Kent Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 2:39 PM, MtlMario said: I was just wondering how many points we would pick up winning all our games till we qualify for the oct? I just calculated it. We would get about 19.5 points for winning our 4 games against Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Aruba, and Suriname. If everyone elses rankings stay the same that would move us from 72 up to 68 in the world, passing South Africa, El Salvador (important to move past CONCACAF rivals), Iraq and Bulgaria. Of course if those nations gain points as well, we might not pass them, and we could pass others that drop points. johnyb, MtlMario, Nello and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer21 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Kent said: Rankings don't get us into the Gold Cup, but the teams that do qualify are then put into pots for a Gold Cup draw to determine the groups. For example, if we get our ranking into the top 4 in CONCACAF, we won't have to deal with having Mexico or USA in our group (assuming they are still ranked in the top 4 as well of course). We were in the 2nd pot for the 2021 Gold Cup draw (6th ranked among qualified teams) and ended up drawing USA's group. That makes it very difficult to win the group, so if we finish 2nd in our group we will have to face a group winner. So rankings are still a big deal, but it's just going to be a while before it is a factor. Gold Cup usually uses CONCACAF rankings for determining the pots, not FIFA rankings. Assuming that doesn’t change, FIFA rankings still don’t matter until 2024 WCQ. Shway and Kent 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, archer21 said: Gold Cup usually uses CONCACAF rankings for determining the pots, not FIFA rankings. Assuming that doesn’t change, FIFA rankings still don’t matter until 2024 WCQ. True! I had forgotten that, thanks. And of course if we do end up getting a guaranteed spot for the 2026 World Cup, our FIFA ranking doesn't matter until qualifying for 2030. Although I suppose for draws for the actual World Cup proper, if we qualify for 2022 it would be used to determine our pot I believe. I think hosts are usually put in the top pot, so our ranking might not matter for 2026 World Cup proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 15 hours ago, archer21 said: Gold Cup usually uses CONCACAF rankings for determining the pots, not FIFA rankings. Assuming that doesn’t change, FIFA rankings still don’t matter until 2024 WCQ. I don't know why I didn't come to this conclusion when I initially read your comment, but I think this means I need to look into CONCACAF rankings next. Maybe tomorrow. Will have to look up how they are calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 OK, I finally got around to looking into how the CONCACAF rankings are calculated. It started out promising, with a formula, and some definitions of the variables in the formula, until we got to the last variable. They don't give enough information. https://concacaf-cloudinary.corebine.com/concacaf-production/image/upload/v1535044241/concacaf-prod/assets/Concacaf_Men_s_National_Team_Ranking_Overview.pdf "E = Expected result of the match The expected odds of a match are based on the ranking difference between the two teams and the home field advantage." It goes on to say that E = P(win) - P(loss), but doesn't tell you how to come up with P(win) and P(loss). Maybe I'll be able to determine how to calculate them after some results. Hopefully they update the rankings promptly to make the job easier, and hopefully I have the chops to be able to figure it out so I can calculate hypothetical point changes going forward. beachesl and Red and White 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Good luck Kent. Over the years, most of what CONCACAF has been shown to do has been only superficially based on rules, and the vaguer the "variables", the better as far they are concerned. "Draws" have actually been pre-selected schedules based on increasing income, as with any rule they can bend (such as fictional offsides to ensure the most popular teams make it to the Gold Cup finals) for their purposes. So, undefinable and undetermined variables would be an expected tool they could use to do what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, beachesl said: Good luck Kent. Over the years, most of what CONCACAF has been shown to do has been only superficially based on rules, and the vaguer the "variables", the better as far they are concerned. "Draws" have actually been pre-selected schedules based on increasing income, as with any rule they can bend (such as fictional offsides to ensure the most popular teams make it to the Gold Cup finals) for their purposes. So, undefinable and undetermined variables would be an expected tool they could use to do what they want. Yeah, I figure either the missing part is missing deliberately to allow some "creativity" or it's just complex enough that they couldn't be bothered to write it out to share with everyone. I played around a bit last night on some guesses, and the more I think about it the more I think the best I can do is get in good guesses. Nello 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) With our 2 wins this break Canada’s ranking will improve its rating to 1341.0 and +3 to 70th El Salvador with their win and tie will move to 1,341.1 and rise +1 on the rankings to 69th. Long term these rankings actually do matter but I can’t believe we’re going to be 0.1 rating points behind El Salvador lol. Canada has to just keep winning. edits- Honduras is at 1,364.3 and 64th ranked as the 5th place team in CONCACAF in case anyone is interested. Edited March 30, 2021 by baulderdash77 Honduras ranking. lamptern, Ruffian, red card and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Best 11 as of today: Fwd: Cavallini, David Mid: Larin, Davies, Eustaquio, Hutchinson Def: Adekugbe, Vitoria, Miller, Laryea GK: Borjan Subs Fwd: Millar, Hoilett Mid: Osorio, Arfield, Kaye, Piette Def: Gutierrez, Henry, Cornelius, Johnston GK: Crepeau, DSC Injury Cover Options Fwd: Corbeanu, Buchanan Mid: Teibert, Fraser, Baldisimo FB: Godinho, ZBG, Cordova CB: Waterman, Ferreira, Sturing, James, Kennedy, Zator, Didic GK: Pantemis, Carducci, Hasal Ivan, Corazon and Dominic94 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: Best 11 as of today: Fwd: Cavallini, David Mid: Larin, Davies, Eustaquio, Hutchinson Def: Adekugbe, Vitoria, Miller, Laryea GK: Borjan Subs Fwd: Millar, Hoilett Mid: Osorio, Arfield, Kaye, Piette Def: Gutierrez, Henry, Cornelius, Johnston GK: Crepeau, DSC Injury Cover Options Fwd: Corbeanu, Buchanan Mid: Teibert, Fraser, Baldisimo FB: Godinho, ZBG, Cordova CB: Waterman, Ferreira, Sturing, James, Kennedy, Zator, Didic GK: Pantemis, Carducci, Hasal Thats not a bad Gold Cup team, think Hasal would start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 That's crazy that now we can field 3.5 starting lineups, easy, and I'd be happy and confident with all three against just about all CONCACAF opposition apart from the top 8 teams. Even for the top 8 countries, I would trust this #2 lineup to be competitive. (happy sigh, shakes head) Amazing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 We should be moving up at least a spot or two in the fifa rankings after our last two games Dominic94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, shorty said: That's crazy that now we can field 3.5 starting lineups, easy, and I'd be happy and confident with all three against just about all CONCACAF opposition apart from the top 8 teams. Even for the top 8 countries, I would trust this #2 lineup to be competitive. (happy sigh, shakes head) Amazing.... I think against everyone but the top 4 we’d have a fighting chance more than not and would probably win the fight. Jamaica CR and the big 2 are the ones we wouldn’t take imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) So it appears that Remko Bicentini attended both the January camp and the recent 2 WCQ games in March. The articles below have pics of him with Cavallini, Herdman & MAK. He is currently completing his UEFA Pro training at NEC and will join Canada for the June WCQ games Bicentini wint met Canada met 11-0 | Curacao.nu Bicentini heeft weer een ‘wereldjob’, nu als assistent-coach van Canada | Regiosport | gelderlander.nl Edited April 15, 2021 by Kadenge Olympique_de_Marseille, narduch and johnyb 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ckbr0wn Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Both ZBG and Gutierrez make the first edition of this seasons MLS TOTW sebdeserio, johnyb, Kadenge and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, N1ckbr0wn said: Both ZBG and Gutierrez make the first edition of this seasons MLS TOTW You could make the case for Laryea being there too, this sudden emergence of fullbacks is nice to see. N1ckbr0wn and dyslexic nam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bdog said: You could make the case for Laryea being there too, this sudden emergence of fullbacks is nice to see. Johnston had a very solid game for Nashville as well. Nate3322 and N1ckbr0wn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 https://www.tfcrepublic.ca/octavio-zambrano-canmnt-canada-soccer/ Haven’t seen it posted anywhere else yet. Not modest when it comes to players he recruited to the program that’s for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I do find it interesting nobody is talking about the Oz interview. Maybe that’s the real reason why John left CPL because he was afraid of back lash from the CSA and CPL. CSA mafia 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 hours ago, trc2014 said: https://www.tfcrepublic.ca/octavio-zambrano-canmnt-canada-soccer/ Haven’t seen it posted anywhere else yet. Not modest when it comes to players he recruited to the program that’s for sure. I don't trust what the guy has to say, even less than Herdman. h coach, Bison44, Mikmacdo and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 hours ago, trc2014 said: https://www.tfcrepublic.ca/octavio-zambrano-canmnt-canada-soccer/ Haven’t seen it posted anywhere else yet. Not modest when it comes to players he recruited to the program that’s for sure. Can someone post the full text or a summary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: Can someone post the full text or a summary? Summary only...full text aren’t allowed to be posted here, especially when it comes to paid Canadian content. ray, gator and Ivan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Saw this on Twitter. If thats true .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 It seems there's a reason why he hasn't coached in MLS anymore. https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/a-football-podcast/1v1-that-time-jimmy-conrad-AdCoNmtEMSF/ (around 13 minute mark) https://phillysoccerpage.net/2015/09/30/who-is-octavio-zambrano/ https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/botched-hiring-canada-sacks-octavio-zambrano-after-tumultuous-tenure-leaving-john-herdman-to-pick-up-the-pieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, SpecialK said: Saw this on Twitter. If thats true .... On the flipside multiple media members mentioned he got the CSA to spend big figures on a trip to Portugal and he ended up going to one game and didn't even meet with Eustaquio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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