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Never rejoice people when a pro soccer team folds even when it’s this controversial Fury team. It just gives ammunition to all the soccer haters to say there I told you so with their believe that pro soccer can’t really make it here in Canada and it will eventually all come crumbling down MLS and CPL included. Yes the Fury should have been in the CPL this year no reason why they should have held out. But I would rather there be a pro soccer team in Ottawa than nothing at all. Ottawa is folding because they are loosing a **** load of money never mind sanctioning and all that other crap. If they are not losing a ton of money they would be back even in the CPL in 2020. Moreover, where are all these new owners in Ottawa breaking down the doors to get into the CPL? This is a bad bad look for soccer in Canada expecially now with the World Cup coming and Canada’s men’s team starting to make some noise . 

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46 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

It's not at all clear why the CSA signed off on that when CanPL was very much in the works.

Simple answer is that the CPL was not around when the call had to be made to leave NASL.  I was (and still am) very supportive of the decision to leave the NASL.  There was no alternative at the time other than doing an FC Edmonton and that was not at all appetizing to the locals.

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4 minutes ago, Cheeta said:

Weren't run out of town.   Bloody well RAN out of town on you own two feet....

...shortly after OSEG lost out on a source of extra income at Landsdowne Park and with talk of trying to cash in on their USL franchise rights elsewhere in 2021. Hopefully this whole sorry episode hasn't poisoned the well for pro soccer in Ottawa for many years to come

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My notes from the Press Conference:

Goudie:  We saw ourselves being in cpl someday, we felt it should be on our terms, right to choose, our decision, when we signed franchise agreement, included out clause, so we envisioned it was a possibility, probability down road.

CSA was aware of clause, terms of clause, we needed to provide 1 year clean notice, so that means for 2020 we had to give notice before CPL was in existence, conversations were wait and see, if we felt it was in best interest of soccer in Ottawa, we would make that leap, but we haven't been given opportunity to get there.

We had help early on from MLSE, TFC, Bob Lenarduzzi, Whitecaps advocating on our behalf, they understand Fury's role in pyramid, that's why we got sanctioning so early.  Back in may, able to get to CSA board of directors, with influence of USL we thought we'd figure it out for 2020, deadline of June pushed to Nov 1 by USL, I thought we were in ok shape for 2020, earlier this week became apparent sanctioning was not gonna come.  If they didn't want us to play in USL, just say that instead of dragging their feet.

Thoughts on 2021?  Not really, take a step back and figure out, what the Fury's future is, I don't know. One thing i do know is JDG is going to continue to play a role in evolution of soccer in Canada.

Our efforts were to logically talk about our role , to ask people to be fair, asking for ability to play in league we wanted to play in, we were owed that as a courtesy based on our investment.  We needed multi year sanctioning, our request back in spring with CSA was multi year sanctioning, CSA said they didn't know how to do that, best was to give 1 year, they were sincere about understanding predicament it put us in, that doesn't mean we couldn't move to CPL down road

This year will financially be the best year in soccer.  Team did not make money this year.

We've never had a conversation with Concacaf, role of CSA is to be advocate, correspondence goes thru CSA, they deal with US Soccer and Concacaf, never had opportunity to get ultimatum from Concacaf, last year CSA was insistent it was their process to run, a couple weeks ago CSA told us we were on our own, told to enlist help of USL, that was indication of things to come.  In terms of formal threats, never received that.

Motives?

Pugh: Their motivation is to govern soccer for all of Concacaf, I give them a lot of credit for some things they've done in recent years to improve matters, Nations League. It is difficult with respect to our own situation, Concacaf put processes in place this year, this boils down to FIFA statute 73, playing in outside country, Cardiff City, you need authorization, sanctioning, to play outside, that's where Concacaf has put in additional processes to guide and make process transparent, there was contact in March to do just that.  No mention of annual sanctioning in FIFA, but there is in Concacaf, mentions of comparable leagues, have to deal with that, they gave some rigour to it.

Goudie: I think there was ulterior motives, beliefs all countries should play in their own domestic leagues, question about MLS teams.  We are not a sovereign soccer nation, we are not, we are being governed out of Concacaf.

What would have been lost if Fury joined CPL?

Goudie: Goes back to last year, position we were put in by governing bodies, going to tread lightly here, don't want to be injurious to CPL, respect their investment, I think CPL was part of dialogue early on with CSA and Concacaf, about not having another Div 2 playing, our ask was reasonable given our investment, to give us ability to decide. So on behalf of our owners, desire to join somebody that has issued you a ransom note is not high, we would have to get to a place where more trust and respect was earned and gained, before we made that leap.

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3 minutes ago, SoccMan said:

Never rejoice people when a pro soccer team folds even when it’s this controversial Fury team. It just gives ammunition to all the soccer haters to say there I told you so with their believe that pro soccer can’t really make it here in Canada and it will eventually all come crumbling down MLS and CPL included. Yes the Fury should have been in the CPL this year no reason why they should have held out. But I would rather there be a pro soccer team in Ottawa than nothing at all. Ottawa is folding because they are loosing a **** load of money never mind sanctioning and all that other crap. If they are not losing a ton of money they would be back even in the CPL in 2020. Moreover, where are all these new owners in Ottawa breaking down the doors to get into the CPL? This is a bad bad look for soccer in Canada expecially now with the World Cup coming and Canada’s men’s team starting to make some noise . 

I don’t see anyone rejoicing.  I see a ton of people frustrated as hell that OSEG didn’t heed the warning signs and didn’t get on board with CPL when it would have been free (no expansion fee in the first year).   People can talk about shared blame all they want, but most people who aren’t solidly in the Fury camp (and even many that were) were very much pro-CPL. 

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2 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Simple answer is that the CPL was not around when the call had to be made to leave NASL.  I was (and still am) very supportive of the decision to leave the NASL.  There was no alternative at the time other than doing an FC Edmonton and that was not at all appetizing to the locals.

How bad do you think the Fury faithful will take this? If by hook or by crook the 2 sides get a deal and in 2021 we see a reformed CPL Fury, will there be lasting effects?  It seems like the Eddies couldnt seem to get the fans out this last season after taking a year off.  

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4 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

They also barely scraped by the last place HFX over two legs 5-4.  If their budget was so much higher as some claim, it seems like they weren’t investing it that well.    

The Whitecaps have a much bigger budget than Cavalry and we saw what happened there. 
 

I wouldn’t use the results of a single two-legged fixture as a definitive measure of anything at a macro level.

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2 minutes ago, Bison44 said:

How bad do you think the Fury faithful will take this? If by hook or by crook the 2 sides get a deal and in 2021 we see a reformed CPL Fury, will there be lasting effects?  It seems like the Eddies couldnt seem to get the fans out this last season after taking a year off.  

True.  But easier to kick the can down the road.  Until the can becomes too heavy or the road ends.

The problem is that some people will find other things to do in the summer and when soccer is back in town, they may not come back (or as often).  The reality is that it is what we are faced with.

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1 minute ago, RS said:

The Whitecaps have a much bigger budget than Cavalry and we saw what happened there. 
 

I wouldn’t use the results of a single two-legged fixture as a definitive measure of anything at a macro level.

Fair enough. But I keep hearing the vast gulf referenced as proof of the hit Fury would take if the “downgraded” to CPL.  Since most of that info isn’t published and seems really speculative, I am going by the one hard metric I have at my disposal.  And according to that, either the budgets/quality is not that different, or Fury didn’t turn the alleged larger budget into dominance when (I suspect) they would have really, really liked to display it. 

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1 minute ago, dyslexic nam said:

I don’t see anyone rejoicing.  I see a ton of people frustrated as hell that OSEG didn’t heed the warning signs and didn’t get on board with CPL when it would have been free (no expansion fee in the first year).   People can talk about shared blame all they want, but most people who aren’t solidly in the Fury camp (and even many that were) were very much pro-CPL. 

These Ottawa owners have basically given up on soccer, you really think an expansion fee is the reason they are folding than joining the CPL? They just wanted out and tired of losing money and now are just throwing out every imaginable excuse to why they are folding from CPL expansion fee to CSA sanctioning. Hopefully some new owners with real money will be found very soon in Ottawa and pro soccer can come back as early as 2021. 

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Just now, SoccMan said:

These Ottawa owners have basically given up on soccer, you really think an expansion fee is the reason they are folding than joining the CPL? They just wanted out and tired of losing money and now are just throwing out every imaginable excuse to why they are folding from CPL expansion fee to CSA sanctioning. Hopefully some new owners with real money will be found very soon in Ottawa and pro soccer can come back as early as 2021. 

Okay.  Still doesn't mean anyone here is dancing on their grave. 

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1 minute ago, SoccMan said:

These Ottawa owners have basically given up on soccer, you really think an expansion fee is the reason they are folding than joining the CPL? They just wanted out and tired of losing money and now are just throwing out every imaginable excuse to why they are folding from CPL expansion fee to CSA sanctioning. Hopefully some new owners with real money will be found very soon in Ottawa and pro soccer can come back as early as 2021. 

After having thought about this some more, I think you’re correct on all fronts.

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I dont get it, if CSA said ok for this next season in USL....why couldnt the 2 parties have sold CONCACAF/FIFA on the idea that they needed just one more year to make a deal to bring the Fury over???  That way Fury doesnt close its doors and lose hard won momentum??  Unless it really is bad blood and nobody wanted to make a deal...the bit about OSEG getting the courtesy to decide/ransom note/respect and trust etc makes it sound like bad blood.  

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Just now, SoccMan said:

These Ottawa owners have basically given up on soccer, you really think an expansion fee is the reason they are folding than joining the CPL? They just wanted out and tired of losing money and now are just throwing out every imaginable excuse to why they are folding from CPL expansion fee to CSA sanctioning. Hopefully some new owners with real money will be found very soon in Ottawa and pro soccer can come back as early as 2021. 

The main problem will be whether Landsdowne Park is a viable venue as a tenant of OSEG, and if not how easy it is to find an alternative.

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Just now, Bison44 said:

I dont get it, if CSA said ok for this next season in USL....why couldnt the 2 parties have sold CONCACAF/FIFA on the idea that they needed just one more year to make a deal to bring the Fury over???  That way Fury doesnt close its doors and lose hard won momentum??  Unless it really is bad blood and nobody wanted to make a deal...the bit about OSEG getting the courtesy to decide/ransom note/respect and trust etc makes it sound like bad blood.  

The Fury didn't want that though, Goudie mentioned how they wanted longer term sanctioning to play in USL. 

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7 minutes ago, Fullback said:

I really feel bad for every Fury fan out there. But holy f*ck get Mark Goudie as far away from Canada Soccer as possible. He doesn’t understand anything

I think the CPL agrees with you and thus were fine with Fury dying so a new ownership group could be installed.

If the rumours of the new ownership group in Ottawa don't pan out, it will not surprise me if another group backed financially by Bob Young fills the void for 2021.

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But they should have know from last year long term sanctioning wasnt coming.  Any arguments about diaparity between the levels of play or exemptions would have been put to rest by the CPL season.  Having CPL get a streaming deal, having comparable attendances to Ottawas, and beating MLS opponents in Can champ would have left Fury with little to argue when they went back to CONCACAF for another sanctioning meeting. 

I wonder if this means that they still have a USL franchise and can sell it, move it etc??  Or is there a clause that mandates you cant close you doors or the deal is off??  

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The articles posted here dont mention anything about OSEG and Lansdowne not being a viable tenant.  WIth OSEG being involved in bringing another tenant/user (rugby) it doesnt seem likely that there are stadium problems.  

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Help me understand the situation here. The city decides who plays out of Lansdowne Park? OSEG just tried to take over running all of Landsdowne park but the city denied this request? This would have turned over that power completely to OSEG?

The timing of all this feels like it might be related. I'm pretty sure the CPL has made contact before now with the city of Ottawa

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Just now, Bison44 said:

The articles posted here dont mention anything about OSEG and Lansdowne not being a viable tenant.  WIth OSEG being involved in bringing another tenant/user (rugby) it doesnt seem likely that there are stadium problems.  

I might be wrong, but I believe that OSEG is partnering up with the Rugby franchise, which should eliminate most types of difficulties in terms of tenancy.

But we'll see how it works when a CPL club, whose ownership is unrelated to OSEG, tries to implement itself in Ottawa. By controlling the stadium, OSEG controls a whole lot of things. And it's obvious that there is bad blood between CPL and OSEG.

I am wary.

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1 minute ago, SpursFlu said:

Help me understand the situation here. The city decides who plays out of Lansdowne Park? OSEG just tried to take over running all of Landsdowne park but the city denied this request? This would have turned over that power completely to OSEG?

The timing of all this feels like it might be related. I'm pretty sure the CPL has made contact before now with the city of Ottawa

OSEG manages the stadium, and controls the tenancy for the residential and commercial developments in Lansdowne.

The city controls other parts of it, such as the two exhibition spaces and the park (maybe the public square as well, but I don't know).

OSEG wanted to control the areas which the city currently controls. The City has not said no, they've more like delayed taking a decision.

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