mtlsab Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, deschamp86 said: Canadians that are left as far as I know: Irving, TMG (rumoured to have already signed with CPL team, would be a huge surprise if that ended up being Ottawa), Attakora, Dixon, Tissot, Boskovic (TFC loan), Monsalve, Mutambala, Coupland, Shaw, Vilfort. That does not look like a particularly strong base with a lot of other FA Canadians already signed and with them missing the draft There is a lot of Canadian available that are not being renewed by other CanPL sides (Roberts, Simons and co). There is also plenty of players from L1O, PLSQ and Canadian clubs in USL L2 that would accept Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, mtlsab said: There is a lot of Canadian available that are not being renewed by other CanPL sides (Roberts, Simons and co). There is also plenty of players from L1O, PLSQ and Canadian clubs in USL L2 that would accept Sure. There are enough Canadian players around to fill a squad. Will it be terrible based on the standards set last year if it is rushed out this year? Very likely. Is it better in the long term to rush out a product this year? If the team is terrible will casual fans return? Its a lot of speculation for sure, but I don't think it is worth it. I think having a year to build up and get people excited would be valuable m-g-williams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HfxCeltic Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I'll hop in my car and drive to Ottawa again this year if they start up for 2020. That's like....3 or 4 tickets for one game. Good Start. Winnipeg Fury, Andrew W and Viruk42 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Edit: don’t know why that won’t embed. Rollins confirms the rumours, says the deadline to get it done is Jan 31, no more leaks as the league has locked this down, schedule delayed because of this, Ottawa club may be out of the V Cup for this season. Edit2: got it to embed. Details in follow up tweets. Edited January 15, 2020 by BuzzAndSting T_Bison, CANMNT_SUPERFAN and ray 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlsab Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, deschamp86 said: Sure. There are enough Canadian players around to fill a squad. Will it be terrible based on the standards set last year if it is rushed out this year? Very likely. Is it better in the long term to rush out a product this year? If the team is terrible will casual fans return? Its a lot of speculation for sure, but I don't think it is worth it. I think having a year to build up and get people excited would be valuable It can also kill the momentum. A lot of fans in Ottawa need a team to feed their hunger! Winnipeg Fury and Shway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Zem said: I think everyone will be very happy about it, but a lot of bridges have been burned at this point and I doubt many people on both sides will be willing to let it go right away (certainly not if Ottawa soccer Twitter is any indication). You mean stuff like this? Cheeta and kmacphee 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viruk42 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 While the team may struggle, there are definitely Canadian players available - just among those with 25+ caps for CPL teams last season there's Arnone, Skublak, Bustos, B. Zebie, Fisk, and Pasquotti (as far as I can tell), along with ~30 players with 10-24 caps (admittedly it's hard to know how many will return to their team from last season, particularly the 11 from Valour). 59 minutes ago, deschamp86 said: Canadians that are left as far as I know: Irving, TMG (rumoured to have already signed with CPL team, would be a huge surprise if that ended up being Ottawa), Attakora, Dixon, Tissot, Boskovic (TFC loan), Monsalve, Mutambala, Coupland, Shaw, Vilfort. That does not look like a particularly strong base with a lot of other FA Canadians already signed and with them missing the draft This is fair, but there seem to only be 4 ex-Fury Canadians that have signed elsewhere (Gagnon-Lapare, Haworth, Mannella, and Daniels), so the strength of available players is perhaps more a condemnation of the Fury's lack of Canadian talent (at least in 2019)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viruk42 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: You mean stuff like this? FuryFanAbove is an egotistical prick and one of the few positives I found in the death of the Fury. deschamp86, BuzzAndSting and Red and White 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Zem said: I think everyone will be very happy about it, but a lot of bridges have been burned at this point and I doubt many people on both sides will be willing to let it go right away (certainly not if Ottawa soccer Twitter is any indication). I am curious about the burned bridges. I get that OSEG and CPL leadership are no longer exchanging Christmas cards, but would that really prohibit this sort of development? OSEG wants paying tenants and revenue for TD Place. Would they be willing to give up a solid revenue stream to spite the CPL? I can't see it. Some Fury fans hold a grudge against CPL and see it (rightly or wrongly) as the cause of the Fury's demise. Would they - or at least a large number of them - be so annoyed as to boycott a local pro team playing in a Canadian league? Again, I can't see it - at least not for any great length of time. MtlMario, Rattler280 and ted 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Business is business. OSEG has a responsibility to bring in revenue to that facility PaulV, Shway and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Wouldn't shock me if OSEG has a stake in this new team. They have a stake in the new baseball team which supposed people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viruk42 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: Some Fury fans hold a grudge against CPL and see it (rightly or wrongly) as the cause of the Fury's demise. Would they - or at least a large number of them - be so annoyed as to boycott a local pro team playing in a Canadian league? Again, I can't see it - at least not for any great length of time. I would guess that the number of Fury fans who boycott an Ottawa-CPL team would be roughly similar to the number of Ottawa-CPL fans who boycotted the Fury, though I have no basis for that assumption outside of my own feelings on the issue. deschamp86 and h coach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Rintaran said: Probably not for this year. Ottawa may be deemed ineligible this year as it was not an existing club at the end of 2019 (or some other excuse).... They would need to be added into membership at the CSA AGM in early May as a new club, which would complicate the league schedule a bit but shouldn't be an insuperable obstacle as it would probably only delay their start by a couple of weeks. That is, unless OSEG still holds a CSA membership for the Fury and could sell it to the hypothesized RSD Espanyol investors or the CSA holds a special general meeting. If all the info has been accurate it kind of begs the question as to whether there is a reason why CanPL would benefit greatly from having an eighth team in 2020, because otherwise why not just wait for 2021 and do it properly? CANMNT_SUPERFAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Rintaran said: Probably not for this year. Ottawa may be deemed ineligible this year as it was not an existing club at the end of 2019 (or some other excuse). Rollins seems to be of that opinion, and has given us a firm end-date: Was what I was thinking, would be hard to go back now and I think fair enough. 43 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: I am curious about the burned bridges. I get that OSEG and CPL leadership are no longer exchanging Christmas cards, but would that really prohibit this sort of development? OSEG wants paying tenants and revenue for TD Place. Would they be willing to give up a solid revenue stream to spite the CPL? I can't see it. Some Fury fans hold a grudge against CPL and see it (rightly or wrongly) as the cause of the Fury's demise. Would they - or at least a large number of them - be so annoyed as to boycott a local pro team playing in a Canadian league? Again, I can't see it - at least not for any great length of time. Obviously there are people still upset on both sides but I would say the majority of Fury Fans would likely jump into this. Seemed the Majority of Fury fans were behind the move before this mess. There will of course be hardcores that will take convincing or will point blank refuse. It is like everything else in life, once people can put their egos aside and do whats best collectively things can prosper. There will always be a hardcore element of skeptics and naysayers. People that will tear things down whatever. Half of those people will also likely attend anyway and still bitch about it. It is the same in setting up this league. There are football snobs that have no interest in it because its low level and not the EPL. You can lead a horse to water.. etc.. piss in the water in case it does drink it. etc. I think enough people would get behind it. It is up to the league and us fans to keep growing and improving to draw in more and more of those naysayers and also those people that still don't even know it exists. h coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowsweatygorilla Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Zem said: I think everyone will be very happy about it, but a lot of bridges have been burned at this point and I doubt many people on both sides will be willing to let it go right away (certainly not if Ottawa soccer Twitter is any indication). I think AJ being so positive about this (someone who was a vehement critic of CanPL) is a good indicator that people are willing to bury the hatchet when interests align. CDNFootballer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulV Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) One advantage to playing this year might be around public perception around the viability of sports teams in Ottawa. People here are pretty jaded about the industry having lost so many teams in so many sports and with others that still exist, like the Senators, struggling. The current CPL rumours have been posted online and there are already lots of snarky comments from locals about how long this team will last before going under like all the others. If they wait a year, and introduce the team with completely new branding, it could appear to many outside of the hardcore fans that this is just another in a long line of futile attempts at minor league sports teams. It might not help people commit emotionally and financially to the team (outside of the hardcore fans). If they played this year and happened to keep the Fury branding, it might send a better message that this team is viable, it just ran into sanctioning issues but things have been sorted out with new owners and business is continuing. Edited January 15, 2020 by PaulV typo toontownman and Bbeto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, PaulV said: If they played this year and happened to keep the Fury branding, it might send a better message that this team is viable, it just ran into sanctioning issues but things have been sorted out with new owners and business is continuing. I think the Fury brand has to die. I've heard far too much negativity around Ottawa. And that's without really being part of the soccer community here Viruk42, CDNFootballer, ray and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, dyslexic nam said: Some Fury fans hold a grudge against CPL and see it (rightly or wrongly) as the cause of the Fury's demise. Would they - or at least a large number of them - be so annoyed as to boycott a local pro team playing in a Canadian league? Again, I can't see it - at least not for any great length of time. No, definitely not; my point was just that I can see a lot of people not getting along in the supporters' section. I'm sure people will get over it eventually and I don't think it'll affect the new club's success, but plenty of vitriol is still being thrown around over it. Edited January 15, 2020 by Zem toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Personally hoping for a 2020 launch. The CPL won't launch this season unless they think they can make it work. We are just catching wind of this, but behind the scenes there has no doubt been preparations unfolding for months. Can't wait to bring my Valour family on a road trip to our nations capital ! MtlMario, Shway, BuzzAndSting and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Winnipeg Fury said: Personally hoping for a 2020 launch. The CPL won't launch this season unless they think they can make it work. We are just catching wind of this, but behind the scenes there has no doubt been preparations unfolding for months. Can't wait to bring my Valour family on a road trip to our nations capital ! My turn to return the hospitality; and tickets would be on me. Winnipeg Fury 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Viruk42 said: I would guess that the number of Fury fans who boycott an Ottawa-CPL team would be roughly similar to the number of Ottawa-CPL fans who boycotted the Fury, though I have no basis for that assumption outside of my own feelings on the issue. I'm going to guess that number would be less than 5. And the supporters section was already somewhat divided before the whole CPL thing existed (for some good reasons and some stupid ones IMO). Hopefully this will be a fresh start for everyone. Edited January 15, 2020 by JamboAl Red and White, Sébastien, gator and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmPappy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, Winnipeg Fury said: Personally hoping for a 2020 launch. The CPL won't launch this season unless they think they can make it work. We are just catching wind of this, but behind the scenes there has no doubt been preparations unfolding for months. Can't wait to bring my Valour family on a road trip to our nations capital ! Agreed that background preparation has probably been happening, but even if this is out-of-the-blue, there is plenty of time to enter the Fall 2020 season as a ‘showcase’ team. Jut seems like a looooong time till 2021. Winnipeg Fury and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viruk42 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 o.O ray, Bbeto, Kadenge and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 "Much bigger" than Espanyol only leaves you with 2/3 options really... if done right it could be one of the best developmental clubs in North America. johnyb and Kadenge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Well Valour only has 4-5 guys under contract, a new Ottawa club wouldnt be very far behind them. And to think of it, they probably have more guys waiting around in Ottawa to sign with the new club....they'll be further along than Winnipeg in a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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