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2 hours ago, Cblake said:

So how is the PCSL allowed to operate with teams in both Canada and the US?

Yeah, I think it's been at least a decade since the PCSL had US teams. They still could as there is no D3 currently in BC which is why the Highlanders and Rovers play in the USL system.

That might change BTW, see this topic: BC Soccer aiming to launch "Regional Tier 3 League"

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2 hours ago, grasshopper1917 said:

I can agree with that. There is no chance Fury could ever 'take down' FIFA. However a lawsuit and PR campaign could make things uncomfortable for Concacaf. 

Im not sure how many millions OSEG controls they run a CFL team and a Jr. Hockey team. Point is Fury was a professional team with millions invested - how can some FIFA tell them where they can play? ...

CONCACAF sanctioned them last year and are claiming that the sanctioning process was still very much in progress this year, so this probably isn't going anywhere now in terms of legal action. The politics gave the Fury a face-saving way out of soccer. The ongoing rumblings over sanctioning didn't help obviously but if the Fury had been making money for OSEG they would still be playing in one league or the other, because by the sounds of things they need revenue desperately and even the CFL team may not be 100% secure in the years ahead.

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My take on this is essentially what I said a year ago when they first were denied sanctioning that was reversed.  Fury have just made a shockingly bad business decision by staying in the USL in year 1. 

Granted, they were not put in an enviable situation by the circumstances they found themselves in by having to choose in year 1 between USL and CPL but as others have said, they should have known years ago that this was a likely eventuality.  They either had to stay on the outside and hope they could claim “special circumstances!” Indefinitely or at least until they could wiggle their way in for nothing once the league was established or join a first year league with all the risks it entails. In fairness to them, not an enviable choice but it’s the choice they should have been aware of they needed to make. 

If I was them, I would have joined the league in year 1 as they would have seen from the inside the commitment of the ownership groups and whilst still a risk, that to me was a lot less risky than staying outside, hoping for an indefinite exemption in the FIFA world, and not paying an expansion fee once the league was established. from a business point of view, the CPL teams took all the risks, establish the league, signed the deal with media pro, got the sponsors, etc., they should be rewarded for those risks as Fury didn’t help them to create it   Fury bet against them league by staying outside and now they go burned.  It’s as simple as that  

 

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Getting involved with pro soccer in North America has usually been a shockingly bad business decision. The one good thing about the press conference was hearing John Pugh state that CanPL are following the MLS business model given MLS has been by far the most successful soccer league in North America in terms of financial stability.

The one thought that crossed my mind at that point is that if OSEG are already struggling financially in terms of their total operation they may not have been keen on taking on a risky 10 year commitment with no easy escape route no matter how it is structured. Don't often write this but Duane Rollins may have called it right last year that they may have been looking for a way out of the sport to cut their losses and were not fully committed even to the USL team.

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Bad business decision? The opposite.

OSEG only ran the Fury to get the original contract without a competition.

These guys are about property development. The CFL is a toy. The other sports are an obligation.

of course they knew this could happen ... they were probably banking on it! (And it sounds like they bailed before it was fully settled or all options exhausted?)

If anything, OSEG made a great business decision staying in USL as the sanctioning issue gave them cover for getting out of a money losing venture - one that was never really part of their core plans anyway. This was their ticket out and they took it.

How bad would it look for Their contract with the city if they just shut up shop for no reason other than for losing money? 

How bad would it have looked if they joined CanPL and bailed for year two?

 

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2 hours ago, The Real Marc said:

Bad business decision? The opposite.

OSEG only ran the Fury to get the original contract without a competition.

These guys are about property development. The CFL is a toy. The other sports are an obligation.

of course they knew this could happen ... they were probably banking on it! (And it sounds like they bailed before it was fully settled or all options exhausted?)

If anything, OSEG made a great business decision staying in USL as the sanctioning issue gave them cover for getting out of a money losing venture - one that was never really part of their core plans anyway. This was their ticket out and they took it.

How bad would it look for Their contract with the city if they just shut up shop for no reason other than for losing money? 

How bad would it have looked if they joined CanPL and bailed for year two?

 

I agree to a certain extent but OSEG has been clear, and when residents were polled a few months ago they were clear, the site needs more programming. OSEG is now trying to gain control of the 3 remaining City controlled spaces so that they can increase the frequency and diversity of programming. So to think they would cut 20 dates that draw 2-5K that quickly doesn’t exactly make sense. I think this has more to do with incompetence than will.

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2 hours ago, The Real Marc said:

How bad would it have looked if they joined CanPL and bailed for year two?

From my understand, You can't bail from CPL after 2 years. Seems like they lock in owners for a long period...might be one of the reasons why OSEG didn't want to join...they'd be stuck in the soccer business for a long time.

You know...they just have to have it on their own terms all the time 

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https://canpl.ca/article/canadian-premier-league-statement-on-ottawa-fury-suspending-operations

With the success of our inaugural season behind us, we are excited about future Canadian Premier League expansion opportunities and remain committed to bringing a CPL Club to Ottawa. Canada’s Capital City deserves a CPL team.  We believe Ottawa is a great soccer market that would only be enhanced by the opportunity to support a truly Canadian Tier One Men’s Professional Soccer Club.

As it relates specifically to the Ottawa Fury (OSEG), we have always and continue to applaud their investment in professional soccer in Ottawa. We have had multiple discussions with Ottawa Fury ownership (OSEG) in the past and we remain open to further discussions. We look forward to bringing Canadian Premier League soccer to Ottawa with the right partners and structure that ensures the long-term success of professional soccer in Ottawa.

This could be the announcement about expansion in the next 30 days or maybe I am being too cynical. 

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3 hours ago, Ansem said:

They wanted out of soccer and blaming the universe for forcing them out was the best way to save face.

Good riddance.

Ottawa deserves an ownership who truly wants soccer to succeed in that city.

We all seem to be in agreement that OSEG was losing a good amount of money on the USL.  If costs are comparable to the CPL, you're right that they probably wanted out of soccer, but it's also not a great sign for what the finances of the CPL were in year 1.  Especially if avoiding an expansion fee still wasn't worth it to them.

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And to think any group that is interested in bringing a CPL team to Ottawa will have to deal with OSEG when it comes to a stadium lease that will likely include no concessions and parking and any perspective partnerships will have to respect those that are already in place for TD Place. This is the one area where OSEG will have the upper hand on the CPL. The question will be how badly they want a team there, likely with unfavourable terms. This is why control of the stadium and all of its revenue streams is huge like most of the CPL teams have.  

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51 minutes ago, Cblake said:

And to think any group that is interested in bringing a CPL team to Ottawa will have to deal with OSEG when it comes to a stadium lease that will likely include no concessions and parking and any perspective partnerships will have to respect those that are already in place for TD Place. This is the one area where OSEG will have the upper hand on the CPL. The question will be how badly they want a team there, likely with unfavourable terms. This is why control of the stadium and all of its revenue streams is huge like most of the CPL teams have.  

Unless they decide to go for an alternate stadium or popup, which is more desirable imo.

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58 minutes ago, Cblake said:

And to think any group that is interested in bringing a CPL team to Ottawa will have to deal with OSEG when it comes to a stadium lease that will likely include no concessions and parking and any perspective partnerships will have to respect those that are already in place for TD Place. This is the one area where OSEG will have the upper hand on the CPL. The question will be how badly they want a team there, likely with unfavourable terms. This is why control of the stadium and all of its revenue streams is huge like most of the CPL teams have.  

Maybe replicating something intimate like Halifax. Do we really need another oversized CFL stadium?

On grass preferably 

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Just now, Ansem said:

Maybe replicating something intimate like Halifax. Do we really need another oversized CFL stadium?

Cant express how much I agree about 100000% with this. Why would we want a CPL team to even play at Landsdown? I would say where at al possible avoid playing in a 20,000+ grid iron football stadium.

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Maybe it's Vancouver guy talking but looking on Google maps. Why not use the baseball stadium and turn all that useless parking lot surrounding it in to condos etc to make it a more energetic environment. Stadium looks pretty decent 

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I hate to engage in post-mortem equine flagellation, but I really don't see an option other than Lansdowne for a team. It's by far the best stadium in the city - best facilities, best location, best accessibility, best commercial area, etc. The baseball stadium is next to box stores and a highway, and no other plot of land anywhere near downtown is going to be developed and available for at least a decade (thanks a lot, Rendez-Vous Lebreton). We're not in a Halifax scenario here. Even the university stadia aren't exactly well-located - no real entertainment/dining/shopping district close enough to support either and encourage casual walk-ups. I know on paper the idea is simple enough, but it just doesn't seem to jive with reality here. 

People are used to Lansdowne now being the sports hub for the city, and that includes soccer. If a team plays anywhere but Lansdowne, it'll come off as second-rate and undermine the whole venture. 

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So one thing thing that hasn't been mentioned much which for me is beyond dirty pool. OSEG signed a letter of intent to join the CPL. That's what they've said. It's also been said that they were involved in discussions about the league for several years leading up to it. One of their owners sits on the BOD for the CSA. After all that at the last minute they run back to the USL and by extension the MLS. And presumably sang like birds about all the sensitive information they had learned about the CPL. The MLS who clearly from their own words and the treatment of the CPL by their partner TSN believe the Canadian soccer market solely theirs. To me this is unforgivable and after that I'm sure the CPLs main intention was to sink the Fury. For me the CPL would have to better than me to let OSEG back in fold after that

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