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I love it here because we can be zealots together, worship the people we love and demonize the people we hate. But this is just for fun, tongue in cheek. Somewhere in the "real world" which is increasingly online, we as a human race seem to have lost the plot and prefer outrage and lifetime bans over second chances. I'm not sure, but I think second chances are the sign of strength in a culture.

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The issue isn't second chances - it's who gets them and what they get them for.

AS for JdG, I don't find his comment about Bekker all that offensive. I would have said similar before CPL season started.

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52 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

So some random poster on a CPL forum claims he said this. I don’t see direct quotes. Whether he said it or not, move on. 
Only thing that matters is he cares about the growth of the game in Canada and can bring more to the table than most. 

Actually it was TSN's Fury analyst Graeme Ivory:

 

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1 hour ago, Ottawafan said:

So some random poster on a CPL forum claims he said this. I don’t see direct quotes. Whether he said it or not, move on. 
Only thing that matters is he cares about the growth of the game in Canada and can bring more to the table than most. 

You keep on harping that anyone critical should move on, move on. But it's Ottawa that has moved on, don't you realise. The CPL is alive and kicking and in the same place it was last year. So you are reading the situation backwards. It is OSEG that was forced to move on--and maybe Julian de Guzman. 

By the way, there is no evidence he cares more about the growth of the game than any other former national team player. As for him being able to bring more to the table than most:  what do you mean, most forklift drivers? 

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2 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

Was he not a former employee at that point?  And aren’t those his quotes, and not JDG?

That's Graeme Ivory reporting on the Fury media conference in February 2019. It's unlikely that Ivory would have been invited to a media conference if he was, at the time, not a member of the media. It's also unlikely that he would have made **** up as you seem to be implying - he is/was very much pro-Fury and not a fan of the push to get them in CPL. I mean, just read his pinned tweet, where he specifically thanks Julian De Guzman, among others.

 

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1 minute ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

You keep on harping that anyone critical should move on, move on. But it's Ottawa that has moved on, don't you realise. the CPL is alive and kicking and in the same place it was last year. So you are reading the situation backwards. It is OSEG that was forced to move one--and maybe Julian de Guzman. 

By the way, there is no evidence he cares more about the growth of the game than any other former national team player. As for what he could bring to the table: you mean most forklift drivers I suppose.

My point is if the new club wants to hire him he’s more than qualified. But a couple Internet fan boys are attributing quotes to JDG that in their opinion disqualifies him from any coaching position. Let it go, there’s no real proof he said anything negative about the CPL. 

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2 minutes ago, Viruk42 said:

That's Graeme Ivory reporting on the Fury media conference in February 2019. It's unlikely that Ivory would have been invited to a media conference if he was, at the time, not a member of the media. It's also unlikely that he would have made **** up as you seem to be implying - he is/was very much pro-Fury and not a fan of the push to get them in CPL. I mean, just read his pinned tweet, where he specifically thanks Julian De Guzman, among others.

 

He worked for the team and also worked on TSN 1200 doing a soccer show and did the games on the radio ( both CC and calling ).  Again he seems to be offering his opinion here; don’t see him attaching it to JDG. 

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1 minute ago, Ottawafan said:

He worked for the team and also worked on TSN 1200 doing a soccer show and did the games on the radio ( both CC and calling ).  Again he seems to be offering his opinion here; don’t see him attaching it to JDG. 

FFS, take off your blinders dude. A pro-JDG and pro-Fury journalist tweets that the team didn't want anyone in the CPL besides Bekker and you're claiming it's his opinion and only his opinion? Complete and utter bull and you know it.

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1 hour ago, Ottawafan said:

So some random poster on a CPL forum claims he said this. I don’t see direct quotes. Whether he said it or not, move on. 
Only thing that matters is he cares about the growth of the game in Canada and can bring more to the table than most. 

So for what reason must he work for the Ottawa CPL club?

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2 minutes ago, Viruk42 said:

FFS, take off your blinders dude. A pro-JDG and pro-Fury journalist tweets that the team didn't want anyone in the CPL besides Bekker and you're claiming it's his opinion and only his opinion? Complete and utter bull and you know it.

If you say so.

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1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said:

So for what reason must he work for the Ottawa CPL club?

I’m not saying they have to. They will run a search and see who they feel fits best going forward. 

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1 minute ago, Ottawafan said:

I’m not saying they have to. They will run a search and see who they feel fits best going forward. 

So then what's your problem with people not wanting him to work for the new club?

You keep telling people to move on but you're the one who keeps telling people their opinions are wrong.

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5 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

So then what's your problem with people not wanting him to work for the new club?

You keep telling people to move on but you're the one who keeps telling people their opinions are wrong.

All I said was he should be a candidate. That’s when people freaked out, pinning the same old rumours on him that disqualifies him for some reason. Still waiting for someone to prove their opinions right. 

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40 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

All I said was he should be a candidate.

Hahaha... No you didn't.

 

40 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

All I said was he should be a candidate. That’s when people freaked out, pinning the same old rumours on him that disqualifies him for some reason. 

Responding to you after they've been told they're wrong is "freaking out." Right.

There's a host of reasons why JdG shouldn't be employed by the new club, the quotes are one of them. Can you prove he didn't say them? No. Can anyone here prove he did say them? No. But we do have credible media people reporting that he, or at the very least someone from the organization he held a leadership role with, did say them and other very destructive things about the CPL and that automatically disqualifies him for many. You don't agree because you feel that his contributions to Canadian soccer outweigh any of those arguments. As an avid lifelong Canada supporter I can't honestly point to anything JdG has done post playing career as great for the development of the game in Canada so please enlighten us.

Bottom line is, Jeff Hunt and AM will decide if they should employ him. My bet is they won't. There's a reason why Jeff Hunt was chosen as the local partner in this venture and not John Pugh. And there's a reason why Jeff Hunt divested himself of the Fury in 2018.

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How many people even know about JDG's comment outside of this board and the CPL subreddit? I suspect the number is minuscule, and the number of people who care is even less.

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Rollins said that JDG was "the most anti-CPL voice in the room".  I didnt want to believe it at the time, and I am a big fan of JDG, but to say all of this is made up is a little silly.  

But it doesnt matter, Atletico will do what they want..but it seems strange to me that they would just keep the front office of the old club.  

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1 hour ago, Ottawafan said:

All I said was he should be a candidate.

Says who? you? What's your qualification? I'd like to think that Atletico knows better than you who's the right fit.

1 hour ago, Ottawafan said:

That’s when people freaked out, pinning the same old rumours on him that disqualifies him for some reason. Still waiting for someone to prove their opinions right. 

Like I said earlier, even with those MLS loans he sh-t the bed as a GM. How many championships again? How many time did he led them to eliminate an MLS team? I recall them getting thrashed by TFC B/C team.

That's enough reason to disqualify him as GM/coach

Mentor to young players? Now this is where people would mostly agree with you. Personally, he should be doing that at the CSA for youth players and mentor them. That's where he's most valuable for Canadian soccer. Let go of this obsession with JDG being in a top job in CPL

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2 hours ago, Ottawafan said:

Was he not a former employee at that point?  And aren’t those his quotes, and not JDG?

As pointed out, this was Ivory live tweeting the JdG and Popovic press conference so those quotes are attributable to him or a guy who reported directly to him. And if it was Popovic who said it, JdG didn't correct him. And Ivory, who has a very good understanding of the organization, didn't feel the need to distinguish between who exactly said it. Although I'm sure it would be easy to find video of the press conference and confirm.

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1 hour ago, RS said:

How many people even know about JDG's comment outside of this board and the CPL subreddit? I suspect the number is minuscule, and the number of people who care is even less.

No fire without smoke?

I listened to the press conference on the Fury folding and when they commented on CPL and said they "were being held for ransom"... you can understand why more people are leaning towards JDG saying those quotes than not. Also, all of the Fury surrogates going on social media and putting down the league wasn't fiction... it happened

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18 hours ago, Ottawafan said:

https://northerntribune.ca/de-guzman-on-canadian-premier-league/
 

https://ottawacitizen.com/sports/soccer/is-ottawas-pro-soccer-future-with-the-canadian-premier-league


I’ve seen reports on twitter from people who’ve made the claim he’s ripped the CPL, and maybe he has, but I’ve not seen them from a reputable source. 

There was another article on the Fury website, I went to look for it but all the content has been removed.

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1 hour ago, Ansem said:

No fire without smoke?

I listened to the press conference on the Fury folding and when they commented on CPL and said they "were being held for ransom"... you can understand why more people are leaning towards JDG saying those quotes than not. Also, all of the Fury surrogates going on social media and putting down the league wasn't fiction... it happened

The fact is that none of that will matter if JDG is hired. I doubt he will be, if only because Atleti has a huge network and can easily find someone internally for the role.

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