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1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

The entire board speculates on things we know nothing about, and has for decades. So basically you are calling all of us dickheads. Including yourself. Good show.

He's not far from the truth though 😛

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2 minutes ago, toontownman said:

He's not far from the truth though 😛

I'm totally in favour of the speculation, since it is fun. What was good about the whole Atletico Madrid case is that we would never have guessed. Except for that one post, after the fact, when someone said he knew that AM people were in Ottawa six weeks ago. Why didn't that guy tell us then?

 

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5 hours ago, SthMelbRed said:

So this is the time when it's inappropriate to speculate on something that we know nothing about? Mate, have you seen your posting history?

*can someone whom he hasn't put on ignore please quote this so the dickhead might see this. 😉 

I'm pretty sure he's put everyone on ignore and is merely conversating with himself but I'm sure having said that I'll be banned by one of the administrators again for violating his free speech rights. Oh well 🖕

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33 minutes ago, Cheeta said:

I'm not a dickhead and resent anyone who refers to me as one.

 

 

 

I identify as a twat.

It was presumptuous at best from me. My apologies. Everyone of course has the right to identify as they wish.. f****ng dickhead 😛 

 

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3 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

I'm totally in favour of the speculation, since it is fun. What was good about the whole Atletico Madrid case is that we would never have guessed. Except for that one post, after the fact, when someone said he knew that AM people were in Ottawa six weeks ago. Why didn't that guy tell us then?

Without wanting to give myself too much credit (partially because I was very much grasping at straws), I did actually suggest Atletico twice 😛 (after the 'unnamed Euro team coming to Ottawa' rumours really picked up of course, I definitely would not have guessed that a month ago) 

On 1/13/2020 at 6:59 PM, Viruk42 said:

I'm wondering if it's Atletico Madrid? They're already part owners of Atletico San Luis in Mexico and previously were part owners of RC Lens in France and Atletico de Kolkata in India - having said that, the fact that they no longer own two foreign teams does suggest they may not be interested in owning others / may not be the best owners to have....

On 1/15/2020 at 1:34 PM, Viruk42 said:

Ya, I've seen Lim and Valencia mentioned online. I'm still wondering about Atletico Madrid, since they part-own a Mexican side and have previously part-owned Indian and French teams.

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11 minutes ago, Viruk42 said:

Without wanting to give myself too much credit (partially because I was very much grasping at straws), I did actually suggest Atletico twice 😛 (after the 'unnamed Euro team coming to Ottawa' rumours really picked up of course, I definitely would not have guessed that a month ago) 

Well then you nailed it and I missed it, but good show. I'm impressed. 

Now we have to come up with a new question: could At Madrid have paid something to OSEG for them to pull out of Fury, abandon the USL deal and leave a clean path for the new owners to step in? Or put down some kind of guarantee early on, which would explain why so many players are still available?

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Am I excited about this potential development? Yes.

Am I refusing to get my hopes up after having been burnt? Definitely.

My two cents: With every passing week, I ask myself if there is still enough time. I am pretty concerned about a botched new launch. I want professional soccer in Ottawa now, but I also want something that works.

I do not like the idea of jumping-in halfway through the season. Frankly, suppose a team joins only for the Fall, and ends up winning the championship (wtv form that takes next year)? Why even play a Spring season then. Full season or nothing IMO.

Finally, re: name. I think someone mentioned it at some point, but considering it's unlikely that the team would not have something that references Atleti pretty strongly, I actually do enjoy AtleticOttawa. Would also kinda fit the CPL mantra of slightly funky names.

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26 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Well then you nailed it and I missed it, but good show. I'm impressed. 

Now we have to come up with a new question: could At Madrid have paid something to OSEG for them to pull out of Fury, abandon the USL deal and leave a clean path for the new owners to step in? Or put down some kind of guarantee early on, which would explain why so many players are still available?

A rumour I saw on Twitter is that Athletico first visited the City in mid November. The Fury announced they were calling it quits around November 8. 

CONCACAF claims that Fury didn't properly fill out the forms for their sanctioning. Could form a nice conspiracy theory from that alone. 

The sale of the Fury USL rights to Miami FC happened in December. Figure by then they had to know what was happening. 

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I don't think that we can underestimate the role of Julian de Guzmán, if that is the case. Here is a guy who will want to keep his job, for one, has strong Spain connections (he was a high enough profile player, people know who he was), and might be involved in ensuring a transition. Including not releasing players or at least retaining them. 

But I still wonder if they put money down or signed pre-contracts to ensure all this. Or if OSEG got paid to ensure rights to the stadium, to the club infrastructure. 

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42 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

don't think that we can underestimate the role of Julian de Guzmán,

Hope he is involved. He is someone that has so much to offer and should be involved in the continued growth of the CPL and Canadian soccer as he did as a player and after he retired . Plus now Escalante looks to be gone the league needs a villain. 

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1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

But I still wonder if they put money down or signed pre-contracts to ensure all this. Or if OSEG got paid to ensure rights to the stadium, to the club infrastructure. 

From my standpoint, I see this as being a no-brainer if there is a soccer team wanting to rent TD Place. OSEG needs all the revenue it can get, and if they get the 67s, RedBlacks, BlackJacks, and Ottawa Athlétique, they might just start breaking even.

That said, I'm not getting my hypes up until someone officially announces a team. Once burned, twice shy and all that.

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On 1/18/2020 at 4:01 PM, Initial B said:

This is exactly what happened with Rayo OKC. The Spanish club got relegated, had a turnover in upper management, and they decided to retrench and cut OKC adrift. As much as I want soccer in Ottawa, I'm worried about this eventuality.

It is a concern, but Rayo OKC also entered a market with an established pro team already and had to compete for fans with them which turned out poorly. They were getting roughly 1300 paid attendance  in a league that averaged around 5K approximately, and the other team in town averaged over 4K, so this was also a big factor in Rayo Vallecano pulling out of that market.

No competing pro soccer team in Ottawa, and I expect them to largely retain if not increase from the fan base the now defunct Fury had.

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6 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

I'm totally in favour of the speculation, since it is fun. What was good about the whole Atletico Madrid case is that we would never have guessed. Except for that one post, after the fact, when someone said he knew that AM people were in Ottawa six weeks ago. Why didn't that guy tell us then?

 

I alluded to it in a post on December 5th and again on the 13th. Knew before those dates about the club ( AM ) and their intention to put a team together for this season.  Also talked about it on the 29th and a couple days later. Wasn’t at liberty to divulge anything else. 

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Really hope JDG is involved with the new team. Canadian soccer needs him involved; he cares about the growth of the game in this country. He’s not just looking for a paycheque as he truly care about growing soccer for Canadians. 

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14 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

Really hope JDG is involved with the new team. Canadian soccer needs him involved; he cares about the growth of the game in this country. He’s not just looking for a paycheque as he truly care about growing soccer for Canadians. 

I hope the baloney with JDG from last year doesnt keep him out of the league.  IF, he said and did what was reported that the CPL can put it behind them and move on and have a better league with him involved.  

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50 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

Really hope JDG is involved with the new team. Canadian soccer needs him involved; he cares about the growth of the game in this country. He’s not just looking for a paycheque as he truly care about growing soccer for Canadians. 

If he's involved...whatever. But I don't think there's any truth in the bolded statement. He's no more required than any other former player. Take him, or leave him...no difference.

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1 hour ago, SthMelbRed said:

If he's involved...whatever. But I don't think there's any truth in the bolded statement. He's no more required than any other former player. Take him, or leave him...no difference.

I agree.  If any former international were needed, it would be Bunbury.  Rather than panning the league and sounding as if he'd like to run the entire thing over with a steamroller like De Guzman, Bumblebee's been very enthusiastic, despite being a bit ...how shall I say, 'flighty.' 

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https://www.ledroit.com/sports/lequipe-dottawa-dans-la-cpl-serait-liee-a-latletico-de-madrid-e6dba828cd9a40d659a9d47af318f999

... « Je fais l’annonce du retour du soccer aujourd’hui, mais nous travaillons le dossier depuis des mois. Le club européen a déjà identifié les joueurs qui viendront jouer à Ottawa et nous avons encore plusieurs joueurs locaux qui peuvent être mis sous contrat afin de compléter notre contenu canadien », a ajouté Jeff Hunt.

Dans un échange de textos avec Le Droit, le Gatinois Maxim Tissot a notamment indiqué qu’il n’avait pas encore signé de nouvelle entente pour 2020 et qu’il avait de l’intérêt à jouer avec l’équipe de sa région. Antoine Coupland, de Chelsea, pourrait aussi revenir tout comme les joueurs canadiens Callum Irving, Jamar Dixon, Thomas Meilleur-Giguère et Nana Attakora...

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9 hours ago, SthMelbRed said:

If he's involved...whatever. But I don't think there's any truth in the bolded statement. He's no more required than any other former player. Take him, or leave him...no difference.

I seriously doubt Atlético Madrid would agree with you.

If they have already been in Ottawa and spoken to people, the one person they would recognize would be Julian, who also happens to speak Spanish, know the Spanish league better than any other player, even have insights into Atletico. I would imagine he was a selling point, although of course the team could work with someone else, and you are right to say another could also do a good job. But maybe not on such short term notice.

As for another's suggestion about Bunbury--he has great enthusiasm, but has no hands on, day-to-day experience. Julian does.

I would even argue that the club loyalty JdG showed to Fury last year, which was a bit obnoxious and even insulting in some details,  could be seen as a virtue in this context.

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3 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

I seriously doubt Atlético Madrid would agree with you.

If they have already been in Ottawa and spoken to people, the one person they would recognize would be Julian, who also happens to speak Spanish, know the Spanish league better than any other player, even have insights into Atletico. I would imagine he was a selling point, although of course the team could work with someone else, and you are right to say another could also do a good job. But maybe not on such short term notice.

As for another's suggestion about Bunbury--he has great enthusiasm, but has no hands on, day-to-day experience. Julian does.

I would even argue that the club loyalty JdG showed to Fury last year, which was a bit obnoxious and even insulting in some details,  could be seen as a virtue in this context.

Anyone who is opposed to JDG being part of soccer in this country doesn’t know what they are talking about. He is exactly what this country needs more of. 

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