could see this being a good move if it was pre-CPL but the CPL has already moved more players on to better levels than Finland ever has for Canadian players.  I really don't see it being a better stepping stone anymore, especially as CPL games are more in the spotlight and easily accessible to clubs around the world.

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25 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said:

At least it's in the top flight but I just find this so odd.  I could see this being a good move if it was pre-CPL but the CPL has already moved more players on to better levels than Finland ever has for Canadian players.  I really don't see it being a better stepping stone anymore, especially as CPL games are more in the spotlight and easily accessible to clubs around the world.

There are a lot of factors. Maybe no CPL teams were interested. Maybe he was offered more money. Maybe he wanted to live in Finland

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3 hours ago, Rintaran said:

This would definitely cause some buzz.

I can just see an advertisement for Atletico Ottawa. Think "full heel". They come out, present themselves as "the bad guys" and truly work the angle to be the most hated team by fans of other teams, but a twisted bastion of hope for former Fury fans & people in Ottawa.

It could be a pretty good marketing campaign if they go at it 100%, and JDG would be the right face for that campaign, given remarks previously attributed to him.

And here I was thinking Cavalry were going to be the bad guys last year, with their posh stadium and uppity owners, and this BS military reference they were overdoing at the start--then they started playing and they were great to watch, with a sharp-looking shirt, so that was a waste of energy getting all prepped for them.

Normally Ottawa in sports sort of self-destructs, so it is hard to hate anyone full bent on self-immolation.

I honestly do not dislike any teams in CPL, though some of those crappy venues really do bother me, like York9, very unpleasant to watch soccer being played in that spot.

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