General Discussion on CMNT

[Unnamed Trialist]

1 hour ago, eramosat said:

I entirely get it, who knows, they might still be off...very strange how these final numbers did not appear anywhere....only "...and then X more for this...and then Y more for this..." versions! that strangely don't ever tell a complete story somehow...

In any case it covers Marsch's projected salary until 2026.

And does not go through CSB don't think. 

So that's money I'd say you have to use to increase friendlies, and especially get our u-20s and younger age groups more active, men and women. 

[Kadenge]

With Rogers buying out BCE (Bell) ownership in MLSE, I  wonder if this has any impact on the coverage of the CMNT.  TSN's coverage hasn't  been great, but when was the last time Sportsnet had a CMNT game on any of their channels? 

[RS]

10 minutes ago, Kadenge said:

With Rogers buying out BCE (Bell) ownership in MLSE, I  wonder if this has any impact on the coverage of the CMNT.  TSN's coverage hasn't  been great, but when was the last time Sportsnet had a CMNT game on any of their channels? 

Sportsnet had the entire final round of World Cup qualifying for 2022 (minus one game).

 

[Joe MacCarthy]

15 minutes ago, Kadenge said:

When was the last time Sportsnet had a CMNT game on any of their channels? 

Just kidding, I hope.

[Kadenge]

3 hours ago, Joe MacCarthy said:

Just kidding, I hope.

Great goal by Sandro.

[Kadenge]

4 hours ago, RS said:

Sportsnet had the entire final round of World Cup qualifying for 2022 (minus one game).

 

Crazy, I thought it was on TSN. Amazing rewatching all those goals scored  by Larin. 

[red card]

la presse article on Quebec becoming a new incubator of talent due to better development of coaches. 

Nancy is quoted that when he worked with Montreal area South Shore clubs, more than ten years ago, there were already very good players. Quebec had nothing to envy France. But they were trained by parents.

Les temps ont changé. Today, all coaches need at least a Type C license starting with 4 year old kids and regardless of level of competition. This is achieved via six modules and six days of classes. For older kids, a Type B license requires 134 hours of classes. 

You can't become a coach just because you're the only parent available or only person who wants to do it. Instead you must invest in yourself and have a passion for learning and, above all, for the sport.

All kids who want to play can rather than being turned down via try outs and closed off clubs.

Nancy also said in the past too many players stopped playing soccer at age 15. Now the clubs are strong enough to allow them to develop their potential, or simply get them to ask themselves the question whether they want to continue playing or not.

https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/soccer/le-quebec-nouvelle-pepiniere-de-talents/2024-09-21/sur-la-bonne-voie.php?sharing=true

Edited September 21 by red card

[dyslexic nam]

2 minutes ago, red card said:

la presse article on Quebec becoming a new incubator of talent due to better development of coaches. 

Nancy is quoted that when he worked with Montreal area South Shore clubs, more than ten years ago, there were already very good players. Quebec had nothing to envy France. But they were trained by parents.

Les temps ont changé. Today, all coaches need at least a Type C license starting with 4 year old kids and regardless of level of competition. This is achieved via six modules and six days of classes. For older kids, a Type B license requires 134 hours of classes. 

You can't become a coach just because you're the only parent available or only person who wants to do it. Instead you must invest in yourself and have a passion for learning and, above all, for the sport.

All kids who want to play can rather than being turned down via try outs and closed off clubs.

Nancy also said in the past too many players stopped playing soccer at age 15. Now the clubs are strong enough to allow them to develop their potential, or simply get them to ask themselves the question whether they want to continue playing or not.

https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/soccer/le-quebec-nouvelle-pepiniere-de-talents/2024-09-21/sur-la-bonne-voie.php?sharing=true

“All kids who want to play can rather than being turned down via try outs and closed off clubs.“

My experience is the opposite.  Well-meaning but often untrained parent coaches are required in many cases because otherwise kids won’t be able to play.  I am currently coaching my son’s high school “A” team.  It is the second A team for the school and they were only able to field a second team in that division because I took it on.  They had a ton of kids tryout for either the AAA or A team and without a (largely untrained) parent-coach stepping up, 18 kids wouldn’t have played high school soccer this year and absolutely would have been cut via tryouts.    

Not saying requiring more training for all coaches won’t ultimately lead to better players in the province, but there are down sides to that approach and some kids will miss out.  At a time when it can be difficult finding volunteers for amateur sports (I am supposed to also have a team manager and field marshall every summer and have generally had neither), we have to be careful about what we are expecting of volunteers in non-professional environments. I have already done a criminal record check and taken courses on concussions and ethical behaviour.  Add in 6 days of classes as an additional requirement and I simply couldn’t do it.  And I guarantee that many clubs and schools will be fielding fewer teams as a result.  

[Kadenge]

26 minutes ago, red card said:

la presse article on Quebec becoming a new incubator of talent due to better development of coaches. 

Nancy is quoted that when he worked with Montreal area South Shore clubs, more than ten years ago, there were already very good players. Quebec had nothing to envy France. But they were trained by parents.

Les temps ont changé. Today, all coaches need at least aa Type C license starting with 4 year old kids and regardless of level of competition. This is achieved via six modules and six days of classes. For older kids, a Type B license requires 134 hours of classes. 

You can't become a coach just because you're the only parent available or only person who wants to do it. Instead you must invest in yourself and have a passion for learning and, above all, for the sport.

All kids who want to play can rather than being turned down via try outs and closed off clubs.

Nancy also said in the past too many players stopped playing soccer at age 15. Now the clubs are strong enough to allow them to develop their potential, or simply get them to ask themselves the question whether they want to continue playing or not.

https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/soccer/le-quebec-nouvelle-pepiniere-de-talents/2024-09-21/sur-la-bonne-voie.php?sharing=true

In one of the articles on Bombito listed in the above link, it mentions that CF Montreal is the only Cdn Pro club that scouts in Quebec. If that is indeed true, its a travesty. Why wouldn't CPL  scout youth teams in Quebec?

[Unnamed Trialist]

On 9/18/2024 at 6:08 PM, Joe MacCarthy said:

Just kidding, I hope.

I was there, sitting right below the camera in fact. 

There were Canadian flags dotted around the stadium (you can see a few around m. 3:05 behind the goal, but a lot of Spain fans applauded that goal), and lots of Deportivo fans who were asking De Guzman for autographs during the warm-up.

If I recall correctly, I did not realize that it was Sandro who scored until it came up on a replay screen we had hanging in front of the press area.

Edited September 21 by Unnamed Trialist

[Unnamed Trialist]

13 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

I was there, sitting right below the camera in fact. 

There were Canadian flags dotted around the stadium (you can see a few around m. 3:05 behind the goal, but a lot of Spain fans applauded that goal), and lots of Deportivo fans who were asking De Guzman for autographs during the warm-up.

If I recall correctly, I did not realize that it was Sandro who scored until it came up on a replay screen we had hanging in front of the press area.

Another nice detail is the Spain keeper is still active and I think is the only player from that day who is still playing: Pepe Reina.

[Shway]

6 hours ago, Kadenge said:

In one of the articles on Bombito listed in the above link, it mentions that CF Montreal is the only Cdn Pro club that scouts in Quebec. If that is indeed true, it's a travesty. Why wouldn't CPL  scout youth teams in Quebec?

Toronto Fc, and Vancouver aren't allowed based on territory rules.

CPL teams scout Ligue 1 Quebec, and Montreal academy players.

[narduch]

CS St. Laurent just had their roster picked apart after their Voyageurs Cup run. One example is CPL's Valour signing 2 of their players 

Which perhaps makes an argument that we should expand that tournament 

Edited September 22 by narduch

[CanadaFan123]

12 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Another nice detail is the Spain keeper is still active and I think is the only player from that day who is still playing: Pepe Reina.

Sergio Ramos (maybe) too?

[Mihairokov]

6 hours ago, narduch said:

CS St. Laurent just had their roster picked apart after their Voyageurs Cup run. One example is CPL's Valour signing 2 of their players 

Which perhaps makes an argument that we should expand that tournament 

I don't think it's unwarranted to begin looking at giving L1O Cup and L1O Season winners spots in CC. Could do the same for Quebec if the number of teams and quality increases. 

[Kent]

On 9/21/2024 at 4:44 PM, dyslexic nam said:

“All kids who want to play can rather than being turned down via try outs and closed off clubs.“

My experience is the opposite.  Well-meaning but often untrained parent coaches are required in many cases because otherwise kids won’t be able to play.  I am currently coaching my son’s high school “A” team.  It is the second A team for the school and they were only able to field a second team in that division because I took it on.  They had a ton of kids tryout for either the AAA or A team and without a (largely untrained) parent-coach stepping up, 18 kids wouldn’t have played high school soccer this year and absolutely would have been cut via tryouts.    

Not saying requiring more training for all coaches won’t ultimately lead to better players in the province, but there are down sides to that approach and some kids will miss out.  At a time when it can be difficult finding volunteers for amateur sports (I am supposed to also have a team manager and field marshall every summer and have generally had neither), we have to be careful about what we are expecting of volunteers in non-professional environments. I have already done a criminal record check and taken courses on concussions and ethical behaviour.  Add in 6 days of classes as an additional requirement and I simply couldn’t do it.  And I guarantee that many clubs and schools will be fielding fewer teams as a result.  

It's not clear from the article how long these coaching requirements have been in place, but it sounds like this isn't a brand new change, but rather how players like Bombito and Kone were developed. Perhaps they have managed to fulfill the coaching supply to meet the demand. Maybe all it takes is offering a bit of pay then you can get teenagers who play to coach the young kids, or grown ups that want to supplement their day job income. Just like how there always seems to be enough refs, even though it's a far less attractive task than coaching, and also requires some training and passing a test or tests.

Is there anyone here involved in Quebec soccer that can speak to how long these requirements have been in place, and how they solved the problem of finding/creating qualified coaches?

[Mihairokov]

59 minutes ago, Kent said:

Just like how there always seems to be enough refs

Someone else can correct me but my understanding is that there aren't enough referees, or as many as there should be, and if there's any sort of unavailability it causes a bit of a headache. At least at the L1O level there are referees travelling from all over to different areas to make sure there is coverage, to say nothing of the referees that get shipped up to Thunder Bay at considerable cost for matches there. I don't know what the numbers are on new referees that graduate to CPL level each season but it doesn't seem high based on how many matches the CPL referees usually handle in a season. Perhaps my impression is wrong.

I would seriously consider becoming a referee but know the abuse they receive makes it unappealing.

Edited September 25 by Mihairokov

[El Diego]

5 hours ago, Kent said:

It's not clear from the article how long these coaching requirements have been in place, but it sounds like this isn't a brand new change, but rather how players like Bombito and Kone were developed. Perhaps they have managed to fulfill the coaching supply to meet the demand. Maybe all it takes is offering a bit of pay then you can get teenagers who play to coach the young kids, or grown ups that want to supplement their day job income. Just like how there always seems to be enough refs, even though it's a far less attractive task than coaching, and also requires some training and passing a test or tests.

Is there anyone here involved in Quebec soccer that can speak to how long these requirements have been in place, and how they solved the problem of finding/creating qualified coaches?

This is very dependent on area. In MB for example I've heard of teams being told at the start of the season that some games won't have referees because of a shortage. In SK we have full 11v11 games being done without ARs (in Saskatoon at least). Then at higher levels, we don't always have fourth officials when we probably should (or at least, would like to).

Then we get into the issue of ok, we technically have a referee for the match, but are they the right level? In BC you have so many high level leagues that you start pulling less experienced referees for matches they probably shouldn't be doing. We have District level referees doing USport matches when they should be Provincial level (for reference, it goes District -> Regional -> Provincial). Some of these refs for sure are good enough to do that level of match and simply haven't had the time yet to get their upgrade, but it's still what is happening.

4 hours ago, Mihairokov said:

Someone else can correct me but my understanding is that there aren't enough referees, or as many as there should be, and if there's any sort of unavailability it causes a bit of a headache. At least at the L1O level there are referees travelling from all over to different areas to make sure there is coverage, to say nothing of the referees that get shipped up to Thunder Bay at considerable cost for matches there. I don't know what the numbers are on new referees that graduate to CPL level each season but it doesn't seem high based on how many matches the CPL referees usually handle in a season. Perhaps my impression is wrong.

I would seriously consider becoming a referee but know the abuse they receive makes it unappealing.

I can't speak to L1O (though my friend does ref in that league so I could reach out to him, I am curious myself). When you get to the CPL level you're talking about referees on the national list and those in the Next Gen program. To qualify for the Next Gen program you have to apply and their acceptance rates are not that high. People can say what they want about the reffing in CPL/Canada but there are definite standards. So for that level it's not so much that there aren't enough refs who want to do it, rather not enough refs that are accepted.

[Kent]

4 hours ago, Mihairokov said:

Someone else can correct me but my understanding is that there aren't enough referees, or as many as there should be, and if there's any sort of unavailability it causes a bit of a headache. At least at the L1O level there are referees travelling from all over to different areas to make sure there is coverage, to say nothing of the referees that get shipped up to Thunder Bay at considerable cost for matches there. I don't know what the numbers are on new referees that graduate to CPL level each season but it doesn't seem high based on how many matches the CPL referees usually handle in a season. Perhaps my impression is wrong.

I would seriously consider becoming a referee but know the abuse they receive makes it unappealing.

My anecdotal evidence is that the vast majority of the time a referee will be at the game in question. If they aren't, then it's because something came up. I've never in my life had a game cancelled because they couldn't schedule a ref in the first place.

So when I say that there are enough refs, I'm not saying we couldn't use more. I just mean that your kid won't have to sit out for a season because there aren't enough refs to handle the games, like how dyslexic nam was talking about a team almost not having a season because there was no coach until he volunteered (but wouldn't have been able to if he had to go through the training).

[RS]

 

[Watchmen]

I'm excited for Vancouver to get the chance to have a lower attendance for the Gold Cup than everyone anticipates.

[SkuseisLoose]

It'll be nice to have a game in the western half of the country again. Will probably see pretty good turnout.

[Watchmen]

16 minutes ago, SkuseisLoose said:

It'll be nice to have a game in the western half of the country again. Will probably see pretty good turnout.

It will depend on the ticket price and opponent(s).

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

43 minutes ago, Watchmen said:

It will depend on the ticket price and opponent(s).

Can probably count on me and hopefully a few hangers-on to make the trip. 

Edited September 25 by WestHamCanadianinOxford

[Watchmen]

5 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Can probably count on me and hopefully a few hangers-on to make the trip. 

Oh I'll be there, and it will be fine. I'm just preparing for the fans who previously claimed "50k people would have shown up for that game in Vancouver" to suddenly have to defend only 20-25k showing up, while outside of Vancouver it's "that looked like 15k and that's why we can't ever go to Vancouver". We all know the cycle. 😉