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3 hours ago, Cblake said:

It just acknowledging whats the higher level at this moment. Can you honestly tell me that FC Edmonton for instances is any better/different a team in the CPL than it was in the NASL, a D2 league. This country has sort of a D1A/D1B situation. The CPL is a nice little league with great growth potential but it still has a long way to go be anywhere the level of a league that MLS is and there is nothing wrong with that. 

I don't really have a problem with the Whitecaps getting their QF birth over York9 and HFX Wanderers for that reason. Call it MLS favouritism or whatever, but it is what it is. I would feel hard done by it if I were a York or HFX fan, but I don't see how a Forge fan can have any complaints....

Has nothing to do with Forge. They finished last years competition below Whitecaps, York9 and HFX Wanderers. Forge do not deserve to enter this years cup before any of those teams.

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7 hours ago, Obinna said:

I figured they would do that. I don't mind it! 

Athletico Ottawa has more of a ring to it though, if you ask me.

Why write a name wrong in 2 languages?

In any case the h is silent in Spanish so you'd have to pronounce it the same. 

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5 hours ago, dnina10 said:

There already is MLS favouritism. The Whitecaps got a bye over Forge FC. The team who finished bottom of the Western Conference last season in MLS got a bye over the national champions. If that isn't a bias towards the MLS clubs, I don't know what is....🙄

No actually, because all byes in football are based on accumulated past performances, normally over many years. Not the immediate past.

What was embarrassing last Cup was to determine some CPL teams got a bye for historical reasons when all teams were new. That was bogus. 

For me the only team deserving a bye last year was FC EDMONTON. 

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31 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

No actually, because all byes in football are based on accumulated past performances, normally over many years. Not the immediate past.

What was embarrassing last Cup was to determine some CPL teams got a bye for historical reasons when all teams were new. That was bogus. 

For me the only team deserving a bye last year was FC EDMONTON. 

The byes are more based on the comparative level of the leagues than "past performances". That's standard in these FA Cup like competitions. ******** that ANY ONE  team gets a bye right to the semi-finals. Glad TFC lost out actually. 

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13 hours ago, grasshopper1917 said:

I dunno in my view just leave them out for this year. I mean they will have enough on their plate just trying to get things sorted to CPL action. I'm sure they would not be heartbroken to miss the tournament and be able to focus solely on CPL. 

Besides the tournament has been set up fine - why mess with it. 

 

 

Would it be strenuous on any of the league's stakeholders to change the schedule now? If not, please mess with it.

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9 hours ago, Lofty said:

^^ Yes, it adds some variety but not all variety is good. There is nothing Spanish about Ottawa no matter who owns the football team. That name would be a big turn-off for me if I lived there.

While very true, it does have the advantage of not needing to be translated into French and English, unlike many other options. Admittedly part of me was (semi-jokingly) hoping for AtleticO.

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When are those new kits being revealed? I thought they were supposed to be released before Christmas but it's the end of January now and still nothing.

I believe York 9 did tease an All green top with a collar in one of their emails, which will be an Improvement on last year's green kit. IMO, if they are not going to produce an all black kit, the black should be used sparingly on the kits.

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Heard two things from a reliable source (currently 4/5 on rumors)

1) Apparently some of the Fury players who already signed elsewhere are annoyed they didn't wait until the Ottawa announcement. They are still interested in coming back, perhaps next year though or later on this year. (He's pretty certain about this)

2) Some of the Fury players that haven't signed elsewhere have already agreed to come play ... just waiting for a contract to be signed (not as certain since this is coming from two degrees of separation).

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27 minutes ago, Senorpopps said:

Heard two things from a reliable source (currently 4/5 on rumors)

1) Apparently some of the Fury players who already signed elsewhere are annoyed they didn't wait until the Ottawa announcement. They are still interested in coming back, perhaps next year though or later on this year. (He's pretty certain about this)

2) Some of the Fury players that haven't signed elsewhere have already agreed to come play ... just waiting for a contract to be signed (not as certain since this is coming from two degrees of separation).

If they are going to start in early April, then this makes sense.

In fact, we already heard rumours of it.

You can't put together a roster, never mind a competitive one, in so little time, when preseason training starts in a few weeks. A lot of the Canadian quality is signed and they can't just go out and try to outbid for the remainder.

 I sort of hope whoever is managing or coaching has a short list of a possible core of players. 

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10 hours ago, dnina10 said:

There already is MLS favouritism. The Whitecaps got a bye over Forge FC. The team who finished bottom of the Western Conference last season in MLS got a bye over the national champions. If that isn't a bias towards the MLS clubs, I don't know what is....🙄

Forge are not the national champions. The Impact are.

7 hours ago, Obinna said:

I don't really have a problem with the Whitecaps getting their QF birth over York9 and HFX Wanderers for that reason. Call it MLS favouritism or whatever, but it is what it is. I would feel hard done by it if I were a York or HFX fan, but I don't see how a Forge fan can have any complaints....

Has nothing to do with Forge. They finished last years competition below Whitecaps, York9 and HFX Wanderers. Forge do not deserve to enter this years cup before any of those teams.

This is the correct take.

I think going forward the CSA just needs to take the previous year's semifinalists and seed them into the quarters. Everyone else starts in the first round (or earlier, if needed) regardless of what league they come from.

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47 minutes ago, Macksam said:

When are those new kits being revealed? I thought they were supposed to be released before Christmas but it's the end of January now and still nothing.

I believe York 9 did tease an All green top with a collar in one of their emails, which will be an Improvement on last year's green kit. IMO, if they are not going to produce an all black kit, the black should be used sparingly on the kits.

HOPEFULLY it's because they working on having new kit sponsors. I'm not a fan of having the same sponsor on different teams (especially with only 7 teams). On that note , where are companies like Home Hardware, Cdn Tire, Petro Canada and any of the major banks? I think with their billion $ profits every year they can afford it.

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49 minutes ago, RS said:

I think going forward the CSA just needs to take the previous year's semifinalists and seed them into the quarters. Everyone else starts in the first round (or earlier, if needed) regardless of what league they come from.

Not the easiest thing to do with the number of teams though - 8 CPL, 3 MLS, and 2 semi-pro right? So 4 start in the quarters, meaning you need to turn 9 into 4. I guess they could get the 2 semi-pro teams to play each other for a space, but that's pretty meh to me.

An odd number of byes is a lot better, mathematically (at least until BC's semi-pro league gets rolling or if the CPL again has an odd number of teams). So, if you ask me, only the previous winner should get a bye - 14 teams randomly drawn for round 1, then the 7 winners + the previous champion for the quarters.

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1 hour ago, RS said:

Forge are not the national champions. The Impact are.

This is the correct take.

I think going forward the CSA just needs to take the previous year's semifinalists and seed them into the quarters. Everyone else starts in the first round (or earlier, if needed) regardless of what league they come from.

I am not so sure this is something you can just proclaim.  In the 2017-18 season:

Chelsea won the FA CUP.

Man City won the EPL.

Who do you think most viewed as the Champions of England?

And I know the presence of MLS makes it a different equation, but the reality is that the national champion is pretty much universally identified as the winner of the national league - not the governing association's cup competition.  

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1 hour ago, RS said:

Forge are not the national champions. The Impact are.

This is the correct take.

I think going forward the CSA just needs to take the previous year's semifinalists and seed them into the quarters. Everyone else starts in the first round (or earlier, if needed) regardless of what league they come from.

I don't know where you got that information from, but it is definitely wrong. Basically anywhere in the world, the national champions is the team that won the national premier league, not the national cup. Is it a more impressive achievement to win the cup? Depending on the cup, yes. However, do not get confused, as I said it correctly; Forge FC are the national champions.

To the second bolded part, I agree with you. That is what the CSA are trying to do this year. It would have been interesting to see if Ottawa Fury would have gotten the bye over the Whitecaps if they did not fold. They already have the semifinalists in from last year; Toronto FC, Montreal Impact, and Cavalry FC. They wanted to have a fourth team still get a bye, which is okay with me. What I cannot understand is how the Whitecaps got the bye over Forge, and I pointed out why. That, in my opinion, should have been the next tiebreaker. Keep in mind that Forge FC will be competing in the CONCACAF League as well, spending a lot more energy than the Whitecaps will be, as they will only be playing in MLS and the Canadian Championship. That is something else no one has pointed out.

6 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

I am not so sure this is something you can just proclaim.  In the 2017-18 season:

Chelsea won the FA CUP.

Man City won the EPL.

Who do you think most viewed as the Champions of England?

And I know the presence of MLS makes it a different equation, but the reality is that the national champion is pretty much universally identified as the winner of the national league - not the governing association's cup competition.  

Exactly. I was going to say the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. Going back to RS's point, I guess Atalanta FC are the national champions of the US, since they won the US Open Cup last year, even though the Seattle Sounders won MLS. Even if TFC did end up winning MLS, I would still say that the Sounders are the American Champions as they went the furthest of any American team in MLS.

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From a club point of view the champion of England is the Premier League champion hands down. The champion of Europe is the winner of UEFA Champions League and the champion of the world is the winner the FIFA Club World Cup. 

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3 minutes ago, dnina10 said:

I don't know where you got that information from, but it is definitely wrong. Basically anywhere in the world, the national champions is the team that won the national premier league, not the national cup...

Anywhere else in the world doesn't have members of the national association playing in the D1 league of a neighbouring country. For that reason, the Canadian Championship is the premier club competition in a Canadian context and is used to determine the Canadian entry for the CONCACAF Champions League.

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3 minutes ago, dnina10 said:

I don't know where you got that information from, but it is definitely wrong. Basically anywhere in the world, the national champions is the team that won the national premier league, not the national cup. Is it a more impressive achievement to win the cup? Depending on the cup, yes. However, do not get confused, as I said it correctly; Forge FC are the national champions.

To the second bolded part, I agree with you. That is what the CSA are trying to do this year. It would have been interesting to see if Ottawa Fury would have gotten the bye over the Whitecaps if they did not fold. They already have the semifinalists in from last year; Toronto FC, Montreal Impact, and Cavalry FC. They wanted to have a fourth team still get a bye, which is okay with me. What I cannot understand is how the Whitecaps got the bye over Forge, and I pointed out why. That, in my opinion, should have been the next tiebreaker. Keep in mind that Forge FC will be competing in the CONCACAF League as well, spending a lot more energy than the Whitecaps will be, as they will only be playing in MLS and the Canadian Championship. That is something else no one has pointed out.

Exactly. I was going to say the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. Going back to RS's point, I guess Atalanta FC are the national champions of the US, since they won the US Open Cup last year, even though the Seattle Sounders won MLS. Even if TFC did end up winning MLS, I would still say that the Sounders are the American Champions as they went the furthest of any American team in MLS.

I would have liked to have seen the CONCACAF League spot gone to the runner up of the V Cup but I get why they did it the way they did.I like using the league standings better than the results of such a small sample size that are the results of the previous year's tournament. It is interesting to see how the US Open Cup is being setup this year. For the first time the MLS teams are entering at the different stages due to MLS expansion. 

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9 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Anywhere else in the world doesn't have members of the national association playing in the D1 league of a neighbouring country. For that reason, the Canadian Championship is the premier club competition in a Canadian context and is used to determine the Canadian entry for the CONCACAF Champions League.

He's right (unfortunately)*.  This isn't really up for debate so long as there is no connection between CPL/MLS.  And it's awesome - we are the only country in the world to do it this way as far as I know.  That makes OUR competition special and it should be embraced.

*Note: This will not stop me from parading a "Forge FC - Champions of Canada" banner into BMO field should they meet in the final.

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53 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

I am not so sure this is something you can just proclaim.  In the 2017-18 season:

Chelsea won the FA CUP.

Man City won the EPL.

Who do you think most viewed as the Champions of England?

And I know the presence of MLS makes it a different equation, but the reality is that the national champion is pretty much universally identified as the winner of the national league - not the governing association's cup competition.  

We are not England. This is completely irrelevant.

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41 minutes ago, dnina10 said:

I don't know where you got that information from, but it is definitely wrong. Basically anywhere in the world, the national champions is the team that won the national premier league, not the national cup. Is it a more impressive achievement to win the cup? Depending on the cup, yes. However, do not get confused, as I said it correctly; Forge FC are the national champions.

To the second bolded part, I agree with you. That is what the CSA are trying to do this year. It would have been interesting to see if Ottawa Fury would have gotten the bye over the Whitecaps if they did not fold. They already have the semifinalists in from last year; Toronto FC, Montreal Impact, and Cavalry FC. They wanted to have a fourth team still get a bye, which is okay with me. What I cannot understand is how the Whitecaps got the bye over Forge, and I pointed out why. That, in my opinion, should have been the next tiebreaker. Keep in mind that Forge FC will be competing in the CONCACAF League as well, spending a lot more energy than the Whitecaps will be, as they will only be playing in MLS and the Canadian Championship. That is something else no one has pointed out.

Exactly. I was going to say the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. Going back to RS's point, I guess Atalanta FC are the national champions of the US, since they won the US Open Cup last year, even though the Seattle Sounders won MLS. Even if TFC did end up winning MLS, I would still say that the Sounders are the American Champions as they went the furthest of any American team in MLS.

Seriously? You cannot understand that?

Forge finished below the Whitecaps last year. End of story.

And yes if Ottawa didn't fold they should have been given the bye, but they did.

If you have an axe to grind about York9 or HFX, fair enough. Forge do not belong in this convo at all.

Matter fact, the Cup was only brought up due to Ottawa's possible participation. That spurred a conversation into where they'd fit, which is still on-topic.

All this who is national champion nonsense doesn't belong in this thread.

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3 minutes ago, gator said:

I was agreeing with Rudi but @dyslexic nam and @dnina10 have valid points, the Champion of our domestic league (Forge) are the Canadian Champions and Impact are Cup holders if you look at it that way, of course this is open to debate but Impact did not win our league!

Yes Forge are national Champions and Impact are national cup winners. We get it.

None of that matters. Forge still belong below the Whitecaps for this tournament (and York9 and HFX, to be fair).

This national champion talk is muddying the waters unnecessarily.

We were talking about where Ottawa fits into the Cup, if they were to participate....

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