CPL General

[Cheeta]

Point made, clumsily apparently, but still made. 

41 sleeps to kick off!

[matty]

2 hours ago, Cheeta said:

Point made, clumsily apparently, but still made. 

41 sleeps to kick off!

yepperz 

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Whitecaps U-23 will be playing both FCE and the Cavalry on their trip to Alberta.

https://canpl.ca/article/whitecaps-u23-to-visit-alberta-well-be-fighting-for-our-lives

...Two years ago, WFC2, the Whitecaps official reserve side, played its final game in the USL. Last year, the Whitecaps had a deal to send some of their young talent to Fresno FC. This year, the Whitecaps’ under-23 side is playing in a series of tournaments and friendlies. And Dasovic is hopeful that more games against CPL opposition can be scheduled.

“Whenever a CPL side wants to play us, we’ll take it,” he answered.

Obviously, each youth team in the world has more players in its program than can ever make the first team. So, Dasovic thinks it’s important that his players be exposed to CPL, so they know what it might take to make the Eddies or Cavalry or another Canadian top tier club...

There's clearly no need for the league to only have 7 teams at this point, if the obvious next step to this had been taken.

[Unnamed Trialist]

12 hours ago, matty said:

while i get the tweet is trying to play up the importance of a media deals and how they help rising sports (like women's soccer), it's also kind of insulting to the league which has existed in one form or another since 1988 (it's in its 8th year under it's current name and format, not 5th).

The Spanish league was pretty well amateur up to maybe 4-5 years ago. I am just going on memory. 

Two factors have really pushed the league forward. First, getting regular television, starting with a game a week. Then having a major league sponsor, in this case Iberdrola, an energy enterprise, which drives the economics. That has strengthened the finances. Now sponsorship and tv are pushing things forwards.

There is a third question, which is having the pro clubs take women's football seriously, for example, by shifting club sponsors to their women. At Barça, for example, Stanley wanted to get into the club's mix but there was nothing available for the men, so they were convinced to start as the women's shirt sponsor.

The other factor from some clubs is the will to put major games in the main stadium. The team that pioneered this was At Bilbao, for a Champions League match a few years ago, then a key league game (also vs. Barça, think Barça won the league by winning that match), and also when fellow Basque team Real Sociedad visits. Then, la Real reciprocated. 

At Madrid has made this next step, very intelligently in a match that was key for the league. Barça winning puts them 3 points back with maybe 6 games left.

The fact that Real Madrid scorns women's football is a negative factor in Spain, but that is their ethos. If they were involved things would be even better for the women.

But there is a precarious side to things. I am not even sure they have established a mininum wage yet, so some lesser teams may be paying low or below living wage. I know a guy working in a warehouse where I work externally who told me his sister plays in the league, for Espanyol, I gather she makes more than he does in his job, but not much more. 

Edited March 18, 2019 by Unnamed Trialist

[Vince193]

Kind of random, but is there a reason our nomenclature, especially on Wikipedia always has FC in the name? It's not Forge, or Valour, it's Forge FC, and Valour FC. Arsenal is just Arsenal on wikipedia or other places, not Arsenal FC. It's the same with MLS teams. It's not Toronto, but Toronto FC, or Vancouver Whitecaps FC. It's odd.

[dyslexic nam]

1 hour ago, Vince193 said:

Kind of random, but is there a reason our nomenclature, especially on Wikipedia always has FC in the name? It's not Forge, or Valour, it's Forge FC, and Valour FC. Arsenal is just Arsenal on wikipedia or other places, not Arsenal FC. It's the same with MLS teams. It's not Toronto, but Toronto FC, or Vancouver Whitecaps FC. It's odd.

I assume it is because people know what Arsenal is, so they don't need the addendum.  Valour and Forge?  Not yet, so may warrant keeping the "FC".  Also, no one calls Arsenal "Arsenal FC", whereas they do refer to it as "Toronto FC" or "TFC".

Just a thought.

[matty]

1 hour ago, Vince193 said:

Kind of random, but is there a reason our nomenclature, especially on Wikipedia always has FC in the name? It's not Forge, or Valour, it's Forge FC, and Valour FC. Arsenal is just Arsenal on wikipedia or other places, not Arsenal FC. It's the same with MLS teams. It's not Toronto, but Toronto FC, or Vancouver Whitecaps FC. It's odd.

i once say wikipedia editors chat about tfc and it seemed to have to do with legal branding iirc

[ted]

13 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

I assume it is because people know what Arsenal is, so they don't need the addendum.  Valour and Forge?  Not yet, so may warrant keeping the "FC".  Also, no one calls Arsenal "Arsenal FC", whereas they do refer to it as "Toronto FC" or "TFC".

Actually it is quite common to refer to AFC (Arsenal Football Club) and that is the title of the main article on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_F.C.

As we have discussed before, it is like adding "Corporation" to a name (ie. Apple Corp. IBM Corp, etc). It is a legal descriptor usually required by the government registering the entity. It has gone out of fashion in the age of branding to use a full name but it was once commonplace.

In my opinion, it is used in North America for branding soccer teams because it connects clubs to famous teams around the world and is a shout-out to die-hard football fans. It's also a hipster-ish nod to the good-natured ribbing when some of us talk about Canadian or American hand-egg or pointy-ball.

[KW519]

2 hours ago, Vince193 said:

Kind of random, but is there a reason our nomenclature, especially on Wikipedia always has FC in the name? It's not Forge, or Valour, it's Forge FC, and Valour FC. Arsenal is just Arsenal on wikipedia or other places, not Arsenal FC. It's the same with MLS teams. It's not Toronto, but Toronto FC, or Vancouver Whitecaps FC. It's odd.

Arsenal is Arsenal F.C on wikipedia just as Barcelona is FC Barcelona on wikipedia. The FC is included because they're football clubs, not a squad of weapons, or a city in spain. With the Canadian clubs, it's just as important to include the FC. "Toronto" "Forge" "Valour" "Cavalry" "Pacific" are likely to bring entirely different pages unless "FC" is included. 

[matty]

19 minutes ago, KW519 said:

Arsenal is Arsenal F.C on wikipedia just as Barcelona is FC Barcelona on wikipedia. The FC is included because they're football clubs, not a squad of weapons, or a city in spain. With the Canadian clubs, it's just as important to include the FC. "Toronto" "Forge" "Valour" "Cavalry" "Pacific" are likely to bring entirely different pages unless "FC" is included. 

he means on the main article and on player profiles. not when you search

for example 

In October 1886, Scotsman David Danskin and his fellow 15 munitions workers in Woolwich, now South East London, formed Arsenal as Dial Square, with each member contributing sixpence and Danskin adding another three shillings to help form the club.^[1][a] Named after the heart of the Royal Arsenalcomplex, they took the name of the whole complex a month later.^[15][14] Royal Arsenal F.C.'s first home was Plumstead Common,^[14] though they spent most of their time in South East London playing on the other side of Plumstead, at the Manor Ground. Royal Arsenal won Arsenal's first trophies in 1890 and 1891, and these were the only football association trophies Arsenal won during their time in South East London.^[16][17] In 1891, Royal Arsenal became the first London club to turn professional.

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Despite a long scoreless streak to start the team's history, Toronto FC quickly began to establish itself as a team with significant fan support. The team's first win came on May 12, 2007 at BMO Field as Danny Dichio scored the team's first goal in the 24th minute of a 3–1 home win over the Chicago Fire.^[8] Though TFC slipped to the bottom of the MLS standings with a record of 6–17–7, the team built a foundation as the first Canadian team in MLS. In the team's second season in 2008, Toronto hosted the 2008 MLS All-Star Game. The team finished last in the Eastern Conference with a record of 9–13–8, but the enthusiastic fan base continued to fill BMO Field to capacity.^[9] To determine the Canadian Soccer Association's representative in the CONCACAF Champions League, Toronto FC played in the inaugural Canadian Championship in 2008 competing for the Voyageurs Cup. TFC were the favourites to win the championship in its first year, but the Montreal Impact prevailed.

[KW519]

11 minutes ago, matty said:

he means on the main article and on player profiles. not when you search

for example 

In October 1886, Scotsman David Danskin and his fellow 15 munitions workers in Woolwich, now South East London, formed Arsenal as Dial Square, with each member contributing sixpence and Danskin adding another three shillings to help form the club.^[1][a] Named after the heart of the Royal Arsenalcomplex, they took the name of the whole complex a month later.^[15][14] Royal Arsenal F.C.'s first home was Plumstead Common,^[14] though they spent most of their time in South East London playing on the other side of Plumstead, at the Manor Ground. Royal Arsenal won Arsenal's first trophies in 1890 and 1891, and these were the only football association trophies Arsenal won during their time in South East London.^[16][17] In 1891, Royal Arsenal became the first London club to turn professional.

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Despite a long scoreless streak to start the team's history, Toronto FC quickly began to establish itself as a team with significant fan support. The team's first win came on May 12, 2007 at BMO Field as Danny Dichio scored the team's first goal in the 24th minute of a 3–1 home win over the Chicago Fire.^[8] Though TFC slipped to the bottom of the MLS standings with a record of 6–17–7, the team built a foundation as the first Canadian team in MLS. In the team's second season in 2008, Toronto hosted the 2008 MLS All-Star Game. The team finished last in the Eastern Conference with a record of 9–13–8, but the enthusiastic fan base continued to fill BMO Field to capacity.^[9] To determine the Canadian Soccer Association's representative in the CONCACAF Champions League, Toronto FC played in the inaugural Canadian Championship in 2008 competing for the Voyageurs Cup. TFC were the favourites to win the championship in its first year, but the Montreal Impact prevailed.

Fair game. The Toronto section is all over the place too. They use TFC, Toronto FC, and Toronto. Arsenal's only mentions Royal Arsenal FC once. 

[matty]

Just now, KW519 said:

Fair game. The Toronto section is all over the place too. They use TFC, Toronto FC, and Toronto. Arsenal's only mentions Royal Arsenal FC once. 

the one use of toronto refers to the city of toronto. when you look at the full article it switches between toronto fc and tfc

[Vince193]

1 hour ago, ted said:

Actually it is quite common to refer to AFC (Arsenal Football Club) and that is the title of the main article on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_F.C.

As we have discussed before, it is like adding "Corporation" to a name (ie. Apple Corp. IBM Corp, etc). It is a legal descriptor usually required by the government registering the entity. It has gone out of fashion in the age of branding to use a full name but it was once commonplace.

In my opinion, it is used in North America for branding soccer teams because it connects clubs to famous teams around the world and is a shout-out to die-hard football fans. It's also a hipster-ish nod to the good-natured ribbing when some of us talk about Canadian or American hand-egg or pointy-ball.

I mean for example on a squad list, for example on the Canada NT roster, Osorio is listed with Toronto FC, but Liam Millar is simple with Kilmarnock, not Kilmarnock F.C.

[ted]

1 hour ago, Vince193 said:

I mean for example on a squad list, for example on the Canada NT roster, Osorio is listed with Toronto FC, but Liam Millar is simple with Kilmarnock, not Kilmarnock F.C.

That is simply lazy production and an example of successful branding by TFC. They have really embraced and incorporated the "FC" part into the brand. It has got to the point fro me personally that not hearing "FC" aftet the word "Toronto" just sounds weird.

[longlugan]

12 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Whitecaps U-23 will be playing both FCE and the Cavalry on their trip to Alberta.

https://canpl.ca/article/whitecaps-u23-to-visit-alberta-well-be-fighting-for-our-lives

...Two years ago, WFC2, the Whitecaps official reserve side, played its final game in the USL. Last year, the Whitecaps had a deal to send some of their young talent to Fresno FC. This year, the Whitecaps’ under-23 side is playing in a series of tournaments and friendlies. And Dasovic is hopeful that more games against CPL opposition can be scheduled.

“Whenever a CPL side wants to play us, we’ll take it,” he answered.

Obviously, each youth team in the world has more players in its program than can ever make the first team. So, Dasovic thinks it’s important that his players be exposed to CPL, so they know what it might take to make the Eddies or Cavalry or another Canadian top tier club...

There's clearly no need for the league to only have 7 teams at this point, if the obvious next step to this had been taken.

Shut the fuck up asshole.

[Vince193]

1 hour ago, ted said:

That is simply lazy production and an example of successful branding by TFC. They have really embraced and incorporated the "FC" part into the brand. It has got to the point fro me personally that not hearing "FC" aftet the word "Toronto" just sounds weird.

It spreads farther than that though, Seattle Sounders are always branded as Seattle Sounders FC, for example. It seems its just a US and Canada thing.

[matty]

12 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Whitecaps U-23 will be playing both FCE and the Cavalry on their trip to Alberta.

https://canpl.ca/article/whitecaps-u23-to-visit-alberta-well-be-fighting-for-our-lives

...Two years ago, WFC2, the Whitecaps official reserve side, played its final game in the USL. Last year, the Whitecaps had a deal to send some of their young talent to Fresno FC. This year, the Whitecaps’ under-23 side is playing in a series of tournaments and friendlies. And Dasovic is hopeful that more games against CPL opposition can be scheduled.

“Whenever a CPL side wants to play us, we’ll take it,” he answered.

Obviously, each youth team in the world has more players in its program than can ever make the first team. So, Dasovic thinks it’s important that his players be exposed to CPL, so they know what it might take to make the Eddies or Cavalry or another Canadian top tier club...

There's clearly no need for the league to only have 7 teams at this point, if the obvious next step to this had been taken.

why are you so hellbent on the league needing the reserve teams? like can you actually explain it? you've seen the reported season ticket sales and know they're way larger than what the reserve teams draw and you've had the league say we don't want to be a reserve leauge. so why do you keep pushing this? please explain it cause it's been 3 or 4 years of this

[dyslexic nam]

2 hours ago, matty said:

why are you so hellbent on the league needing the reserve teams? like can you actually explain it? you've seen the reported season ticket sales and know they're way larger than what the reserve teams draw and you've had the league say we don't want to be a reserve leauge. so why do you keep pushing this? please explain it cause it's been 3 or 4 years of this

It's just a joke of a post that shows the depth of his bias.  MLS teams arrange exhibition games against European giants - it doesn't mean MLS is on par with them or the the MLS team belongs in the same league.  It is a game that benefits the sides by letting them play and get tuned up.  Anyone reading anything more into it is just mindlessly pushing an agenda.

[Kent]

2 hours ago, matty said:

why are you so hellbent on the league needing the reserve teams? like can you actually explain it? you've seen the reported season ticket sales and know they're way larger than what the reserve teams draw and you've had the league say we don't want to be a reserve leauge. so why do you keep pushing this? please explain it cause it's been 3 or 4 years of this

The funniest/saddest part is that he has been pushing it for longer than the reserve teams existed. FC Montreal folded in 2016 and VWC2 folded in 2017, and he still wants them to play in CPL.

[Unnamed Trialist]

7 hours ago, KW519 said:

Arsenal is Arsenal F.C on wikipedia just as Barcelona is FC Barcelona on wikipedia. 

Former FCB president José Luis Nuñez once went to Barcelona City Hall after we won a trophy, and started his speech like this: "It is a pleasure to be here in the hall of the city that takes its name from the club I preside." And he was serious, he had no intention of being funny.

Barcelona was founded in 14 BC, by the way, at the end of the reign of Augustus Caesar.

[matty]

4 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Former FCB president José Luis Nuñez once went to Barcelona City Hall after we won a trophy, and started his speech like this: "It is a pleasure to be here in the hall of the city that takes its name from the club I preside." And he was serious, he had no intention of being funny.

Barcelona was founded in 14 BC, by the way, at the end of the reign of Augustus Caesar.

i wanna say how dickish but like barca might actually be bigger than the city of barcelona. sort of like the concept of how eminem is bigger than rap (despite him sucking and his music not aging well or really proving overly influential )

Edited March 19, 2019 by matty

[Ams1984]

I just found out that De Jong is out for all of 2019... that really sucks for the league and for Pacific FC. 

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

9 hours ago, Kent said:

The funniest/saddest part is that he has been pushing it for longer than the reserve teams existed. FC Montreal folded in 2016 and VWC2 folded in 2017, and he still wants them to play in CPL.

At no point have I pushed for reserve teams branded as such. I have suggested that affiliates similar to the Reno 1868 or Rio Grande Valley Toros teams in USL would be the better way to go from an optics standpoint.

TFC II is playing in USL 1 this season and Bill Manning has stated recently that MLSE and CanPL have had discussions about the possibility of MLSE owning a CanPL team. A Whitecaps U-23 team is very much up and running this season and as reported on the CanPL website is ready and willing to play games against CanPL teams with two already happening in Alberta this month. There have been reports from a Quebec based journalist within the last year or so of the Impact wanting to get a new pro team into Quebec City. There is therefore a solid basis for concluding that if CanPL and the three MLS franchises cooperated more closely there could be 10 rather than 7 teams in the league right now.

There is nothing sad or funny about hoping the main stakeholders in Canadian pro soccer will cooperate and work together and there are some positive signs that it is beginning to happen.

Edited March 19, 2019 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[Alex D]

*delete - non constructive, not worth it *

Edited March 19, 2019 by Alex D

[Unnamed Trialist]

12 hours ago, matty said:

i wanna say how dickish but like barca might actually be bigger than the city of barcelona. sort of like the concept of how eminem is bigger than rap (despite him sucking and his music not aging well or really proving overly influential )

You have never visited Barcelona, obviously.

Barça is not even more important or significant than Gaudí, imho, who is just one single architect. 

I still laugh at Barça fans who honestly believe that Pique is better known than Shakira, the cultural ignorance is amazing.