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USL & NASL D2 sanctioning for 2018 Not Approved at Sept USSF Meeting

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At last Friday's USSF meeting, September 1st, both USL and NASL did not have they're D2 sanctioning for 2018 approved. They were both to have submitted plans to address them reaching full D2 compliance to USSF by August. Both have been given more time to get their areas where they fall short in order, NASL till September 15 and USL till end of September. Not sure why USL has been given more time as they have more waivers than NASL but the number of clubs is the main issue for NASL (have 10 and need 12 for 2018) and secondary is a central time zone club. USL falls short in close to 30% of its teams stadium requirements not meeting the standards and also have fallen short in net worth for some principle owners, coaching certificates, and staffing requirements.

 

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14 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said:

If they were both denied and this is the USSF's way of forcing a merger, I would love them forever for finally ending this constant shitshow.

You know, apart from no longer being able to poach FCE from NASL.

I bey there will be something that fucks fce out of it

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If nasl had been given more time, they would have alluded to that in their official statement. 

If there was a vote on usl, it would have been in the media. Neil Morris said that ussf will readdress usl's d2 status in 30 days, which is early October.

Issue with nasl is that with time it's clear that they cannot get and keep enough teams. Better to not let this drag and have a single d2. Would be better for owners and potential owners if they could know that there will be a stable structure for upcoming years and what it is exactly

 

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On 9/6/2017 at 7:39 PM, CDNFootballer said:

At last Friday's USSF meeting, September 1st, both USL and NASL did not have they're D2 sanctioning for 2018 approved. They were both to have submitted plans to address them reaching full D2 compliance to USSF by August. Both have been given more time to get their areas where they fall short in order, NASL till September 15 and USL till end of September. Not sure why USL has been given more time as they have more waivers than NASL but the number of clubs is the main issue for NASL (have 10 and need 12 for 2018) and secondary is a central time zone club. USL falls short in close to 30% of its teams stadium requirements not meeting the standards and also have fallen short in net worth for some principle owners, coaching certificates, and staffing requirements.

 

What is your source for USL falling short of D2 Sanctioning? Unlike NASL they have made no such statement.
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/09/05/nasl-division-sanctioning-us-soccer-usl

The article above from Brian Strauss clearly points out that more than likely USL will maintain D2 status.

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The USSF will follow it's process and we'll find out what the outcome is soon enough. Not sure that CanPL in 2018 even hinges on this as there is uncertainty as to what Edmonton would/could do if NASL becomes D3, what Ottawa would do if USL was still D2, whether Hamilton will even have a stadium they can play in any time soon due to the litigation, what is happening in Halifax when there has been no Soccer Nova Scotia event, and who franchise #6 would be if all the other pieces fell neatly into place. The NASL seems to have an ongoing ability to survive against the odds like a cockroach after a nuclear holocaust so it's best to wait until the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed before making any assumptions predicated on its demise.

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2 hours ago, Complete Homer said:

Last minute meetings to come up with a solution

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/09/14/nasl-us-soccer-sanctioning-division-2-future-league-usa-club-landscape?utm_campaign=si-soccer&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si

Yes, the date I previously mentioned, Sept 15, is an important one for the NASL. Interesting tidbits in the article discussing NASL & USL situations :

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 And there are instances (around 20 or 21 according to a source) where several (USL) clubs don’t meet every D2 standard.

Re NASL :

Getting the USSF to reconsider will require fielding 12 teams, and on Friday in New York, owners and NASL officials will lay the groundwork.It’s understood that the NASL, whose brand is grounded in an embrace of the free market, is considering a couple compromises if it helps teams enter and/or survive. Spending cuts, a salary cap/budget, tighter roster regulations, reduced entry fees and additional financial support for new or existing clubs are all on the table. 

 

So NASL's revamped D2 bid is also said to include 3 new expansion teams in addition to the 2 already announced (California United FC and San Diego). The rumored clubs are Atlanta (already said to have been approved previously but not yet announced), and possibly Detroit City FC (NPSL), New Orleans, or Chicago. NCFC may stay or move according to SI but Malik has said previously he won't be the reason the league folds so will likely stay if it comes to NASL needing them imo.

 

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13 minutes ago, CDNFootballer said:

So NASL's revamped D2 bid is also said to include 3 new expansion teams in addition to the 2 already announced (California United FC and San Diego). The rumored clubs are Atlanta (already said to have been approved previously but not yet announced), and possibly Detroit City FC (NPSL), New Orleans, or Chicago. NCFC may stay or move according to SI but Malik has said previously he won't be the reason the league folds so will likely stay if it comes to NASL needing them imo.

 

I am really not on any side of the NASL/USL stuff, I just hope for as few teams fold as possible, but you've got to wonder if USSF is going to see that kind of plan as viable. NASL has already had issues with poor vetting, I could see USSF taking the position that they don't think the plan is credible and sticking to the denial of D2 status. It's dumb that it has come to this, but I don't see NASL walking away with D2 this time

USL also has 30 days to come up with a viable plan to map a plan to address its waivers, I just think they'll have an easier time convincing USSF that the waivers they currently need are easier to resolve

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NORTH AMERICAN SOCCER LEAGUE FILES FEDERAL ANTITRUST LAWSUIT AGAINST UNITED STATES SOCCER FEDERATION

The North American Soccer League (NASL) announced Tuesday that it has filed a federal antitrust lawsuit against the United States Soccer Federation (USSF) in Brooklyn federal court. The NASL is a men’s professional soccer league that has operated since 2010.   

The complaint alleges that the USSF sought to limit competition from the NASL to MLS and USL, and now seeks to destroy the NASL by arbitrarily revoking the NASL’s “Division II” status for the upcoming 2018 season. The complaint only seeks injunctive relief against the USSF’s conduct regarding its divisional designations.

http://www.nasl.com/news/2017/09/19/north-american-soccer-league-files-federal-antitrust-lawsuit-against-united-states-soccer-federation-

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31 minutes ago, Complete Homer said:

NASL apparently has a letter of intent from New Orleans for a club

Crazy stuff. Might not be over yet

And Detroit City FC and Atlanta looking to be in for 2018 as well giving NASL on more than the number of teams it needed to meet the D2 standards.

14 minutes ago, harrycoyster said:

Hasn't that been the case since he bought the Cosmos?

Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere else before this.

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Differentiate, Or Die: NASL Must Evolve Dramatically If It Survives Its Latest Challenge

NASL Didn’t Have To Be In This Position, But Thought A Long Term Focus Would Earn USSF Goodwill

USSF president Sunil Gulati pledged communication and collaboration with both provisional Division II leagues in his statement in January: “U.S. Soccer will create an internal working group that will work with each league to set a pathway to meet the full requirements for Division II and allow for the larger goal of creating a sustainable future. We look forward to another productive year for professional soccer in this country.”

Ironically, the NASL’s efforts to improve its expansion vetting process for greater long term stability may have played a role in the league not meeting the number of teams threshold of the Division II standards without exception in the short term.   The NASL had other prospective investors it could have approved for 2018, had it been informed early enough in the process by USSF that 12 was going to be a drop dead number.  

Differentiation Scenario 2: NISA Absorbs NASL Clubs, Applies For Division II In 2018

In a scenario where NASL is denied the preliminary injunction that is needed to retain Division II sanctioning for 2018, it is very likely NASL as we known it collapses as an active league.  However, the majority of teams could still be reluctant to join USL, or USL could simply not want some of the teams.  Also, a Division III NASL may not appeal to some owners, like Rocco Commisso of the New York Cosmos, which could lead to those owners to simply close up shop.  

NISA is attempting to put a Division III league together for the 2018 season, but like NASL, having enough teams ready could be a challenge.   Instead of pursuing two separate Division III leagues, it would make more sense for NASL clubs to join NISA and have NISA apply to be a Division II league. As a first year Division II league, NISA would only need 8 teams in two time zones based on the current Professional League Standards.  The numbers be fairly easy to make up for 2018 between a combination of current NASL clubs and prospective NISA clubs.

 http://midfieldpress.com/2017/09/27/differentiate-or-die-nasl-must-evolve-dramatically-if-it-survives-its-latest-challenge/

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