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18 hours ago, Shway said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the number of Canadians in the USL will soon decrease (next year) as Canadians will go back to be counting a internationals rather than Domestic.

whats funny is how this rule has changed so often after so many claims for lawsuits, and labour laws bullsheit.

I would think that would depend on whether every team is using their full allocation of international spots and how the Canadian players compare to players from other countries. So, maybe it decreases.  Maybe it doesn't.

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1 hour ago, Watchmen said:

I would think that would depend on whether every team is using their full allocation of international spots and how the Canadian players compare to players from other countries. So, maybe it decreases.  Maybe it doesn't.

Over time though, it has to have an impact.    Currently we have preferential status in the league compared to other non-US nationalities which gives us an advantage.    Eliminating that advantage will have to reduce the opportunities for players.   That obviously doesn’t mean that no Canadians will be playing there in the future, but it is hard to see how it couldn’t reduce the attractiveness of signing a Canadian kid vs another international.   

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With all Canadian players in MLS now based in the US perhaps a MLS  CMNT camp in the US  later this year is possible? There are many new/young  players that are either starting for their teams or playing significant minutes and perhaps call up dual nationals such as Gutierrez  or Akinola. Herdman  needs to see a few of the newbies in  camp before WCQ starts

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Canadians in MLS:

Player Team Position GP GS MP G A
Zach Brault-Guillard Montreal Impact RB 14 12 1165 0 1
Samuel Piette Montreal Impact CM 13 13 1151 1 1
Russell Teibert Vancouver Whitecaps CM 12 12 1054 0 0
Mark Anthony Kaye Los Angeles FC CM 13 13 997 3 4
Jonathan Osorio Toronto FC CM 11 11 983 1 2
Dejan Jakovic Los Angeles FC CB 12 10 854 1 0
Derek Cornelious Vancouver Whitecaps CB 10 9 827 0 0
Lucas Cavallini Vancouver Whitecaps ST 10 9 798 2 0
Richie Laryea Toronto FC RB 11 8 774 4 1
Alistair Johnston Nashville SC RB 11 8 772 0 1
Ayo Akinola Toronto FC ST 9 6 596 6 0
Tesho Akindele Orlando City ST 12 5 537 2 0
Cristian Gutierrez Vancouver Whitecaps LB 8 5 474 0 0
Tajon Buchanan New England Revolution RW 14 4 445 1 1
Michael Baldisimo Vancouver Whitecaps CM 6 4 407 1 3
Theo Bair Vancouver Whitecaps ST 9 5 352 1 0
Kamal Miller Orlando City LB 6 3 309 0 0
Raheem Edwards Minnesota United LW 11 2 251 0 3
Joel Waterman Montreal Impact CB 3 3 233 0 1
Ryan Raposo Vancouver Whitecaps CM 9 1 223 0 1
Tosaint Ricketts Vancouver Whitecaps ST 8 2 217 1 0
Jay Chapman Inter Miami CF CM 7 2 194 0 0
Liam Fraser Toronto FC CM 7 2 176 0 0
Patrick Metcalfe Vancouver Whitecaps CM 5 2 168 0 0
Karifa Yao Montreal Impact CB 2 1 127 0 0
Shamit Shome Montreal Impact CM 7 2 121 0 0
Jacob Shaffelburg Toronto FC LW 3 1 94 0 0
Anthony Jackson-Hamel Montreal Impact ST 5 1 88 0 0
Jayden Nelson Toronto FC RW 2 0 30 0 0
Noble Okello Toronto FC (Loan) CM 1 0 22 0 0
Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla Montreal Impact ST 1 0 15 0 0
Jordan Hamilton Columbus Crew ST          
Callum Montgomery FC Dallas (Loan) CB          
David Norman Jr. Inter Miami CF CM          
Mathieu Choiniere Montreal Impact CM          
Clement Bayiha Montreal Impact RB          
Ashtone Morgan Real Salt Lake LB          
Julian Dunn-Johnson Toronto FC (Loan) CB          
Rocco Romeo Toronto FC (Loan) CB          
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty Toronto FC CM          
Georges Mukumbilwa Vancouver Whitecaps CM          
Simon Colyn Vancouver Whitecaps CM          
Gianfranco Facchineri Vancouver Whitecaps (Loan) CB          
Damiano Pelice Vancouver Whitecaps CM          
               
Player Team Position GP GS MP S GA
Thomas Hasel Vancouver Whitecaps GK 9 8 752 35 14
Dayne St Clair Minnesota United FC (Loan) GK 6 6 540 23 7
Maxime Crepeau Vancouver Whitecaps GK 4 4 328 12 10
Greg Ranjitsingh Minnesota United FC GK 3 3 270 15 8
James Pantemis Montreal Impact (Loan) GK          
Jonathan Sirois Montreal Impact GK          

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Player Team Position GP GS MP G A
Ryan James Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC Defender 15 14 1265 5 0
Paris Gee Saint Louis FC Defender 15 14 1233 0 1
Karl Ouimette Indy Eleven Defender 13 13 1170 0 2
Skylar Thomas Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC Defender 15 13 1164 1 0
Zachary Ellis-Hayden Oklahoma City Energy Defender 13 13 1124 0 2
Aidan Daniels Colorado Springs Switchbacks Midfielder 14 14 1121 3 1
Tyler Pasher Indy Eleven Forward 13 11 1029 9 1
Carl Haworth Indy Eleven Defender 9 9 750 1 2
Dayonn Harris Real Monarchs Forward 12 9 749 0 3
Brian Wright Birmingham Legion FC Forward 15 8 734 3 1
Jordan Murrell Las Vegas Lights FC Defender 9 8 725 0 1
Callum Montgomery San Antonio FC (On Loan from FC Dallas) Defender 8 8 718 2 0
Jeremy Gagnon-Lapare Saint Louis FC Defender 9 7 653 0 1
Alex Comsia North Carolina FC Defender 9 7 607 0 0
Kembo Kibato Rio Grande Valley FC Toros Midfielder 10 7 599 1 0
Malik Johnson Tampa Bay Rowdies Midfielder 10 4 494 2 2
Drew Beckie El Paso Locomotive FC Defender 5 3 345 0 0
Mamadi Camara Colorado Springs Switchbacks Forward 12 2 294 1 0
Massimo Ferrin Loudon FC United Forward 6 4 271 0 0
Jordan Schweitzer Phoenix Rising Midfielder 12 2 261 1 1
Emile Legault Rio Grande Valley FC Toros Defender 3 2 217 0 0
Jordan Peruzza San Antonio FC (On Loan from Toronto FC) Forward 4 3 213 2 0
Ashtone Morgan Real Monarchs (On Loan from Real Salt Lake) Defender 1 1 90 0 0
Mathieu Laurent Birmingham Legion FC Defender          
               
Player Team Position GP GS MP S GA
Sean Melvin Colorado Springs Switchbacks Goalie 9 9 630 16 19
Dayne St. Clair San Antonio FC (On Loan from Minnesota United) Goalie 5 5 450 12 3
Andre MacRae Tulsa FC Goalie          

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Curious what everyone's thoughts are on Skyler Thomas? He clearly wasn't good enough for Valour or CPL last year, but is starting CB for a very good Pittsburgh team in the USL. They have the best goals against average in the league. Is CPL a step above, did he have an off year, stronger CB partner? What gives?

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42 minutes ago, johnyb said:

Curious what everyone's thoughts are on Skyler Thomas? He clearly wasn't good enough for Valour or CPL last year, but is starting CB for a very good Pittsburgh team in the USL. They have the best goals against average in the league. Is CPL a step above, did he have an off year, stronger CB partner? What gives?

He is what he is..same with Murell, they were both capable defenders in USL, new team, system, bad coaching, Mitter...the backline was a mess and they all looked worse than they are because of it.  Ryan James and former CDN Dover are also on that riverhound backline.  James/FB is younger than Thomas and is playing better this year if your looking for USL guys to invite to a camp poutine.......  

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2 hours ago, johnyb said:

Curious what everyone's thoughts are on Skyler Thomas? He clearly wasn't good enough for Valour or CPL last year, but is starting CB for a very good Pittsburgh team in the USL. They have the best goals against average in the league. Is CPL a step above, did he have an off year, stronger CB partner? What gives?

I think it demonstrates that being in the right situation can make a world of difference.

I don't watch much of the USL-C, but I know Pittsburgh is strong. It's probably a more settled group than last season's Valour. There may be a different motivation for to prove himself this time. He must have fresh memories of what didn't go right in Winnipeg. 

So in short it could be lots of situational things, more so than the level. That's my take on it. 

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2 hours ago, Bison44 said:

He is what he is..same with Murell, they were both capable defenders in USL, new team, system, bad coaching, Mitter...the backline was a mess and they all looked worse than they are because of it.  Ryan James and former CDN Dover are also on that riverhound backline.  James/FB is younger than Thomas and is playing better this year if your looking for USL guys to invite to a camp poutine.......  

Winnipeg was a mess in 2019.  They couldn’t keep possession and if I remember correctly their right side was very weak.  Teams knew they could go up that side all game long and Murrell  or Thomas would get out of position to compensate.  
 

Some of those games got really ugly and while Thomas and Murrell were looking bad a lot there was bigger problems with the system and setup I think or at least they didn’t fit in it.  Sometimes with bad teams it’s hard to tell where the line between players and coaches blurred.

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8 hours ago, Ruffian said:

If even a portion of these players can not play in the USL next year there will be a flood of talent coming to the CPL. Let's hope there is a new team to help absorb the numbers or there will be a lot of young Canadian players without a team.

I don’t think there will be.

However the CPL looked better this year as teams had more continuity and many players already knew the systems.

There is always going to be a fair bit of roster churn though and competition will always be good for spots.    The MLS clubs will be more active looking for loans next year too I think.  
 

Pro sports is by its nature so competitive.  At least the Island Games went well and got broadcast around.  I suspect that more than a few players will be going off to Europe in January.

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This is my chart

  • Borjan starts for WCQ / Our #2 Crepeau starts Gold Cup / I put St. Clair as starter for Olympics. Splitting them makes sense to see their ability to carry the team
  • WCQ: Guys that are playing lots of minutes at high level with International experienced who knows Herdman's system
  • Gold Cup: Guys that could make the A team will want to use the Gold Cup to make their case. Also a great opportunity to acquire national team experience
  • Olympics: Incomplete - Open to suggestions - Any U24 guys you think are part of the future not making our A or B team

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Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Club Linesman said:

Truly incredible that we can can field 3 teams now of professionals where almost all are getting minutes.  Also shows the importance of the CPL.  And he doesn’t include Kennedy or Elva so there are even more serviceable players out there for us.

Or Jakovic or Romeo, which is odd because one is starting in MLS and the other is playing on the same squad as Okello who he has on the WCQ squad (not for me tbh - he would be on the u23s not sure what he’s thinking there as he has him behind others who have broken into higher levels).

Also, no Twardek, Pasher or Perruzza? Obviously a CPL tilt given the journalist.

Richie Ennin is another and let’s be real... Godinho has to be on a squad! The poor guy had a couple mistakes and drops from CMNT starter to off the u23 team?!

Could easily put together a solid team of guys not on any of the lists. We have a pool about 100 players deep now.

Edited by CanadaFan123

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2 hours ago, Ansem said:

This is my chart

  • Borjan starts for WCQ / Our #2 Crepeau starts Gold Cup / I put St. Clair as starter for Olympics. Splitting them makes sense to see their ability to carry the team
  • WCQ: Guys that are playing lots of minutes at high level with International experienced who knows Herdman's system
  • Gold Cup: Guys that could make the A team will want to use the Gold Cup to make their case. Also a great opportunity to acquire national team experience
  • Olympics: Incomplete - Open to suggestions - Any U24 guys you think are part of the future not making our A or B team

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Your list is better than Oliver's.

A few things I would change:

1. I think we need to bring Akinola into WCQ and we either drop Millar or Wotherspoon to Gold Cup.
2. Jakovic has to be there somewhere if he hasn't retired. 
3.  I'd add N'Sa and Godinho, possibly Simmons and Young for the Olympic team.

Edited by PopePouri

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2 hours ago, SkuseisLoose said:

I think Nelson would be gold cup and be replaced by someone like Millar or Akindele depending on how their seasons go.

For the WCQ, I doubt Herdman will get experimental. It will be our best XI and we go for the jugular. It's "ocho" or bust.

Nelson is more likely to play more minutes with the U23 than most of the Gold Cup forwards who are playing more minutes and are playing well.

It's better for him to be challenged and be put in a situation where he's a crucial part of the team and is expected to produce.

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29 minutes ago, PopePouri said:

Your list is better than Oliver's.

A few things I would change:

1. I think we need to bring Akinola into WCQ and we either drop Millar or Wotherspoon to Gold Cup.
2. Jakovic has to be there somewhere if he hasn't retired. 
3.  I'd add N'Sa and Godinho, possibly Simmons and Young for the Olympic team.

I think Akinola could legitimately compete for good minutes against Bair, Buchanan or Akindele - I just don't see him getting minutes over David, Larin Cavallini or Hoillet.

We could argue Millar but I could move him depending on his next loan situation 

I think Jakovic retired from the National team

Yes, I will add N'Sa and look into simmons and Young.

Godinho was a healthy scratch today...not a good sign. I'm biais for Chung and Farsi.

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1 hour ago, Ansem said:

I think Akinola could legitimately compete for good minutes against Bair, Buchanan or Akindele - I just don't see him getting minutes over David, Larin Cavallini or Hoillet.

We could argue Millar but I could move him depending on his next loan situation 

I think Jakovic retired from the National team

Yes, I will add N'Sa and look into simmons and Young.

Godinho was a healthy scratch today...not a good sign. I'm biais for Chung and Farsi.

If Akinola commits to us, I think it is impossible to say where he would fit in the order.  The only one who I think is guaranteed a starting spot ahead of him is David.  On Ayo’s current form and trajectory, I don’t think you can rule out the possibility that he could force his way into the starting 11 past guys like Larin or Cav.  Throw in another year of development, and it is possible that Akinola could leapfrog one or both of them.  

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20 hours ago, dyslexic nam said:

If Akinola commits to us, I think it is impossible to say where he would fit in the order.  The only one who I think is guaranteed a starting spot ahead of him is David.  On Ayo’s current form and trajectory, I don’t think you can rule out the possibility that he could force his way into the starting 11 past guys like Larin or Cav.  Throw in another year of development, and it is possible that Akinola could leapfrog one or both of them.  

Only way Akinola could force his way would be to become a regular TFC starter for the rest of this season and playoffs. And I would like to see him double his current goal total. 

Working against him is no senior team training and playing experience, no connection with potential starters ex Osorio & no WC qualifying experience. History has shown newbie Canadian senior national team players tend to have stage fright. If he commits, I would use the Gold Cup to see if is he up to playing at the senior international level.

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1 hour ago, red card said:

Only way Akinola could force his way would be to become a regular TFC starter for the rest of this season and playoffs. And I would like to see him double his current goal total. 

Working against him is no senior team training and playing experience, no connection with potential starters ex Osorio & no WC qualifying experience. History has shown newbie Canadian senior national team players tend to have stage fright. If he commits, I would use the Gold Cup to see if is he up to playing at the senior international level.

Excellent point. I was on a CSA call where Biello was explaining their playing style and tactics which Herdman came up with.

Trust me when I say it's unwise to bring a newbie in the middle of the WCQ unless they are there to observe only.

That's why in my chart, I have the usual suspects in the WCQ squad, the guys with experience who have assimilated the system.

The World Cup squad is best to play guys that are knocking on the door and learning that system while giving the coach a chance to see how they perform in the National team. Akinola is at his place there trying to beat Akindele, Bair, Brym or Buchanan for minutes.

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Can we really say we have an identity? A playing style? I don’t think so....

The Haiti GC game, USA home and away NL games we’re all completely different. The major thing being that Davies went from playing RW in a win to playing LB in a loss.

If things were as stringent or meticulous as stated, then it would be known how our best player would be utilized - which is still a debate. 

So to say that Akinola couldn’t be vetted in as the number 9 that he already plays as, is weird statement especially if he’s currently playing better than all those guy’s mentioned.

Also Buchanan, Brym are not number 9s and I know they are being suggested but in order to have a system and to implement tactics you have to have the right players that work.

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