narduch Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think it's less complex than that. My speculation is there is no way for them to recoup their USL expansion fee. So they are hesitant to leave. CDNFootballer and Viruk42 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think its even simpler...lets wait and see if they get off the ground. Its the tarzan theory. When he is swinging around he doesnt let go of one vine until he has another vine in his hand. Gopherbashi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Such drama was so unnecessary. It's understandable for OSEG to hesitate due to their circumstances. However, they needlessly mishandled their public handling of their decision. It's a shame DrummingInMySleep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: A slice on expansion fees from teams that joined after they did is the obvious one, but it's usually claimed on here that only goes to the league owners. Not only on here, but its already known USL teams don't get a cut of expansion and there were twitter posts posted on this board showing that as well a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Initial B said: I've never heard any of my Fury ticket reps say that they have an escape clause. They've told me in the past there are sunk costs to recoup before they jump leagues again, though honestly I'm not sure what to believe anymore. As everyone in this thread is so fond of business metrics, I'm sure OSEG is looking at them as well. Most posters can't see why OSEG doesn't jump to the CanPL immediately. I say, follow the money - there must be some revenue streams that we're not privy to that makes staying in USL the better option right now. If CanPL went to OSEG and laid out their revenue streams and expenses and could demonstrate that the Fury would be more profitable in CanPL than USL, I bet the Fury would jump at the chance to increase their ROI. The fact that they haven't yet, despite rumours of losing millions over the past couple of years and ongoing discussions with CanPL, indicates to me that either there are risks that we don't know about or they are getting funding to stay afloat from another source. The risks could be that CanPL is in its first season and we have to see if there is a sophomore slump in attendance figures in 2020. None of the CanPL clubs have a full season under their belt yet, so no costs have been published yet. Also, the Fury may have run numbers to indicate they can't afford to participate in CONCACAF League play if they managed to win the league. They know they'll never be able to win the Voyageurs Cup so they could still sell us fans on that dream of higher-level play. (Speaking of high-level play, the general consensus is that if the Fury joined, only Forge and Cavalry would provided any challenge, which I disagree with considering how we played against HFX Wanderers.) The Fury have an affiliation with the Montreal Impact and also some loaned TFC players - perhaps one or both MLS teams are providing a subsidy to keep the Fury operating in the USL at a known talent level. But the CPL has shown they can defeat MLS-level clubs, so there may be a re-evaluation of the CanPL by MLS clubs in the off-season and may prod the Fury in the CanPL direction. And as for those midweek attendance numbers quoted up-thread, I was at all those games and there is no way there were that many people in the stands versus Indy Eleven (those of use in the supporters section thought it was about 2500 max). But it was also a cool night and school had started up again, so they probably just used the Season Ticket base + the number of walk-up purchases. Its been publicised previously how Fury have a yearly out of the USL. Its likely a few factors why Fury haven't made the jump, they apparently are paying their multimillion expansion fee in USL over a 10 year period for one, so having still to pay that and jumping to a new league is one factor. Exit fees are another. Since Fury are a minor league affiliate for MLS they do get a subsidy of sorts with players that come from the parent MLS franchise, something they can't get in CPL since its Canada's 1st Division and doesn't accept minor league affiliates or reserve teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 ^Echo that. I think the wage subsidies is very important. Could be roadblock #1 (or #2) to joining CPL at this point. Any time you can get a player for less, like when a parent club covers a portion of a loaned player's salary it isn't a bad thing (so far as the bean counters are concerned). Unless league rules stipulate the entire salary for a player counts against a teams cap regardless of who pays it. Then there might be a problem (as far a the manager is concerned). Even if Ottawa got an exemption for a season or two, ie being allowed to accept subsidised playes on loan, that exemption would expire. Their revenue side of the ledger would have to be strong enough to accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 The flip side is that it wouldn’t be a big deal if the situation in Ottawa was replicated in other CPL clubs. For me, the issue is any preferential treatment that Ottawa might get. As others have said, loans are not objectionable in and of themselves. If the 3 MLS sides recognized the value of player loans to all CPL sides, where they would face a really high level of competition, I don’t really see an issue. But you can’t justify that if Ottawa has a disproportionate number of loaners or if they get special treatment through some affiliation status. DrummingInMySleep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Going back in hiding deschamp86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Ansem said: Going back in hiding I find it very odd that Kurt Larson is tweeting about a team that's not in the league. I would look at this as a positive, as an Ottawan that wants the Fury in the CPL, but considering he was bickering with Fury supporters last season I fear this is just the beginning of more petty twitter bullshit. Sébastien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Interesting to note that one of the replies to that tweet mentions that the Fury have to submit their special designation application in November and that the USL is requiring a signed 3 year commitment from all clubs. Not sure if that applies to the Fury as its been widely reported the Fury have an exit to the CPL if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 That 3 year commitment probably has to do with the Lansing and Fresno debacles. This Ottawa saga will just go on until they join the CPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said: Interesting to note that one of the replies to that tweet mentions that the Fury have to submit their special designation application in November and that the USL is requiring a signed 3 year commitment from all clubs. Not sure if that applies to the Fury as its been widely reported the Fury have an exit to the CPL if they want. Most likely exempts Ottawa from that as the CSA & CONCACAF can pull the plug at anytime. Edited October 21, 2019 by Ansem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said: I find it very odd that Kurt Larson is tweeting about a team that's not in the league. I would look at this as a positive, as an Ottawan that wants the Fury in the CPL, but considering he was bickering with Fury supporters last season I fear this is just the beginning of more petty twitter ********. He tweets about TFC all the time BuzzAndSting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ansem said: He tweets about TFC all the time All the guys covering CPL do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 It’s not like TFC just disappeared. They’re still the most popular club in Canada. Even though I have Forge season seats doesn’t mean I haven’t been to TFC games this year or watched them on TV, I’ve been following them for 12 years; you don’t just stop being a fan. SadOnMondays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said: It’s not like TFC just disappeared. They’re still the most popular club in Canada. Even though I have Forge season seats doesn’t mean I haven’t been to TFC games this year or watched them on TV, I’ve been following them for 12 years; you don’t just stop being a fan. For sure, not questioning his fandom. He's the head of media for a different league though, seems odd to me to be using an account which he uses for a lot of "official" CPL related information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: For sure, not questioning his fandom. He's the head of media for a different league though, seems odd to me to be using an account which he uses for a lot of "official" CPL related information. Its the same account he was using previously. Its much better off for him to use the same account for CPL as well to engage all the followers he already had Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, deschamp86 said: Its the same account he was using previously. Its much better off for him to use the same account for CPL as well to engage all the followers he already had Ya I get that too, still seems odd. Almost any Canadian soccer fan who doesn't know his back story they would read his twitter bio "@OneSoccer Analyst/Head of Content" and then read comments and probably be confused. Anyway, just my two cents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 23 hours ago, Ansem said: Going back in hiding It will be interesting to see how this plays out this year (and not just in terms of resolution). Last year, CONCACAF dropped a bombshell and then walked it back. I don’t see that happening again this year. I think whatever the decision, the first signal will be the final signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Fury fall in playoffs to Charleston Battery 5-4 on pk's at home in front of just over 2400 announced attendance, if they are jumping to CPL should be annouced soon. Don't think its happening for 2020 though imo, maybe for 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viruk42 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 hours ago, CDNFootballer said: Fury fall in playoffs to Charleston Battery 5-4 on pk's at home in front of just over 2400 announced attendance, if they are jumping to CPL should be annouced soon. Don't think its happening for 2020 though imo, maybe for 2021. So let's add that to the list of weeknight attendances this season: June 26 vs Charleston - 3,094 July 24 vs Halifax - 4,443 Aug 7 vs Toronto - 5,809 Sept 18 vs Tampa Bay - 3,200 Oct 2 vs Indy Eleven - 3,145 Oct 23 vs Charleston - 2,427 Weird how it looks like people would rather attend a game against a Canadian team than ones from random parts of the US. Red and White, xabuep2 and deschamp86 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuzzAndSting Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Ansem said: Ooof. This isn't going to go over well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Like I said, Larson is a professional troll, but at least now he's on our side. NVsoccer, Ams1984, Ivanovski94 and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 hours ago, CDNFootballer said: Fury fall in playoffs to Charleston Battery 5-4 on pk's at home in front of just over 2400 announced attendance, if they are jumping to CPL should be announced soon. That seems like really low attendance for a playoff game. 44 minutes ago, Viruk42 said: So let's add that to the list of weeknight attendances this season: June 26 vs Charleston - 3,094 July 24 vs Halifax - 4,443 Aug 7 vs Toronto - 5,809 Sept 18 vs Tampa Bay - 3,200 Oct 2 vs Indy Eleven - 3,145 Oct 23 vs Charleston - 2,427 Weird how it looks like people would rather attend a game against a Canadian team than ones from random parts of the US. While the numbers don't lie, it is tricky to draw too many conclusions. One could argue that the V cup game against Halifax had more importance than a regular season game, and the chance to see TFC would undeniably be a draw for some fence sitters. Having said that, you would think that the playoff game attendance would have been at least equal to the HFX game if it was only a matter of importance and not geography. MtlMario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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