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Great read, but caught myself thinking "Klinsman is full of it". 

He is not wrong that playing better teams will improve the US, but I think he is making a mountain out of a molehill.

1. Mexico did not lose to Argentina 4-0 because of nations league. They haven't even played in nations league yet.

2. The USA and Mexico have been playing friendlies against top nations for years and years and years, but Mexico still can't reach the WC quarters. USA still can't advance from the group stage regularly.

3. Friendlies are not competitive in general. Yes, playing better teams makes you better, but so does playing competitive games. Even if the competition is weaker, there is benefit in winning games that matter.

Most of the voices from the USA about nations league are negative. I understand it, but if they treat it as glorified friendlies, that is to their detriment.

Luckily, Canada on the other hand will take it seriously and we will benefit from it, win lose or draw.

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Concacaf’s job is not to make the US and Mexico better, it’s to make all the teams in the region better.

 Klinsman is full of s***.  We just watched tiny Caribbean nations beat Central American teams and this is what will improve the entire region.  And then in the end the Us and Mexico will be playing top 50 teams regularly which will benefit all.

And the complete lack of respect towards nations like Honduras and Jamaica and Canada who can field solid teams is gonna come back and bite them in the ass.

I can’t wait until we beat them next week.

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1 hour ago, SpecialK said:

Still remembering the USMNT calling out the "Eurosnobs" and dared them to play in CONCACAF.

Later that night, Trinidad C team thrashed their Russia 2018 tickets.

That team plays way too much at home...Gold Cup, Copa America, nearly all the friendlies 

When they HAVE to play on the road, they are as mediocre as we used to be. Last WCQ, they've only won ONCE in the road.

Even at our most mediocre, they couldn't beat us at BMO.

Playing too much at home?

You think?

Edited by Ansem

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Must have been the Nations League that made them miss the World Cup...

Klinsmann isn't in Germany any more and the US is not a soccer super power.  They can arrange friendlies with top teams - and have the luxury of being able to get them because making money on them isn't an issue.  Plus they have 5 hex-level peers in CONCACAF that offer them absolutely decent competition.  And if they want to play against top teams, make the goddamned world cup.

CONCACAF is fulfilling its mandate to grow the game in the region.  Klinsmann can piss off.

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Canadians in MLS 2019

Player Team Position GP GS MP G A
Mark Anthony Kaye Los Angeles FC CM/LB 31 27 2501 4 8
Samuel Piette Montreal Impact CDM 25 25 2220 0 0
Russell Teibert Vancouver Whitecaps CM/CDM 27 26 2202 0 3
Doneil Henry Vancouver Whitecaps CB 25 24 2123 4 1
Tesho Akindele Orlando City ST/W 28 22 1880 10 2
Jonathan Osorio Toronto FC CM/CAM 24 18 1756 5 4
Will Johnson Orlando City CM 21 20 1697 1 1
Shamit Shome Montreal Impact CM 27 18 1627 1 1
Richie Laryea Toronto FC RB/RWB/CM 20 16 1468 1 2
Derek Cornelious Vancouver Whitecaps CB 17 16 1426 1 0
Kamal Miller Orlando City CB 16 14 1350 0 0
Zach Brault-Guillard Montreal Impact RB 13 9 871 0 1
Theo Bair Vancouver Whitecaps ST 17 10 824 2 2
Liam Fraser Toronto FC CDM 9 9 810 0 1
Mathieu Choiniere Montreal Impact CM 17 6 681 0 1
Jordan Hamilton Columbus Crew ST 18 7 679 4 0
Jacob Shaffelburg Toronto FC LW 10 8 672 0 1
Anthony Jackson-Hamel Montreal Impact ST 16 6 618 3 0
Jay Chapman Toronto FC CM/CAM 17 5 522 2 2
Tosaint Ricketts Vancouver Whitecaps ST 8 6 482 1 2
Clement Bayiha Montreal Impact RB/RWB 11 4 469 0 1
Tajon Buchanan New England Revolution ST 10 4 391 0 2
Brett Levis Vancouver Whitecaps LB 9 3 330 0 0
Ashtone Morgan Toronto FC LB 9 3 308 1 0
Ayo Akinola Toronto FC ST 8 2 253 1 1
Raheem Edwards Chicago Fire LWB/LB 4 2 244 1 0
Dejan Jakovic Los Angeles FC CB 3 2 181 0 0
Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla Montreal Impact ST/W 4 1 127 0 0
Daniel Kinumbe Montreal Impact LB 1 1 67 0 0
Brian Wright New England Revolution ST 2 0 10 0 0
Callum Montgomery FC Dallas CB          
Thomas Meuilleur-Giguere Montreal Impact Loan          
Karifa Yao Montreal Impact CB          
Luca Ricci Montreal Impact CM          
Julian Dunn-Johnson Toronto FC CB          
Noble Okello Toronto FC CDM          
Aidan Daniels Toronto FC Loan          
Simon Colyn Vancouver Whitecaps CAM          
Michael Baldisimo Vancouver Whitecaps CDM          
David Norman Jr. Vancouver Whitecaps CM          
               
Player Team Position GP GS MP S GA
Maxime Crepeau Vancouver Whitecaps GK 26 26 2340 114 46
Greg Ranjitsingh Orlando City GK 2 2 180 4 3
Dayne St Clair Minnesota United FC GK          
James Pantemis Montreal Impact GK          
Jason Beaulieu Montreal Impact GK          
Thomas Hasel Vancouver Whitecaps GK          
Sean Melvin Vancouver Whitecaps GK          

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2 hours ago, king1010 said:

Russel really had a turnaround year. Thought he was going to be on the way out a year ago. 

Within the context of playing on the worst non-expansion team in MLS this year, I'm not sure I'd qualify that as a turnaround.  This offseason, the club will be searching for two new starting mids to compliment In Beom.

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Really nice and impressed to see Tesho land on his feet in Orlando this season.

Top Canadian goal scorer in MLS this year and tied in individual total points with Kaye (goals & assits).

Orlando was awful in MLS last year, dead last in the East.  Teso, Miller & WJ all played a part in at least helping them be competitive this year. 

 

Edited by apbsmith
2nd last in East this year

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Leicester beat Southampton 0-9 today! What does this have to do with the CMNT? It means that Craig Forrest is no longer the sole holder of the record for largest loss in Premier League history. His Ipswich lost 9-0 to Manchester United in 1995.

Welcome to the club Angus Gunn. You are in good company!

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On 10/10/2019 at 9:09 PM, Corazon said:

Canadians in MLS 2019

Player Team Position                           
Mark Anthony Kaye Los Angeles FC CM/LB           Under Contract        
Samuel Piette Montreal Impact CDM            Opt+        
Russell Teibert Vancouver Whitecaps CM/CDM  UC        
Doneil Henry Vancouver Whitecaps CB Transfer        
Tesho Akindele Orlando City ST/W  Opt +        
Jonathan Osorio Toronto FC CM/CAM  UC        
Will Johnson Orlando City CM   FA        
Shamit Shome Montreal Impact CM  Opt+        
Richie Laryea Toronto FC RB/RWB/CM  Opt+        
Derek Cornelious Vancouver Whitecaps CB  UC        
Kamal Miller Orlando City CB  UC        
Zach Brault-Guillard Montreal Impact RB                  Loan        
Theo Bair Vancouver Whitecaps ST  UC        
Liam Fraser Toronto FC CDM  Opt+        
Mathieu Choiniere Montreal Impact CM Opt+         
Jordan Hamilton Columbus Crew ST Opt-        
Jacob Shaffelburg Toronto FC LW UC        
Anthony Jackson-Hamel Montreal Impact ST Negotiations        
Jay Chapman Miami CM/CAM UC        
Tosaint Ricketts Vancouver Whitecaps ST  Opt+        
Clement Bayiha Montreal Impact RB/RWB  Opt+        
Tajon Buchanan New England Revolution ST  UC        
Brett Levis Vancouver Whitecaps LB Opt-        
Ashtone Morgan Toronto FC LB  Opt-        
Ayo Akinola Toronto FC ST  UC        
Raheem Edwards Chicago Fire LWB/LB Opt+        
Dejan Jakovic Los Angeles FC CB Opt-        
Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla Montreal Impact ST/W Loan        
Daniel Kinumbe Montreal Impact LB Opt-        
Brian Wright New England Revolution ST Opt-        
Callum Montgomery FC Dallas CB Opt+        
Thomas Meuilleur-Giguere Montreal Impact Loan Opt-        
Karifa Yao Montreal Impact CB UC        
Luca Ricci   CM FA        
Julian Dunn-Johnson Toronto FC CB Opt+        
Noble Okello Toronto FC CDM UC        
Aidan Daniels Toronto FC Loan Opt-        
Simon Colyn Vancouver Whitecaps CAM UC        
Michael Baldisimo Vancouver Whitecaps CDM UC        
David Norman Jr. Inter Miami CM UC        
               
Player Team Position          
Maxime Crepeau Vancouver Whitecaps GK  UC        
Greg Ranjitsingh Orlando City GK  Opt-        
Dayne St Clair Minnesota United FC GK UC        
James Pantemis Montreal Impact GK Opt+        
Jason Beaulieu Montreal Impact GK Opt-        
Thomas Hasel Vancouver Whitecaps GK UC        
Sean Melvin Vancouver Whitecaps GK Opt-        

Updated with current contract status, thanks to Corazon for the list.

Edited by MM3/MM2/MM

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The waiver draft will take place on Monday at 3PM, Canadians available are:

Jason Beaulieu, Daniel Kinumbe, Thomas Meilleur-Giguere, Greg Ranjitsingh, Aidan Daniels, Sean Melvin.

If not selected they will become free agents within MLS, they are already free agents outside of MLS.

Once the waiver draft is over, teams can start signing free agents, Will Johnson and Ashtone Morgan are the Canadians eligible for free agency.

On Tuesday the re-entry draft will be held, eligible are Hamilton, Jakovic, Jackson-Hamel, Wright, Levis.  Players not selected have their MLS rights retained by their current club.

Head-spinning!

 

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Man MLS rules suck. American sports league rules are almost all ridiculous and needlessly complicated but they mostly make sense because the best players in those sports want to play in those leagues and that's why these silly rules just don't make sense in the MLS 

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15 hours ago, MM3/MM2/MM said:

The waiver draft will take place on Monday at 3PM, Canadians available are:

Jason Beaulieu, Daniel Kinumbe, Thomas Meilleur-Giguere, Greg Ranjitsingh, Aidan Daniels, Sean Melvin.

If not selected they will become free agents within MLS, they are already free agents outside of MLS.

Once the waiver draft is over, teams can start signing free agents, Will Johnson and Ashtone Morgan are the Canadians eligible for free agency.

On Tuesday the re-entry draft will be held, eligible are Hamilton, Jakovic, Jackson-Hamel, Wright, Levis.  Players not selected have their MLS rights retained by their current club.

Head-spinning!

 

The CPL should up the cap by a lot and CPL teams should go after these Canadian players. It would really improve the product on the field. I wish the CPL would think big! But we are Canada we are scared of being bold. 

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3 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

The CPL should up the cap by a lot and CPL teams should go after these Canadian players. It would really improve the product on the field. I wish the CPL would think big! But we are Canada we are scared of being bold. 

I understand where you are coming from but we're going into the leagues second season and it has to be sustainable. Personally I don't think there should be a salary cap at all but we can't have clubs bleeding money so early into a new league. 

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5 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

The CPL should up the cap by a lot and CPL teams should go after these Canadian players. It would really improve the product on the field. I wish the CPL would think big! But we are Canada we are scared of being bold. 

The problem is the failure of previous leagues hangs over us, I would also like to see the cap go up, I think it will in time but I understand the reasoning of being cautious in the beginning!

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Just now, JuicyHam said:

I understand where you are coming from but we're going into the leagues second season and it has to be sustainable. Personally I don't think there should be a salary cap at all but we can't have clubs bleeding money so early into a new league. 

I don’t want teams bleeding money either but isn’t it the chicken and the egg thing here. More teams +  Better players + better product = more fans /more money. 

I understand the need for a salary cap my question is the CPL trying to be tier 1 league or a small development league ? Why can’t we be Bold ? 

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I’m not saying here go out and be crazy and pay 8-10 million for Hutch here. But i am saying go out and get a Will Johnson, a Jordan Hamilton , Anthony Jackson- Hamel, Andre Hainault, Caniggia Elva. 

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I agree. Isn't starting the CPL meant to give Pros a place to play? Keeping MLS guys unattached or forced to play for lower leagues when they have one at home kind of defeats the purpose.

Now, CPL teams will wait for the transfer window and see what happen with whoever's left. Those guys can't expect to be earning as much as they did in MLS. Market Value is a thing and when the entire MLS says "no thank you", cant turnaround and ask over 100k in CPL either.

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Johnson was making just under half a million US so I think he wont be coming to CPL any time soon.  The other guys mentioned by SpecialK are more in our price range if they cant stick with MLS.  

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my issue is that you can’t say your a tier 1 league when USL is bigger and has more valued players in it. Yes you gonna start somewhere. But you can’t say your a Tier 1 league when your being cheap and saying your developing young talent ( the Ottawa senator model hahaha JK) . I worry this is going to be the case. There is a opportunity with some pretty good Canadian talent that basically free agents to really boost the CPL to the world. Also new teams are needed ASAP ! I pray the CPL isn’t stupid like the CFL is ! ( there are plenty of Cities in Canada that can have teams!)

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