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I have no idea what others are like, but I haven't watched a single MLS game since CPL started.  I am looking forward to the TFC/Impact V Cup game but I simply don't turn on TSN's MLS games.  And I am someone who used to watch pretty much all televised games by the 3 Canadian teams.  It is in part because of limited time, in part because I have invested in OneSoccer so want to get my value out of it, and in part because I am annoyed that TSN seems to basically be in CPL blackout mode so don't feel like supporting their footy broadcast alternatives.  

Recognizing that I am likely a bit more extreme than most, I would be surprised if the MLS bean counters haven't noticed an impact  on their bottom line since CPL geared up.  The simple fact is that people only have so much money to spend on tickets and merch, and only so much time to spend watching soccer.  Insofar as people are opting to support CPL - even if it isn't explicitly intended to undermine MLS - I would think that ti still leads to less overall commercial support for MLS.  Maybe not in the core markets, but there are all sorts of outlier markets where MLS merch was sold. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, dyslexic nam said:

I have no idea what others are like, but I haven't watched a single MLS game since CPL started.  I am looking forward to the TFC/Impact V Cup game but I simply don't turn on TSN's MLS games.  And I am someone who used to watch pretty much all televised games by the 3 Canadian teams.  It is in part because of limited time, in part because I have invested in OneSoccer so want to get my value out of it, and in part because I am annoyed that TSN seems to basically be in CPL blackout mode so don't feel like supporting their footy broadcast alternatives.  

Recognizing that I am likely a bit more extreme than most, I would be surprised if the MLS bean counters haven't noticed an impact  on their bottom line since CPL geared up.  The simple fact is that people only have so much money to spend on tickets and merch, and only so much time to spend watching soccer.  Insofar as people are opting to support CPL - even if it isn't explicitly intended to undermine MLS - I would think that ti still leads to less overall commercial support for MLS.  Maybe not in the core markets, but there are all sorts of outlier markets where MLS merch was sold. 

 

 

I was a double S/T holder of the impact and used to record all 3 Cdn MLS teams. Not anymore. Now my focus is the CPL on One Soccer.

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The Don is nuts. 

Good for Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal for spending millions of dollars on their rosters, that's there prerogative. If they have a problem with spending that much on the roster start developing players that can play at the MLS level and command lesser salaries.  If MLS clubs are spending money on academies that aren't producing MLS level players for them that is their issue.  Someone tell Barca to stop developing players that can't make their first team. 

How much of that Alphonso Davies money is the CPL getting?

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4 hours ago, Ansem said:

There's a moratorium on the sanction of new clubs in USSF leagues by the CSA. Nothing is stopping Montreal to add a club in PLSQ while the Whitecaps should focus on helping BC Soccer to successfully launch their D3 league

They should be doing so, but they also need a higher calibre league for their reserves to play in (if they actually decide to spend money on such teams again, which is a big IF).

3 hours ago, Ansem said:

Maybe he's heard of future sanctioning decisions...

TFC II: Being relegated to D3 from D2 doesn't justify an exception anymore. Ontario has a D3 as well.

Ottawa: There's an entire thread on why it makes no sense

TFCIII was already one of the best teams in Ontario's D3. TFCII is a step higher.

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1 minute ago, RS said:

They should be doing so, but they also need a higher calibre league for their reserves to play in (if they actually decide to spend money on such teams again, which is a big IF).

They are free to help raise the level here in Canada. If their reserve teams would be as superior as you imply, even better...forces everyone help to raise the bar

2 minutes ago, RS said:

TFCIII was already one of the best teams in Ontario's D3. TFCII is a step higher.

Was... League 1 Ontario undeniably improved since then which CPL is demonstrating. I doubt Anthony Novak would be overwhelmingly out of his element in USL-1

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1 minute ago, Ansem said:

They are free to help raise the level here in Canada. If their reserve teams would be as superior as you imply, even better...forces everyone help to raise the bar

Was... League 1 Ontario undeniably improved since then which CPL is demonstrating. I doubt Anthony Novak would be overwhelmingly out of his element in USL-1

Yes, their reserve teams would be superior. Yes, they'd raise the bar for the rest of those leagues. But no, VWFC and IMFC wouldn't see any improvement for their reserve squads by having them walk over amateur players week in and week out, so why would already cheap owners invest in that?

I already said I agree that IMFC and VWFC (and TFC) should be placing teams in existing or upcoming high-level local amateur leagues, but the fully pro reserve squads shouldn't be those teams. If anything, I'd like to see a combined CPL-MLS reserve league in Canada.

As for L1O improving, TFC3 (U-19s) was one of the best teams in that league last year. L1O didn't suddenly undergo a huge jump in quality over one offseason after losing several of its best players to the CPL and losing its entire fourth-place team to the USSFDA league. That's not how it works.

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2 minutes ago, RS said:

As for L1O improving, TFC3 (U-19s) was one of the best teams in that league last year. L1O didn't suddenly undergo a huge jump in quality over one offseason after losing several of its best players to the CPL and losing its entire fourth-place team to the USSFDA league. That's not how it works.

Which is kind of funny that they went to USSDA for better competition. TFCIII averaged 2.0 points per game in USSDA and 2.1 points per game in L1O. I realize that doesn't tell the whole story, but it seems like they should have stuck with a league with less travel and more ability to scout Canadian players

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3 hours ago, dyslexic nam said:

I have no idea what others are like, but I haven't watched a single MLS game since CPL started.

 

I tried to watch a couple of times and just couldn't get into them. The closest I came was when there was a chance we would have played the Whitecraps in the VCup and we were getting plans for a group to go over.

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6 minutes ago, deschamp86 said:

Which is kind of funny that they went to USSDA for better competition. TFCIII averaged 2.0 points per game in USSDA and 2.1 points per game in L1O. I realize that doesn't tell the whole story, but it seems like they should have stuck with a league with less travel and more ability to scout Canadian players

I think moving to the USSDA was more about providing better competition for the younger ages than it was for the U19s. It was likely a case of moving all the TFC Academy teams to USSDA or none at all, and TFC took Option A.

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3 minutes ago, RS said:

Yes, their reserve teams would be superior. Yes, they'd raise the bar for the rest of those leagues. But no, VWFC and IMFC wouldn't see any improvement for their reserve squads by having them walk over amateur players week in and week out, so why would already cheap owners invest in that?

Canadian soccer matters more than 2 clubs. That's the CSA's mandate and they are acting accordingly.

5 minutes ago, RS said:

I already said I agree that IMFC and VWFC (and TFC) should be placing teams in existing or upcoming high-level local amateur leagues, but the fully pro reserve squads shouldn't be those teams. If anything, I'd like to see a combined CPL-MLS reserve league in Canada.

It would be more productive if they helped CPL building a D2 league when they are ready so they could include their reserve teams. Until then, we have D3 leagues of our own

11 minutes ago, RS said:

As for L1O improving, TFC3 (U-19s) was one of the best teams in that league last year. L1O didn't suddenly undergo a huge jump in quality over one offseason after losing several of its best players to the CPL and losing its entire fourth-place team to the USSFDA league. That's not how it works.

The CSA's mandate is to do what's best for Canadian soccer, not 1 multi-billionaire organization which too many are trying to victimize. It benefits more Canadians to be exposed to TFC III, than removing them altogether and giving Americans that kind of exposure which ultimately benefits their program over ours.

You can shoot yourself so many times before being unable to make a full recovery.

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Just now, Ansem said:

The CSA's mandate is to do what's best for Canadian soccer, not 1 multi-billionaire organization which too many are trying to victimize. It benefits more Canadians to be exposed to TFC III, than removing them altogether and giving Americans that kind of exposure which ultimately benefits their program over ours.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. The CSA is allowing TFCII to play in USL-2 and the three MLS clubs to place all of their academy teams in the USSDA, so maybe you need to remind the CSA of its mandate rather than trying to pointlessly argue with me about it.

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16 minutes ago, RS said:

I have no idea what you're talking about here. The CSA is allowing TFCII to play in USL-2 and the three MLS clubs to place all of their academy teams in the USSDA, so maybe you need to remind the CSA of its mandate rather than trying to pointlessly argue with me about it.

For now, but shouldn't be the case forever. Disagreeing...not arguing 

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I would think MLS ratings are down on TSN because all 3 MLS teams are pretty much garbage this year more than the influence of the CPL.

Just curious, but do we have we any ratings for the CPL games on CBC?  I never seem to see that posted anywhere.  (Note: that's not me trying to start an MLS ratings vs CPL ratings debate.  I'm just generally curious).

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Given the Forge and Cavalry play each other twice between now and the end of the regular season and at a minimum both of them will obtain two points from that, they could both obtain three points or one of them will obtain four or six points, it's an extreme long shot that it won't be Forge vs Cavalry at this point.

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1 hour ago, Kent said:

This should probably go into a 2019 CPL Championship thread or something, but I don't have time to check if there is one.

https://canpl.ca/article/season-update-forge-clinches-2nd-overall-hfx-out-of-the-running

Summary, HFX is eliminated from contention for the championship game. Forge will be in the championship if Cavalry win the Fall season.

I haven't done that math, but essentially wouldn't Forge have to lose almost every game and a team like Edmonton or York would need to run the table.

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If Forge lose twice to the Cavalry, the Cavalry will have 31 points making them impossible to catch by all but Y9 who could match them on 31 points if they win all their games. The Forge already have the points they need to have second most points overall if the Cavalry win the title given they were second in the spring season well ahead of most of the teams other than FCE who are now 11 points back in the Fall season.  If Cavalry beat Y9 and the Forge beat Pacific in the next set of games, even the faint possibilities that there are right now will be gone.

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2 hours ago, narduch said:

I haven't done that math, but essentially wouldn't Forge have to lose almost every game and a team like Edmonton or York would need to run the table.

Yeah basically. Maximum points each team not named Forge or Cavalry.

York 9 - 31
Pacific - 30
FC Edmonton - 29
Valour - 28
HFX - 26

Cavalry and Forge are currently on 25 points. As Ozzie pointed out, Forge and Cavalry play each other twice, so the absolute minimum that the fall season champ will get is 27 points (if they draw both games. Obviously if one of them wins one of those games they will obtain at least 28 points).

So Valour will be out of it as soon as they drop a point or Cavalry/Forge pick up any points that are NOT from a draw between Cavalry and Forge. Edmonton is in virtually the same boat. Pacific and York 9 have about one result (either against themselves, or for Forge/Cavalry) worth of wiggle room, but that's about it.

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It's over.

Only two teams out of seven have even managed to put up a winning record, such has been their dominance.

I hope Forge win the Fall Season to give credibility to the "Championship Matches". If Cavalry win both seasons it would be hard to view Forge as legitimate champions if they happened to prevail in what would become the "Pseudo Championship Matches".

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On 5/27/2019 at 4:14 AM, ktf said:

Well I will attempt to do some Canadian minute tallies for us!

Starting with, shockingly, PFC...

Not counting Blasco/McCurdy and I am counting Macnaughton, as he is CNT eligible

PFC- 3,492 League (698/game). 1,518 in CC .

HFX- 1,844 League (461/game). 1,077 in CC.

Cavalry- 3,515 League (703/game). 1,553 in CC.

York 9- 2,916 League (729/game). 1,441 in CC.

FC Edmonton- 1,457 League (486/game).

Forge FC- 3,714 League (619/game). 

Valour FC- 3, 896 League (779/game).

A few obvious tiers here... Valour, Cavalry, York, and PFC are doing a wonderful job of playing many Canadians. They are basically averaging 8ish Canadians playing a full 90 each game (obviously it works out a little differently with substitutions and such.)

Forge is also doing very well and are averaging having just under 7 Canadians play a full 90 each game. 

Halifax and Edmonton are in the obvious bottom tier. They are still giving Canadians meaningful professional minutes when compared to our previous state of nothing! But you would like to see it be higher. 

 

 

I would like to point out that the general number of minutes per team really doesn't apply directly to the development of Canadians. The main thing is forge/cavalry etc brought in experienced Canadians who play all the time (they don't need development) whereas some other teams brought in less experienced Canadians to learn from experienced internationals. Both are accomplishing the same thing in terms of development.

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Interview with one of the most exciting young players of the league 

on how he analyzes his first pro season, tells me his family background, the 1000 U21 Minutes rule, targeting the U20 Canadian Men’s Team next year, his goal for next season and making the jump to a higher league at some point as well passing on scholarships to fulfill his professional dream 

 

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Aside from Bekker and Nanco, Forge didn’t have any established professionals on their team.  I’d say Forge has played so well because most of the team played for Bobby S at Sigma and knew the system in advance.  Borges turning into the leagues most dynamic player in year 1 has certainly helped as well.

Same thing with Calgary, everyone played there last year and knew the system in advance so they played cohesively the whole season.

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If you include Nanco...what about Quillan ROberts, Welshman, Dominic Samuels, Awuah, Frano...they all rode the pine in MLS or slogged through a few USL seasons before coming back to Sigma/Forge.  The Sigma/Bobby S familiarity I'm sure was big, but there was some good players that  had been in pro enviroments to build off.  

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