Kent Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Single knock-out makes sense in England, where fixtures are terribly tight (24 teams in many lower divisions). And where away supporters can travel. For us, it only makes sense if the match is held in the stadium of the lower division team, automatically. Otherwise, if it's a pure draw, tell me that we are going to do single match knock-outs, and Victoria has to play in Toronto one year, then away to Halifax, the third year away to Impact. You are proposing that a CPL team could spend literally years before its fans see a Voyageur's Cup match? Or that TFC has to play at home vs. a team its fans are not overly excited about seeing, with a weaker gate, and the CPL team fans have no chance to see a top MLS side and dream of taking it down? Those are scenarios I have considered, and I realize there are pluses and minuses to single knockout as well as two legged ties. The plus to two legged ties against a more prestigious team is that not only do you get to play against a relatively big crowd (even a very small crowd for an MLS team would be very big for a D3 team for example) but you also get to host that big team as well and likely get your biggest home crowd as well. The plus to single knockout for the smaller teams is that it increases the chances of upsets. If you only have to catch them by surprise one time, and potentially at home, that’s a lot easier than if the favoured team gets a second chance to course correct. So yeah, I know there are downsides to single knockout, but there are also downsides to two legged ties (fixture congestion of course as well as what I already talked about). I don’t feel all that strongly one way or the other but I have a slight preference for single knockout for the unpredictability of it plus it would make those rarer home games more special. To me it’s a less important detail than having CPL teams enter the tournament at the same time as MLS teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Could see it start slowly with just the CanPL winner allowed in (much to our frustration). Or a CanPL pre-season/league cup which is effectively qualifying for that year's V-Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 CPL season should go under planification after this, I suppose CPL will want to avoid playing at the same time as TFC and Vancouver added: Avoid CFL as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Initial B Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 ^ Yeah, I figure this is probably what they were waiting for. I expect something to drop by Jan 31st or something has gone wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 We know we're getting games on Canada day and that teams will have the CPL red logo for that day. Best to avoid the time slot: CFL - Argos @ RoughRiders : 8pm (AST) / 7pm (ET) / 6pm (CT) / 5pm (MT) / 4pm (PT) MLB - Royals @ Blue Jays : 2pm (AST) / 1pm (ET) / 12pm (CT) / 11am (MT) / 10am (PT) *MLS will have skipped Canada day yet again, no games I'm guessing the following just for fun: CANADA DAY 3 Games schedule HFX Wanderers vs. York 9 FC -->Time : 11am (AST) / 10am (ET) / 9am (CT) / 8am (MT) / 7am (PT) No one miss the Blue Jays game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) No one miss the CFL Canada Day game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) Coast to Coast (see last game) Forge FC vs. Valour --> Time : 6pm (AST) / 5pm (ET) / 4pm (CT) / 3pm (MT) / 2pm (PT) No one miss the Blue Jays game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) Possible overlapping with CFL but not by much Biggest Stadium, better for TV than York 9 Better chance of packing the stadium and being watched locally on TV than York 9 Pacific vs. Cavalry -->Time : 11:30pm (AST) / 10:30 (ET) / 9:30pm (CT) / 8:30pm (MT) / 7:30pm (PT) No one miss the Blue Jays game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) No one miss the CFL Canada Day game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) Saves Al Classico for a day with no CFL or MLB Alberta vs. British Columbia Opportunity to draw the mainland TV viewers or/and attract spectators Coast to Coat (see first game) 2 Games schedule HFX Wanderers vs. York 9 FC -->Time : 11am (AST) / 10am (ET) / 9am (CT) / 8am (MT) / 7am (PT) No one miss the Blue Jays game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) No one miss the CFL Canada Day game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) Hard to imagine the league not highlighting a "Toronto" area team Coast to Coast (see last game) NO GAME - Forge FC vs. Valour --> Time : 6pm (AST) / 5pm (ET) / 4pm (CT) / 3pm (MT) / 2pm (PT) Risk of overlap with the Blue Jays and CFL Removing this game gives the league more flexibility for scheduling allowing extra time for Canada Day ceremony (if necessary) Both are big CFL markets who might want to avoid dividing the audience Pacific vs. Cavalry -->Time : 11:30pm (AST) / 10:30pm (ET) / 9:30pm (CT) / 8:30pm (MT) / 7:30pm (PT) No one miss the Blue Jays game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) No one miss the CFL Canada Day game nationwide (Opportunity of spotlight on CPL) Saves Al Classico for a day with no CFL or MLB Alberta vs. British Columbia Opportunity to draw the mainland TV viewers or/and attract spectators Coast to Coat (see first game) **Don't be too harsh, lost half an hour on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rintaran Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7-10 Days folks! I wonder what the "something different" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Apertura and clausura? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apertura_and_Clausura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rintaran Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Apertura and clausura? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apertura_and_Clausura That wouldn't be different in North America. Mexico is part of North America, and in recent memory, the NASL also used Apertura and Clausura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Any other suggestion then? All I can think of is a round-robin for the top three. I think it's worth bearing in mind that David Clanachan's comments probably aren't aimed primarily at people on here who are aware of these things, but to people who view North America as being the USA and Canada and were probably barely even aware that the NASL even existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rintaran Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Any other suggestion then? All I can think of is a round-robin for the top three. I think it's worth bearing in mind that David Clanachan's comments probably aren't aimed primarily at people on here who are aware of these things, but to people who view North America as being the USA and Canada and were probably barely even aware that the NASL even existed. The top-three round robin was my thought as well. I've also seen suggested the addition of a separate league cup, which we already see with L1O & PLSQ. I think this would make the schedule a little congested, but it could work. Beyond that, it's a bit of a head scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ams1984 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 33 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Apertura and clausura? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apertura_and_Clausura Hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Any other suggestion then? All I can think of is a round-robin for the top three. I think it's worth bearing in mind that David Clanachan's comments probably aren't aimed primarily at people on here who are aware of these things, but to people who view North America as being the USA and Canada and were probably barely even aware that the NASL even existed. I was going to suggest splitting the league as they do in Scotland as a joke, it wouldn’t be al that far fetched to have the top 3 in a round robin and would potentially create stiff competition to be amongst those 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Do a split? Like the idea but would need to give it a think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 why the hate for an a/c set up? it could be great and provide what fans want which is a league break for the gold cup. also if they declare a proper champ you still have a playoff if you do A champ vs C champ (still might be boring for fans of weaker teams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Initial B Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 With seven teams, it would be hard to do a championship round like Scotland/Ukraine/Poland, and there would be no relegation threat to spice the lower end of the table. I think Apertura/Clausura is more likely, as it would be two 12-game seasons. Perhaps the combined seasons winner will win the league trophy, and the individual season winners win get Concacaf League spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Think it will be two fourteen game seasons to meet season ticket commitments on 15 home games by throwing in a Voyageurs Cup game. That's how loading up on derbies would enter the picture. The Fury not joining really messed them up where the schedule is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigers Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, matty said: why the hate for an a/c set up? it could be great and provide what fans want which is a league break for the gold cup. also if they declare a proper champ you still have a playoff if you do A champ vs C champ (still might be boring for fans of weaker teams) Because it's totally unnecessary. We have 6 months of good weather, play 20 odd games and have a winner. Preferably with playoffs, or not if that's what they decide. I want one winner. The best team for the year. Not, oh they won this thing, but this team won that thing, and these guys won three months ago but that wasn't actually the end. Keep it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tigers said: Because it's totally unnecessary. We have 6 months of good weather, play 20 odd games and have a winner. Preferably with playoffs, or not if that's what they decide. I want one winner. The best team for the year. Not, oh they won this thing, but this team won that thing, and these guys won three months ago but that wasn't actually the end. Keep it simple. true (i think think we favour the same model) but there isn't anything too wrong with it. also the cpl don't do simple lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Rintaran said: 7-10 Days folks! I wonder what the "something different" is. I like the first tweet, I'm a bit nervous about the second tweet. My guess would be the Scottish split thing. With the league being so small I feel like there is a decent chance we could have a runaway champion by the time the split happens, depending on how many games they do before and after the split. Maybe it would be a double home and away when the league is still together, giving us 24 games played. Then split into top 3 and bottom 4. The bottom 4 do home and away round robin, so 30 games. The top 3 do home and away round robin, plus one more against each team (one of them at home, the other away), which again gets you to 30 games. That gives everyone the 15 home games that I think is the number they've been advertising, without including a Voyageurs Cup game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 been thinking about it. 14 home games, 7 teams, local focused derbies, this is probably going to piss off a lot of people (meaning single table, desiring a euro set up fans) with how fucking wonky and unbalance it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Kent said: I like the first tweet, I'm a bit nervous about the second tweet. My guess would be the Scottish split thing. With the league being so small I feel like there is a decent chance we could have a runaway champion by the time the split happens, depending on how many games they do before and after the split. Maybe it would be a double home and away when the league is still together, giving us 24 games played. Then split into top 3 and bottom 4. The bottom 4 do home and away round robin, so 30 games. The top 3 do home and away round robin, plus one more against each team (one of them at home, the other away), which again gets you to 30 games. That gives everyone the 15 home games that I think is the number they've been advertising, without including a Voyageurs Cup game. Sorry but the bottom 4 would literally be playing useless games so i don't see it as the league is for 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Rintaran said: That wouldn't be different in North America. Mexico is part of North America, and in recent memory, the NASL also used Apertura and Clausura. "Something different" doesn't necessarily mean "something unheard of". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 His specific words were that it's "something that's different for North America" but "Not something that's completely unique. It's a format that is used in other parts of the world." https://www.tsn.ca/canadian-premier-league-commissioner-offers-a-look-at-new-league-ahead-of-kickoff-1.1241674 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Zem said: His specific words were that it's "something that's different for North America" but "Not something that's completely unique. It's a format that is used in other parts of the world." https://www.tsn.ca/canadian-premier-league-commissioner-offers-a-look-at-new-league-ahead-of-kickoff-1.1241674 I'd be cautious we looking too far because it's fully possible he's using the definition of North American that separates Central America and sometimes Mexico from Canada and the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, matty said: Sorry but the bottom 4 would literally be playing useless games so i don't see it as the league is for 2019 Perhaps Voyageurs Cup seeding could be at stake for the bottom team(s) forcing an extra round if you finish bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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