General Discussion on CMNT

[archer21]

3 hours ago, Hawkguy said:

What is the rule, if you don't mind my asking?

EDIT: Nevermind, it was easier to find than I thought.

So if Jebbison came over for the Gold Cup, he could "cap himself" at 3 games and still qualify for a transfer to England if they want him in a few years? 

But Lucas Dias could not because there's only 2 1/2 years before he turns 21?

Or is it they can transfer at any time if they are under 21 and less than 3 games?

If you are under 21 when you play your 3 or less games, you can still switch after being inactive internationally for 3 years. Tomori was not eligible still under this rule though since he was already 21 when he played. HOWEVER, the rule that you have to be under 21 when you played was changed to only include players who played after September 2020. So since Tomori played in November 2019, even though he was already 21 when he played, he is eligible to switch in November 2022 if he doesn’t play for England again before then.

[Club Linesman]

52 minutes ago, archer21 said:

So since Tomori played in November 2019, even though he was already 21 when he played, he is eligible to switch in November 2022 if he doesn’t play for England again before then.

So who is starting the Tomori Countdown Thread?

[dyslexic nam]

57 minutes ago, Club Linesman said:

So who is starting the Tomori Countdown Thread?

Ironically, you can pretty much just use this one:

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20221121T00&p0=3268&msg=Qatar+2022+(FIFA+World+Cup

 

[Hawkguy]

1 hour ago, archer21 said:

If you are under 21 when you play your 3 or less games, you can still switch after being inactive internationally for 3 years. Tomori was not eligible still under this rule though since he was already 21 when he played. HOWEVER, the rule that you have to be under 21 when you played was changed to only include players who played after September 2020. So since Tomori played in November 2019, even though he was already 21 when he played, he is eligible to switch in November 2022 if he doesn’t play for England again before then.

So Yankov could technically switch if he stopped playing now in 2023 cause he's under 21? 

[Shway]

Harry Maguire (28), John Stones (27), Kyle Waker (31), Tyrone Mings(28), Connor Coady (28), Ben White (23), Ben Godfrey (23, Eric Dier (27), Michael Keane (28), Joe Gomez (24)  are all ahead of him at the moment.

That's a lot! 

However the reality is the 3 match windows, meaning bigger squads, 5 subs remain, which mean a lot of squad rotation. I can see him being called in at some point, reason why it would be important for us to stay active with him. 

Kennedy & Tomori .....my lord

[Shway]

2 minutes ago, Hawkguy said:

So Yankov could technically switch if he stopped playing now in 2023 cause he's under 21? 

He's played too many games. I believe the limit is under 3. 
He gones!

[Corazon]

6 minutes ago, Hawkguy said:

So Yankov could technically switch if he stopped playing now in 2023 cause he's under 21? 

He's now up to 6 games played for Bulgaria.  He's gone.  His loss in my opinion but we are getting so deep that he may reach more caps for Bulgaria in a couple years than he would for an entire career with Canada.  Assuming he doesn't progress much more than where he currently is.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Corazon

[Hawkguy]

7 minutes ago, Corazon said:

He's now up to 6 games played for Bulgaria.  He's gone.  His loss in my opinion but we are getting so deep that he may reach more caps for Bulgaria in a couple years than he would for an entire career with Canada.  Assuming he doesn't progress much more than where he currently is.

4 of those games are friendlies which do not count. 

I personally don't care about him, just trying to understand the rule fully! 

[Mikmacdo]

8 minutes ago, Shway said:

Harry Maguire (28), John Stones (27), Kyle Waker (31), Tyrone Mings(28), Connor Coady (28), Ben White (23), Ben Godfrey (23, Eric Dier (27), Michael Keane (28), Joe Gomez (24)  are all ahead of him at the moment.

That's a lot! 

However the reality is the 3 match windows, meaning bigger squads, 5 subs remain, which mean a lot of squad rotation. I can see him being called in at some point, reason why it would be important for us to stay active with him. 

Kennedy & Tomori .....my lord

Walker is a right back and old. There's nothing elite at CB for England. Gomez healthy is probably the best out of the bunch and he had a major injury. Id be stunned if tomori isn't called up in the next year. Eric Dier? Lol he's so bad. Coady is only good in a back three. 

[Shway]

17 minutes ago, Mikmacdo said:

Walker is a right back and old. There's nothing elite at CB for England. Gomez healthy is probably the best out of the bunch and he had a major injury. Id be stunned if tomori isn't called up in the next year. Eric Dier? Lol he's so bad. Coady is only good in a back three. 

Walker is a RB but can most definitely play CB. Since when was 31 old for a CB?
I agree that their CB's are the best, but reality is Tomori wasn't even listed in the provisional roster. 

Euros this year, WC next year...I can't see things changing drastically for him. Even moreso to the fact he's out of the PL.

[Acid-Tone]

2 hours ago, archer21 said:

If you are under 21 when you play your 3 or less games, you can still switch after being inactive internationally for 3 years. Tomori was not eligible still under this rule though since he was already 21 when he played. HOWEVER, the rule that you have to be under 21 when you played was changed to only include players who played after September 2020. So since Tomori played in November 2019, even though he was already 21 when he played, he is eligible to switch in November 2022 if he doesn’t play for England again before then.

Being a Canadian soccer fan is an amazing f*cking ride man!

[SpecialK]

45 minutes ago, Hawkguy said:

So Yankov could technically switch if he stopped playing now in 2023 cause he's under 21? 

No I don’t think so because he’s played like 5 games

[Hawkguy]

1 hour ago, SpecialK said:

No I don’t think so because he’s played like 5 games

He's only played two official matches. 

[SthMelbRed]

14 hours ago, Hawkguy said:

What is the rule, if you don't mind my asking?

EDIT: Nevermind, it was easier to find than I thought.

So if Jebbison came over for the Gold Cup, he could "cap himself" at 3 games and still qualify for a transfer to England if they want him in a few years? 

But Lucas Dias could not because there's only 2 1/2 years before he turns 21?

Or is it they can transfer at any time if they are under 21 and less than 3 games?

Anybody who plays in the Gold Cup, as a confederation championship finals tournament, is permanently tied to Canada, regardless of age or how long they wait between caps. Same with anybody who plays in a World Cup. 

On your other point, they can change associations at any age, as long as they haven't exceeded 3 caps, none of those caps came after they turned 21 or at a continental championship or world cup finals, and the period since their last cap is 3 years or longer.

[narduch]

People were wondering about Crepeau's absence 

 

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

15 hours ago, Hawkguy said:

He's only played two official matches. 

It doesn't matter whether official or not. 

"was fielded in no more than three matches at “A” international level in any kind of football for his current association, whether in an official competition or non-official competition:"

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/commentary-on-the-rules-governing-eligibility-to-participate-for-representative-.pdf?cloudid=ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi

pg 31.

 

 

[TGAA_Star]

But getting to the Octo...already made my predictions yesterday about who my 8 teams would be which are:

USA, Mexico, Jamaica, Honduras, Costa Rica, Canada, El Salvador and Panama

But that being said how do I think the Octo plays out:

- Mexico in pole position in 1st place qualifying directly for Qatar

- USA gets redemption for 2018 and they qualify directly for Qatar in 2nd place

- Costa Rica qualifies yet again but doing so in the 3rd place spot

- For that 4th place playoff spot I think Canada gets that spot and we go on to the intercontinental play off representing CONCACAF and with the Intercontinental playoff we could face either an Asian team from AFC or a team from South America (CONMEBOL)

[Kent]

Seriously, when are they going to determine which confederations play which in the intercontinental playoffs? Are they waiting to see which nations are in it to try to get rid of whichever ones they don't want? Like "ew, Curacao made it to the playoff, let's put them against the South Americans so they don't make it, and China is in for Asia, so let's put them against New Zealand to give them a shot."

[dyslexic nam]

14 minutes ago, Kent said:

Seriously, when are they going to determine which confederations play which in the intercontinental playoffs? Are they waiting to see which nations are in it to try to get rid of whichever ones they don't want? Like "ew, Curacao made it to the playoff, let's put them against the South Americans so they don't make it, and China is in for Asia, so let's put them against New Zealand to give them a shot."

There is no way a reputable organization like FIFA would try to stage-manage things like that...
 

🙄

[narduch]

14 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

There is no way a reputable organization like FIFA would try to stage-manage things like that...
 

🙄

FIFA is usually on the level when it comes to draws like that.

Concacaf on the other hand would definitely doctor it.

[BrennanFan]

2 hours ago, Kent said:

Seriously, when are they going to determine which confederations play which in the intercontinental playoffs? Are they waiting to see which nations are in it to try to get rid of whichever ones they don't want? Like "ew, Curacao made it to the playoff, let's put them against the South Americans so they don't make it, and China is in for Asia, so let's put them against New Zealand to give them a shot."

FIFA claims it is a random draw, but in fact they follow a rotation pattern:

2006: Concacaf v. Asia

2010: Concacaf v. Conmebol

2014: Concacaf v. Oceania

2018: Concacaf v. Asia

Given the above, I believe we can all expect Concacaf to "draw" Conmebol in the intercontinental playoff.  Peru, Chile, Paraguay or Ecuador are the likely opponents.

Bottom line, should we get past Haiti, we will need to finish top 3 and directly qualify.  Sneaking in via the intercontinental playoff this cycle will be exceedingly tough.  

Edited June 10, 2021 by BrennanFan

[TGAA_Star]

1 minute ago, BrennanFan said:

FIFA claims it is a random draw, but in fact they follow a rotation pattern:

2006: Concacaf v. Asia

2010: Concacaf v. Conmebol

2014: Concacaf v. Oceania

2018: Concacaf v. Asia

Given the above, I believe we can all expect Concacaf to "draw" Conmebol in the intercontinental playoff.  Peru, Chile, Paraguay or Ecuador are the likely opponents.

Bottom line, should we get past Haiti, we will need to finish top 3 and directly qualify.  Sneaking in via the intercontinental playoff is cycle would be exceedingly tough.  

If it is CONCACAF vs CONMEBOL Canada going up against Peru, Chile, Paraguay or Ecuador...any of those matches on paper would be tough match ups but match ups I would pay to see

[Corazon]

I figured I would put this out during this current break from MLS.

Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver	ST	7	7	630	1	1
Richie Laryea	Toronto	RB	7	7	630	1	0
Alistair Johnston	Nashville	RB	7	7	630	0	0
Mark Anthony Kaye	Los Angeles	CM	7	7	601	0	1
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver	LB	6	6	540	0	2
Kamal Miller	Montreal	CB	6	6	540	0	0
Tesho Akindele	Orlando	ST	7	7	537	2	2
Tajon Buchanan	New England	RW	8	6	478	1	1
Russell Teibert	Vancouver	CM	6	6	462	0	0
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal	RB	5	5	410	1	2
Samuel Piette	Montreal	CM	5	4	384	0	2
Ayo Akinola	Toronto	ST	6	4	323	1	0
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver	CM	5	2	300	0	0
Jay Chapman	Miami	CM	6	3	279	0	0
Joel Waterman	Montreal	CB	3	3	258	0	0
Tyler Pasher	Houston	ST	4	3	256	1	1
Luke Singh	Toronto	CB	3	2	225	1	0
Jacob Shaffelburg	Toronto	LW	5	2	208	1	0
Ralph Priso	Toronto	CM	4	3	196	0	0
Zorhan Bassong	Montreal	LB	5	1	192	0	1
Clement Bayiha	Montreal	RB	4	2	188	0	0
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver	CB	4	1	140	0	0
Noble Okello	Toronto	CM	3	2	132	0	0
Jayden Nelson	Toronto	RW	3	2	113	0	0
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal	CM	2	1	111	0	0
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver	CM	7	1	104	0	1
Liam Fraser	Columbus (from Toronto)	CM	3	0	87	0	0
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto	CM	2	1	84	1	0
Jordan Peruzza	Toronto (to San Antonio)	ST	1	0	45	0	0
Raheem Edwards	Los Angeles	LW	3	0	42	0	0
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto	CM	2	0	35	0	1
Kamron Habibullah	Vancouver	CM	2	0	30	0	0
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver	ST	1	0	26	0	0
Theo Bair	Vancouver	ST	2	0	15	0	0
Ashtone Morgan	Salt Lake	LB	1	0	14	0	0
Patrick Metcalfe	Vancouver	CM	1	0	1	0	0
Damiano Pecile	Vancouver (to Venezia)	CM
Simon Colyn	Vancouver (to SPAL)	CM
Gianfranco Facchineri	Vancouver	CB
Rocco Romeo	Toronto	CB
Julian Dunn-Johnson	Toronto	CB
Sean Rea	Montreal (to Valour FC)	CM
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal (to FC Edmonton)	CM
Karifa Yao	Montreal (to Cavalry FC)	CB
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal (to Atletico Ottawa)	CB
Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla	Montreal	ST
Jean-Aniel Assi	Montreal	ST
Nathan-Dylan Saliba	Montreal	CM
Rida Zouhir	Montreal	C
Callum Montgomery	Minnesota	CB
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA
Maxime Crepeau	Vancouver	GK	7	7	630	22	9
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	4	4	360	11	10
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK	1	1	90	1	0
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK
Greg Ranjitsingh	Philadelphia	GK
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal (to Valour FC)	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK
Sebastian Breza	Montreal (from Bologna)	GK

[Corazon]

If anyone knows any Canadian players that I have missed from the USL Championship, please let me know.

Player	Current Club	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A
Ryan James	Birmingham Legion FC	Defender	7	7	630	0	1
Aidan Daniels	Oklahoma City Energy	Midfielder	7	7	606	0	0
Malik Johnson	Real Monarchs	Midfielder	6	6	444	0	1
Jordan Hamilton	Indy Eleven	Forward	7	4	423	3	0
Skylar Thomas	Memphis 901 FC	Defender	4	4	360	0	0
Karl Ouimette	Indy Eleven	Defender	5	4	347	1	0
Kembo Kibato	FC Tulsa	Midfielder	5	3	285	0	0
Adonijah Reid	Miami FC	Forward	5	1	151	1	0
Massimo Ferrin	Loudon FC United	Forward	4	1	126	0	0
Matthew Srbely	Tampa Bay Rowdies	Midfielder	3	1	95	0	0
Ashtone Morgan	Real Monarchs	Defender	1	1	90	0	0
Dayonn Harris	Tampa Bay Rowdies	Midfielder	3	1	78	0	0
Jordan Peruzza	San Antonio	Forward	3	0	62	1	0
Zachary Ellis-Hayden	Oklahoma City Energy	Defender	3	0	42	0	0
Carl Haworth	Indy Eleven	Defender
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA
Sean Melvin	Colorado Springs Switchbacks	Goalkeeper	1	1	90	1	1

Edited June 10, 2021 by Corazon

[Hawkguy]

7 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

It doesn't matter whether official or not. 

"was fielded in no more than three matches at “A” international level in any kind of football for his current association, whether in an official competition or non-official competition:"

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/commentary-on-the-rules-governing-eligibility-to-participate-for-representative-.pdf?cloudid=ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi

pg 31.

 

 

Cool thanks. The source I was looking at said official matches, but yours is obviously correct since it is FIFA. 

So now, with this rule change, friendlies even become important which is good. I didn't like that someone could play a bunch of friendlies and still transfer.