General Discussion on CMNT

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[One American]

Canada seems to be moving out of the "We have to cap-tie this player" era. The USMNT doesn't really do that with marginal players. Not a fan of predatory capping. 

[Corazon]

Canadians in MLS Update:

Hard to compare with last season given the shortened and compact season but for perspective:

2020 season has seen 32 Canadian or Canadian eligible outfield players compared to 30 last season.

2020 season has seen 5 Canadian or Canadian eligible goalkeepers compared to 2 last season.

Hoping for a couple more young academy players to get some playing time as the season comes to an end.

Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A
Samuel Piette	Montreal Impact	CM	18	18	1601	1	1
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal Impact	RB	18	16	1519	0	1
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto FC	CM	16	16	1363	1	3
Russell Teibert	Vancouver Whitecaps	CM	16	16	1334	0	0
Richie Laryea	Toronto FC	RB	16	12	1159	4	4
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver Whitecaps	ST	14	13	1157	5	0
Mark Anthony Kaye	Los Angeles FC	CM	15	15	1093	3	4
Dejan Jakovic	Los Angeles FC	CB	15	12	1030	1	0
Alistair Johnston	Nashville SC	RB	14	11	1006	0	1
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver Whitecaps	CB	12	10	921	0	0
Ayo Akinola	Toronto FC	ST	13	9	888	8	0
Tajon Buchanan	New England Revolution	RW	18	7	760	1	1
Kamal Miller	Orlando City	LB	10	7	658	0	0
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver Whitecaps	CM	11	6	602	1	3
Tesho Akindele	Orlando City	ST	12	5	537	2	0
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver Whitecaps	LB	9	5	484	0	0
Theo Bair	Vancouver Whitecaps	ST	11	5	377	1	0
Joel Waterman	Montreal Impact	CB	5	4	369	0	1
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver Whitecaps	CM	14	1	319	0	1
Liam Fraser	Toronto FC	CM	10	3	298	0	0
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver Whitecaps	ST	12	3	291	1	0
Shamit Shome	Montreal Impact	CM	11	4	281	0	0
Raheem Edwards	Minnesota United	LW	11	2	251	0	3
Jay Chapman	Inter Miami CF	CM	8	2	200	0	0
Patrick Metcalfe	Vancouver Whitecaps	CM	7	2	200	0	0
Karifa Yao	Montreal Impact	CB	2	1	127	0	0
Jayden Nelson	Toronto FC	RW	4	1	114	0	0
Jacob Shaffelburg	Toronto FC	LW	3	1	94	0	0
Anthony Jackson-Hamel	Montreal Impact	ST	5	1	88	0	0
Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla	Montreal Impact	ST	4	0	85	1	0
Clement Bayiha	Montreal Impact	RB	3	1	63	0	0
Noble Okello	Toronto FC (Loan)	CM	1	0	22	0	0
Jordan Hamilton	Columbus Crew	ST
Callum Montgomery	FC Dallas (Loan)	CB
David Norman Jr.	Inter Miami CF	CM
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal Impact	CM
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal Impact	CB
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal Impact	CM
Ashtone Morgan	Real Salt Lake	LB
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto FC	CM
Ralph Priso	Toronto FC	CM
Julian Dunn-Johnson	Toronto FC (Loan)	CB
Rocco Romeo	Toronto FC (Loan)	CB
Damiano Pelice	Vancouver Whitecaps	CM
Georges Mukumbilwa	Vancouver Whitecaps	CM
Gianfranco Facchineri	Vancouver Whitecaps (Loan)	CB
Simon Colyn	Vancouver Whitecaps (Loan)	CM
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota United FC	GK	9	9	810	35	9
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver Whitecaps	GK	9	8	752	35	14
Maxime Crepeau	Vancouver Whitecaps	GK	4	4	328	12	10
Greg Ranjitsingh	Minnesota United FC	GK	3	3	270	15	8
James Pantemis	Montreal Impact	GK	2	2	180	9	4
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal Impact	GK
Jason Beaulieu	Montreal Impact	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver Whitecaps	GK

Edited October 19, 2020 by Corazon

[Norrin Radd]

@Corazon Thank you for maintaining the list. If it's not too much hassle you may wish to correct the spelling of Hasal.

[scooterlawrence5]

It's unfortunate that we don't have a larger inventory of Canadian goalkeepers at domestic clubs. Why does Canada not have a pipeline of elite level goalkeepers coming through?

[SpecialK]

2 hours ago, scooterlawrence5 said:

It's unfortunate that we don't have a larger inventory of Canadian goalkeepers at domestic clubs. Why does Canada not have a pipeline of elite level goalkeepers coming through?

We do ? They are playing in Italy haha 

 

[SthMelbRed]

3 hours ago, scooterlawrence5 said:

It's unfortunate that we don't have a larger inventory of Canadian goalkeepers at domestic clubs. Why does Canada not have a pipeline of elite level goalkeepers coming through?

We've only had a domestic league for a year and a half, mate. That being said, we have 4-5 Canadian goalkeepers playing in MLS at the minute, and all but a couple of the goalkeepers in CanPL, starters and backups, are Canadian.

[Bison44]

3 hours ago, scooterlawrence5 said:

It's unfortunate that we don't have a larger inventory of Canadian goalkeepers at domestic clubs. Why does Canada not have a pipeline of elite level goalkeepers coming through?

We dont have a pipeline of anything coming through at the moment.  But like Red mentions we have more keepers on MLS rosters/playing than we have ever had, 6-7 CPL guys getting lots of minutes and a bunch of youngsters in Italy (not sure why HAHA).  Keeper looks brighter than CB..but remember it was only a year ago and RB was a big problem.  Now we have Lareya tearing up MLS, with Johnston and ZBG  earning starting jobs.  If this time next year Vancouver has used only CDN keepers (Crepeau/Hasal), Pantemis is still getting games in Montreal and StClair has won a spot in Minnesota....we'll be sitting pretty.  

[Obinna]

St Clair looks to be the starter until Tyler Miller returns from his hip injury, but his performances have caught the eye to such a degree that I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota decide to continue with Dayne. Perhaps they would even look to deal Miller in order to strengthen elsewhere in their team. Miller just moved from LAFC and St Clair is now more established than he is at the club, so in a way he has the advantage of his backline and team being use to him and they are in the playoff hunt, so little incentive to change I think.

Furthermore Miller being in his prime and having a good reputation may fetch more in a trade than a relatively unproven St. Clair.

Worst case is that he becomes a solid number 2. 

The situation is similar at Montreal, with Pantemis getting chances for however long Diop is out. Now in that case, it is much more likely Diop returns to his starting role, but it looks like we have another clear number 2 here as well, now that Bush is gone. 

Which brings us to Vancouver, where things get interesting. I think the veteran presence of Bush is partly responsible for Vancouver's recent turn around. When Crepeau comes back it'll be interesting to see who gets the nod.

My gut tells me they'll ride Bush as long as the results are coming in, but at 34 it would only be a matter of time before he retires. So near term I think it is a Crepeau-Bush combo, in an order to be determined, but long term I believe it will be a Crepeau-Hasal combo.

So the outlook heading into 2022 is likely: 1 MLS starting keeper, 2 MLS backups, and 1 MLS 3rd string keeper. 

That is just at the MLS level, we still have Carducci as the no. 1 at Cavalry and several other first choice keepers in the CPL who deserve mention.

Borjan is still playing European football for a while longer in my estimation. Leutwiler seems to be first choice at a league one club in England. I think we are in better shape than past cycles, honestly. 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Obinna

[LeoH037]

I think St Clair has potentially relegated Miller to the bench or #2 status, he is younger, just as capable, and likely cheaper for Minnesota to keep. Won't be surprised if Miller is back on the market when he comes back.

[Kadenge]

Yesterday's win by Forge in Central America must have been especially sweet for players like Edgar and Bekker.  

[BearcatSA]

On 10/22/2020 at 10:27 AM, LeoH037 said:

I think St Clair has potentially relegated Miller to the bench or #2 status, he is younger, just as capable, and likely cheaper for Minnesota to keep. Won't be surprised if Miller is back on the market when he comes back.

Never rated Miller at all so I think St. Clair has a good shot.

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

Random post

but looking up something else at halftime and thought of this. Might be interesting to some

From Premier League official site - Appearances in that league by Canadian

(Not sure how they do the club to be honest - not necessarily their last, not necessarily the team they got the most appearances with)

1.	Tomasz Radzinski	Fulham	Canada	194
2.	David Junior Hoilett	Cardiff City	Canada	161
3.	Craig Forrest	West Ham United	Canada	107
4.	Scott Arfield	Rangers	Canada	86
5.	Paul Stalteri	-	Canada	55
6.	Frank Yallop	-	Canada	54
7.	Simeon Jackson	Stevenage	Canada	35
8.	David Edgar	Hartlepool United	Canada	23
9.	Kevin Sharp	-	Canada	17
10.	Jim Brennan	-	Canada	10
11.	Terry Dunfield	Oldham Athletic	Canada	1

[Shway]

The formatting is atrocious on mobile. @WestHamCanadianinOxford

Surely you could’ve typed it out for a 11 guys 😁

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

3 hours ago, Shway said:

The formatting is atrocious on mobile. @WestHamCanadianinOxford

Surely you could’ve typed it out for a 11 guys 😁

Sorry, looks quite pretty on my laptop. 

Edit - more seriously I thought the links would be helpful/interesting.

Edited October 24, 2020 by WestHamCanadianinOxford

[Kent]

Interesting list. Funny seeing teams like Rangers and Stevenage on the list

I have to admit. The name Kevin Sharp doesn’t ring any bells. I have to look him up now.

[CanadaFan123]

Is it too late to cap Kevin Sharp? How did we never hear his name?! Wild.

[Lansdude]

7 Canadian or Canada eligible players starting for the Whitecaps tonight against a full strength Seattle, and they're holding their own. Cornelius, Gutierrez, Baldisimo, Raposo, Bair, Ricketts, Tiebert.

Edited October 28, 2020 by Lansdude

[SthMelbRed]

4 minutes ago, Lansdude said:

7 Canadian or Canada eligible players starting for the Whitecaps tonight against a full strength Seattle, and they're holding their own. Cornelius, Gutierrez, Baldisimo, Raposo, Bair, Ricketts, Tiebert.

MDS has sent out a team of mostly young, Canadian players set up to fail. Thankfully, they've done well, so far, despite being hung out by a failed manager.

[PiedPilko]

Here's a new topic:

 

We've been wondering where we should play Davies for a while, and to me, the obvious answer is on the wing in a 4-2-3-1. I think the more interesting discussion is how are full backs will look. 

Our best non-Davies option is obviously Laryea. Some people were suggesting he should be on the wing, but that means taking Hoilett off, so I'm against that. This leaves LB or RB, which I'm really unsure about. I think it comes down to who we really don't want to play.

If Laryea sticks at RB, that means we're getting Adekugbe. I'm not really following his career in Norway, but I haven't heard anything good either. I guess Miller, Johnson or Morgan are possibilities, but not good ones. Which is why I'm leaning towards...

LB. That would leave us with some pretty deadly dribbling on the left side, and would take away all of those question marks. On the other hand though, if we want to go with 2 fun wing backs, that would mean ZBG, who I am equally unsure of. Alistair Johnston has had a good year in Nashville, but I'm not sure how well he'd mesh with our style. Is he pacey, or dribbly? ZBG feels more consistent, but he really hasn't fared as well.

Juan Cordova is also an option, or Godinho if we get really desperate. Personally, I'm leaning towards:

 

               Cavallini

     Davies-David-Hoilett

         Arfield-Eustaquio

Laryea-Vitoria-Henry-ZBG

                  Borjan

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by PiedPilko

[N1ckbr0wn]

2 minutes ago, PiedPilko said:

Here's a new topic:

 

We've been wondering where we should play Davies for a while, and to me, the obvious answer is on the wing in a 4-2-3-1. I think the more interesting discussion is how are full backs will look. 

Our best non-Davies option is obviously Laryea. Some people were suggesting he should be on the wing, but that means taking Hoilett off, so I'm against that. This leaves LB or RB, which I'm really unsure about. I think it comes down to who we really don't want to play.

If Laryea sticks at RB, that means we're getting Adekugbe. I'm not really following his career in Norway, but I haven't heard anything good either. I guess Miller, Johnson or Morgan are possibilities, but not good ones. Which is why I'm leaning towards...

LB. That would leave us with some pretty deadly dribbling on the left side, and would take away all of those question marks. On the other hand though, if we want to go with 2 fun wing backs, that would mean ZBG, who I am equally unsure of. Alistair Johnston has had a good year in Nashville, but I'm not sure how well he'd mesh with our style. Is he pacey, or dribbly? ZBG feels more consistent, but he really hasn't fared as well.

Juan Cordova is also an option, or Godinho if we get really desperate. Personally, I'm leaning towards:

 

               Cavallini

     Davies-David-Hoilett

         Arfield-Eustaquio

Laryea-Vitoria-Henry-ZBG

                  Borjan

 

this is our best lineup. I like Larin up top at this moment, but this is top 3 in CONCACAF worthy

[Norrin Radd]

1 hour ago, PiedPilko said:

Here's a new topic:

 

We've been wondering where we should play Davies for a while, and to me, the obvious answer is on the wing in a 4-2-3-1. I think the more interesting discussion is how are full backs will look. 

Our best non-Davies option is obviously Laryea. Some people were suggesting he should be on the wing, but that means taking Hoilett off, so I'm against that. This leaves LB or RB, which I'm really unsure about. I think it comes down to who we really don't want to play.

If Laryea sticks at RB, that means we're getting Adekugbe. I'm not really following his career in Norway, but I haven't heard anything good either. I guess Miller, Johnson or Morgan are possibilities, but not good ones. Which is why I'm leaning towards...

LB. That would leave us with some pretty deadly dribbling on the left side, and would take away all of those question marks. On the other hand though, if we want to go with 2 fun wing backs, that would mean ZBG, who I am equally unsure of. Alistair Johnston has had a good year in Nashville, but I'm not sure how well he'd mesh with our style. Is he pacey, or dribbly? ZBG feels more consistent, but he really hasn't fared as well.

Juan Cordova is also an option, or Godinho if we get really desperate. Personally, I'm leaning towards:

 

               Cavallini

     Davies-David-Hoilett

         Arfield-Eustaquio

Laryea-Vitoria-Henry-ZBG

                  Borjan

You don’t necessarily need to play Davies on the left. As a winger he can play on the right where he’s more of a goal scoring threat. If you’re starting Hoilett on the other side they can always switch during the game as the opposition or situation dictates.

I’m not quite sure how Davies and Laryea would play on the same side. In some ways they are perhaps a bit too similar. I could see ZBG and Davies linking up very well. From what I’ve seen of ZBG he is really good at hitting the forwards/wingers with long passes. In one game against TFC he provided a really nice pass for Quioto that sent him in against Westberg. I’d love to see him hitting an onrushing Davies with those passes.

[BrennanFan]

Adekugbe is a natural left back who has trained and played as a left back since he was a youth. He defends well and knows when to push. He's currently playing week in and week out for Valerenga who are in 5th place. He is in form, and more importantly has experience that we can rely on.  

He went to Europe, fought for his place, and is now doing well. That's the mentality we need on the pitch. 

He has earned a run of games at LB to show us what he can do. I believe he is the best solution at LB. 

[PiedPilko]

44 minutes ago, BrennanFan said:

Adekugbe is a natural left back who has trained and played as a left back since he was a youth. He defends well and knows when to push. He's currently playing week in and week out for Valerenga who are in 5th place. He is in form, and more importantly has experience that we can rely on.  

He went to Europe, fought for his place, and is now doing well. That's the mentality we need on the pitch. 

He has earned a run of games at LB to show us what he can do. I believe he is the best solution at LB. 

That's good to know, cause I've heard very little about him. According to random online commenter, he struggles with his positioning. Do you think he's better than ZBG?

[Obinna]

36 minutes ago, PiedPilko said:

That's good to know, cause I've heard very little about him. According to random online commenter, he struggles with his positioning. Do you think he's better than ZBG?

As of today I think they are similar. ZBG plays on the right though, and has less experience, so those are a few differences. I think Brault-Guillard will be better than Adekugbe when he reaches 25 years old. 

I do think Adekugbe should be acknowledged for forging a career in Europe. Despite some good performances he was never able to lock down a spot with Vancouver, but went out on loan at Brighton while they were in the Championship and did well in a few cup matches. Next he went out on loan in Sweden and fought to became a regular and did the same in Norway, where he has been for a while now. I hope he can make another step up the ladder. Perhaps the Netherlands or Belgium would be the next step.