SpecialK Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, VinceA said: On the flipside multiple media members mentioned he got the CSA to spend big figures on a trip to Portugal and he ended up going to one game and didn't even meet with Eustaquio. I wish we had better football Journalists. So they can really get down to the bottom of this. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The thing with That Portugal trip he met with Ferreira. Remember I’m pretty sure Eustaquio, was still in 2nd division and with youth Portugal team( I could be wrong). Also he already knew Canada was an option because he brother played for Canada. And there was video with him in Canada gear before he signed on. I know Oz did heavily pursue Bryan, I even remember watching an Atalanta and he was there watching, they showed OZ on TV. there was definitely some weird stuff what happened Shway and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norrin Radd Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What does it mean that the CSA never followed up? Isn't that his responsibility as the coach? Who else is supposed to do it? SpecialK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Norrin Radd said: What does it mean that the CSA never followed up? Isn't that his responsibility as the coach? Who else is supposed to do it? I wonder that too. Things don’t add up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 An ex-employee, who departed under poor circumstances, is probably about the least reliable/objective kind of opinion you could seek. Not saying there is no truth in anything he is saying, but it would be hard to find a more biased source of info than one party in a two-sided conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The reality is e CSA is a shitshow...that’s something that’s consistently been discussed. OPDL is a shitshow money grabbing machine, that will eventually miss a lot of guys due to the astronomical fees. These are the realities. Junkie and Corazon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, Shway said: The reality is e CSA is a shitshow...that’s something that’s consistently been discussed. OPDL is a shitshow money grabbing machine, that will eventually miss a lot of guys due to the astronomical fees. These are the realities. 100% it just no one reports on it or ask the CSA tough questions. Finally an interview into the mess. I do find it interesting John leaves The CPL and boom right now this interview happens. I bet if he stayed at the CPL this interview doesn’t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: An ex-employee, who departed under poor circumstances, is probably about the least reliable/objective kind of opinion you could seek. Not saying there is no truth in anything he is saying, but it would be hard to find a more biased source of info than one party in a two-sided conflict. The guy I fired last week said that I was a terrible manager and that he was the only one in the company that had any idea what he was doing... h coach, An Observer, Junkie and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, El Hombre said: The guy I fired last week said that I was a terrible manager and that he was the only one in the company that had any idea what he was doing... The exception that proves the rule? Junkie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, El Hombre said: The guy I fired last week said that I was a terrible manager and that he was the only one in the company that had any idea what he was doing... Hmmm, I heard the same thing about you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Hmmm, I heard the same thing about you.... I never said he was wrong.... Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Must be real dickhead to be firing anyone in these times 😆 Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigzTFC Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I don't think Zambrano can be outright dismissed in his commentary. He clearly has an ego but you would expect that out of a coach. He's harped on the pay for play system. He stated in the article that we need to tap into "immigrants" and the pay for play system doesn't allow for that. To a degree that could be true. I think soccer is affordable to play and Canada offers good soccer infrastructure but lacks quality amateur coaches. I would argue that most of our players are 1st generation immigrants. I can see how he met resistance. He wants soccer to be free without the pro teams to subsidize it. He went on recruiting trips to visit everyone. He also didn't really want to report to anyone or respect any of the coaches within the system (he wanted fire Gale). Bottom line, Zambrano's solutions of eliminating pay for play across the country is a non-starter and would destroy the amateur soccer pyramid without a realistic solution. You can argue whether it's good or bad but it cannot be done without pro teams offering transfer fees for players in volume. It also not an item to focus on as a head coach IMO. He resume also shows he only lasts 1-2 years in any coaching role. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavio_Zambrano gator, Obinna and N1ckbr0wn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 15 hours ago, El Hombre said: The guy I fired last week said that I was a terrible manager and that he was the only one in the company that had any idea what he was doing... His outlandish claim about being the only guy at the company who knows what he's doing clearly means anything else he's ever said should be dismissed as untrue beyond a shadow of a doubt. Kind of like Zambrano! Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: An ex-employee, who departed under poor circumstances, is probably about the least reliable/objective kind of opinion you could seek. Not saying there is no truth in anything he is saying, but it would be hard to find a more biased source of info than one party in a two-sided conflict. Unless that person is pushing a narrative you already support, then it's "proof." Edited April 21, 2021 by BearcatSA dyslexic nam and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, DigzTFC said: I don't think Zambrano can be outright dismissed in his commentary. He clearly has an ego but you would expect that out of a coach. He's harped on the pay for play system. He stated in the article that we need to tap into "immigrants" and the pay for play system doesn't allow for that. To a degree that could be true. I think soccer is affordable to play and Canada offers good soccer infrastructure but lacks quality amateur coaches. I would argue that most of our players are 1st generation immigrants. I can see how he met resistance. He wants soccer to be free without the pro teams to subsidize it. He went on recruiting trips to visit everyone. He also didn't really want to report to anyone or respect any of the coaches within the system (he wanted fire Gale). Bottom line, Zambrano's solutions of eliminating pay for play across the country is a non-starter and would destroy the amateur soccer pyramid without a realistic solution. You can argue whether it's good or bad but it cannot be done without pro teams offering transfer fees for players in volume. It also not an item to focus on as a head coach IMO. He resume also shows he only lasts 1-2 years in any coaching role. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavio_Zambrano I gotta read the interview. FWIW I had been told that he was fired for a good reason and they didn’t really have a choice but I don’t know what that reason is and they’re CSA biased. Interesting to finally hear some of the changes he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Apologies for being vague, but I have heard specific stories about OZ's time as manager with the CANMNT that paint him as being pretty unprofessional. Not financial stuff like mentioned in the Union piece, but more in line with the stuff posted in the Sun piece by Larson. Whatever one may think of the subsequent Herdman hiring, I think we dodged a bullet with OZ. JamboAl and Dominic94 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 hours ago, El Diego said: Apologies for being vague, but I have heard specific stories about OZ's time as manager with the CANMNT that paint him as being pretty unprofessional. Not financial stuff like mentioned in the Union piece, but more in line with the stuff posted in the Sun piece by Larson. Whatever one may think of the subsequent Herdman hiring, I think we dodged a bullet with OZ. I've heard quite the opposite. It's been suggested to me any such stories about OZ are simply cover stories to justify replacing OZ with Herdman / meeting Herdman's inflated salary demands / stop Herdman from walking away from the CSA altogether. Where the truth is, who knows. Probably a mix of everything. It's all speculation until the CSA sets the record straight, which of course they will never do. Corazon, Nate3322, canucklefan and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: I've heard quite the opposite. It's been suggested to me any such stories about OZ are simply cover stories to justify replacing OZ with Herdman / meeting Herdman's inflated salary demands / stop Herdman from walking away from the CSA altogether. Where the truth is, who knows. Probably a mix of everything. It's all speculation until the CSA sets the record straight, which of course they will never do. Interesting. I trust where I got my info from (though I am not saying that means you are being untruthful). The story I heard won't ever come out in any official capacity, if it is indeed true. Would be pretty machiavellian of the CSA to throw out really odd stories to slander OZ. Ruffian, Dominic94 and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Despite everything all the players under Herdman seem to really love him so at least that's something positive. SpecialK, Obinna, Junkie and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) I can’t prove anything but during that time frame it really sounded like it was Game of Thrones at the CSA. Herdman had his supporters and minor success. He saw that the men’s team turned the page had some real talent, put a gun the head of the board who are bunch of old university profs. Also I really think Jason De Vos played a huge role because once Herdman got hired he was added to the coaching staff and basically Herdman took his old job. I do think Oz wanted to spend money and do something huge and the CSA wasn’t haven’t it. Right away he said we need to play the big boys and really that never happen, they played scotland and that’s it. Same with Herdman the CSA doesn’t want to spend the money for bigger games or hosting anything. I’m happy they went to that French youth tournament a few years old. The CSA are small minded people. Edited April 21, 2021 by SpecialK Dominic94 and Junkie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, VinceA said: Despite everything all the players under Herdman seem to really love him so at least that's something positive. They weren’t that happen when Herdman screw us vs Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Let’s put it this way no relevant men’s program in the world Would have hired Herdman if he just came from the women’s team like he did with Canada. He saw his only opportunity. Shway and Junkie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, VinceA said: Despite everything all the players under Herdman seem to really love him so at least that's something positive. I'd expect nothing less from professional players, even if each camp was a total shit show behind the scenes. Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I am surprised no one is talking about this. Like Rollins, or other Canadian soccer media or pobcasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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