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32 minutes ago, matthew said:

I have seen and heard a surprising range of salary cap suggestions floated publicly and privately. So we'll see where it lands, but I've heard lower than $750,000 and I think $750,000 is a very workable number...

Who did you hear this from? If you get to those sort of numbers that's around 18 x $41,700 or 23 x $32,600 depending on roster size. See Steven Sandor's recent blog entry for why that could start to become problematic in player recruitment terms where fringe CMNT players are concerned. If you are right we are moving a long way from the sort of league we were being told about two or three years ago, which isn't necessarily a bad thing from a longevity standpoint as long as they can achieve reasonable on field quality that will get people to renew their season tickets at the end of year one.

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1 hour ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Who did you hear this from? If you get to those sort of numbers that's around 18 x $41,700 or 23 x $32,600 depending on roster size. See Steven Sandor's recent blog entry for why that could start to become problematic in player recruitment terms where fringe CMNT players are concerned. If you are right we are moving a long way from the sort of league we were being told about two or three years ago, which isn't necessarily a bad thing from a longevity standpoint as long as they can achieve reasonable on field quality that will get people to renew their season tickets at the end of year one.

Someone of the FB group mentioned they talked to some York 9 guys and $750k was the combined coach/player salary.

Here's the text:

"I talked to some of the York 9 staff yesterday about the player recruitment process for #CanPL . Coaches meetings will take place next week, but what they have heard so far is that the salary cap will be $750K. Scouting has already started but has not been completed. International players coming in will be comprised mostly of young unestablished players looking for first team football. And older players looking for a brand new challenge. Apparently multiple ex-Serie A players have reached out to York 9 to see if there is a possibility of moving there for the next chapter of their career. York 9 also says that they are trying to recruit their internationals from Italy, and get at least 1 household name to bring the large Italian community (around 50%) in Vaughan, Woodbridge, and the rest of York out to the games. If you have any questions comment below and I’ll try my best to answer the questions with the information I have been given."

It's weird cause a $750k cap would def not allow for a household name unless you have a DP type rule and are game paying one guy double the rest of the team. Again grain of salt cause rando on FB.

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10 minutes ago, Ansem said:

So we're talking $750K + DP?

That's what I'm wondering. I'm skeptical of this FB post cause again it's a FB post from a rando but it seems plausible to start with a reduced cap in the $750k-1m range. The household name part is very weird to me if the cap is that low but the logic behind it makes sense. How it works (DP rule, luxury tax) I dunno? I would usually just brush this aside but after Pat broke Calgary anything seems possible.

BTW the $750k cap concerns me cause you would lose a lot of MNT players (including fringe) from even the D2s and 3s.

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750k salary cap is really minor league, they won't be able to attract professional players ..... you probably need to make 60,000 to live in major Canadian cities comfortably. With a 25 man roster an average of 30k would be the salaries - it's minimum wage. Unless players have part time jobs throughout the winter which will be unfortunate. 

Minimum salary needs to be 50k

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It was less than 10 years ago when MLS had a minimum salary of 20,000.  In 2014 that said  26% of the league was making less than 50000.  

https://www.wakingthered.com/2014/4/10/5601528/mls-salaries-league-minimum-nfl-nba-nhl-mlb-jermain-defoe-david-beckham-michael-bradley

Now 4 years later the minimum is 54,000, so we can all see how things can change once a league gets off the ground and is economically feasible.   If we are going to see some PDL and a lot of USL level CDN on the first year rosters 30-40g wont seem that bad.  How you fill out the top end of the roster with only 50-70g a year is much more of a head scratcher.  

10 bench players (usl and PDL) 35g           350000

5 starters @ 50g                                             250000

5 decent players @ 80g                                400000

That still adds up to 1 million.  Going much lower than that is going to be very hard.  

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26 minutes ago, Alex D said:

I hope there are no DPs. A salary cap is one thing but DPs, Tam,Gam, trading international spots, allocation orders, where does it end? We were promised real football, not MLS. Please follow through. 

I also would prefer a lot less of this MLS voodoo as well.  But if there is going to be a salary cap in the CPL, there will probably be some of this sort of thing.  The only thing I'd like to see is the ability to trade cap space.  So if a last place club who is young and way under the cap could trade cap space (only for the remainder of that year) to a contending club I think that would be a good way for a good team to take an extra step short term.

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It’s a random on Facebook.  I disregard it because it’s contradictory to everything we’ve heard.  Just internet rumours. They’re meeting in a few weeks to talk about it, let’s wait until then.

I think Steve Milton saying in a published and on record report for a major daily paper that it’s 40-60k salary range a number of months ago carries more weight. Until a mainstream media member writes something different on record we should assume that for now.  

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36 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said:

It’s a random on Facebook.  I disregard it because it’s contradictory to everything we’ve heard.  Just internet rumours. They’re meeting in a few weeks to talk about it, let’s wait until then.

I think Steve Milton saying in a published and on record report for a major daily paper that it’s 40-60k salary range a number of months ago carries more weight. Until a mainstream media member writes something different on record we should assume that for now.  

That's how I mostly looked at it but meh it was fun to play with a bit. 

4 minutes ago, Complete Homer said:

The Darkest Timeline: CPL follows USL's example of not publishing salary or cap information, leaving us to bicker about this for years to come

The Darkest Timeline: It turns out Tg11 (or whatever his name was) is the owner of a team and the Vs are banned forever from all CPL and CanMNT events

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8 hours ago, michaeltfc91 said:

...Minimum salary needs to be 50k

That probably sends the break even point north of 8000 paid per game. Meanwhile, they only have around 200 memberships sold in York Region and Victoria. Eventually rhetoric and aspiration collides with reality. What they are attempting to do always was and still remains something that is very difficult to achieve when you deliberately strictly limit yourselves to the confines of Canada .

If a 750k cap (+ scope for 1 big name to help on marketing tickets) is what they have in mind then their actions are tempered by realism and based on rationality, so they are giving themselves a legitimate shot at making it through to well beyond year one. Even with 750k a lot depends on how large a full-time pro roster they carry and how many of the roster spots would be filled out with semi-pro and amateur deals for local players. The starting spine of the team (goalkeeper, two centre backs, two central midfielders and two strikers) could easily still be in the 40-60k range.

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11 hours ago, michaeltfc91 said:

 

Minimum salary needs to be 50k

MLS minimum salary THIS YEAR is $54K and that's with 20-30,000 and up stadiums

Monster.com estimates the AVERAGE salary for CFL is $50K

A CPL minimum $50K doesn't seem realistic, especially in year one.

 

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3 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

That probably sends the break even point north of 8000 paid per game. Meanwhile, they only have around 200 memberships sold in York Region and Victoria. Eventually rhetoric and aspiration collides with reality. What they are attempting to do always was and still remains something that is very difficult to achieve when you deliberately strictly limit yourselves to the confines of Canada .

If a 750k cap (+ scope for 1 big name to help on marketing tickets) is what they have in mind then their actions are tempered by realism and based on rationality, so they are giving themselves a legitimate shot at making it through to well beyond year one. Even with 750k a lot depends on how large a full-time pro roster they carry and how many of the roster spots would be filled out with semi-pro and amateur deals for local players. The starting spine of the team (goalkeeper, two centre backs, two central midfielders and two strikers) could easily still be in the 40-60k range.

I completely agree with you on the first paragraph, which is why its unfortunate. All I am saying is if I am making 30,000 CDN as a 25 year old substitute for York 9, I am definitely going to need a part time job / winter job to afford to live (or have a rich GF / parents).

Not to mention, if I have a University degree I could easily be making 60,000-70,000 at most full time jobs so players might consider that option as well

Hopefully it works out, if I was good enough I wouldn't leave my full time job to make 30k in the CPL it would be way too hard to make ends meet

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10 minutes ago, michaeltfc91 said:

I completely agree with you on the first paragraph, which is why its unfortunate. All I am saying is if I am making 30,000 CDN as a 25 year old substitute for York 9, I am definitely going to need a part time job / winter job to afford to live (or have a rich GF / parents).

Not to mention, if I have a University degree I could easily be making 60,000-70,000 at most full time jobs so players might consider that option as well

Hopefully it works out, if I was good enough I wouldn't leave my full time job to make 30k in the CPL it would be way too hard to make ends meet

I've known people who get EI benefits while in the offseason of their jobs (eg. working at a golf course). Does anyone know if this would be a route or possibility for the players?

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13 minutes ago, deschamp86 said:

I've known people who get EI benefits while in the offseason of their jobs (eg. working at a golf course). Does anyone know if this would be a route or possibility for the players?

They could probably structure it that way.  EI tips out at about 550 per week.  Pretty thin to work on for 20 weeks per year.  About the same as minimum wage in Ontario.

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Reporter Steve Milton learned that the CPL will have a salary cap structure, with the average player’s wage hovering around $50,000 or more. The league will also have a heavy focus on Canadian content, as it looks like teams will need to be composed of at least half Canadian players (both on the field and in their overall roster).

Also important to note is that the CPL will apparently draw its players from five “pools.” First would be the “Foundational” Canadian players, who already play professionally at a high level (either in MLS or elsewhere, I’d assume). Then there “Up-and-coming” young Canadians playing around the world, as well as “Home territory” players who come from a club’s local area. International players would fit into the “Open market” category, and it sounds like a few non-Canadians have expressed interest in the league.

The fifth pool is reportedly for Canadian college and university players; the Spectator reports that the CPL has been in contact with U Sports with regard to a possible draft — similar to the MLS SuperDraft.

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Is it possible that Hamilton have their coach in place but haven't announced? They obviously have to have someone representing them in Toronto this week at the coaches' summit. Saw a picture online of Anthony Totera with Alex Bunbury at the summit and wondered if it could be Bunbury. I suppose Bob Young or someone else could represent them but that seems weird. 

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3 minutes ago, shorty said:

Is it possible that Hamilton have their coach in place but haven't announced? They obviously have to have someone representing them in Toronto this week at the coaches' summit. Saw a picture online of Anthony Totera with Alex Bunbury at the summit and wondered if it could be Bunbury. I suppose Bob Young or someone else could represent them but that seems weird. 

I had the same thought when I saw that. Even if he's not Hamilton's coach, he seems to be involved in the league in some official capacity.

I think at this point it's almost certain that Hamilton has hired a coach, but the team is waiting for a good time to announce.

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2 hours ago, michaeltfc91 said:

I completely agree with you on the first paragraph, which is why its unfortunate. All I am saying is if I am making 30,000 CDN as a 25 year old substitute for York 9, I am definitely going to need a part time job / winter job to afford to live (or have a rich GF / parents).

Not to mention, if I have a University degree I could easily be making 60,000-70,000 at most full time jobs so players might consider that option as well

Hopefully it works out, if I was good enough I wouldn't leave my full time job to make 30k in the CPL it would be way too hard to make ends meet

Have to admit that I'm a bit puzzled as even Montagliani and Beirne said that CPL will be the kind of league where players can make a living as a soccer player.

Until the league comes out with final numbers, I'm taking this Facebook post with a grain of salt. It contradicts what was said by the league and journalistic sources so far.

Looking at the pools:

Pool 1 Foundationals won't come to CPL for anything below 50k I would think

Pool 2 Up and coming youth: All you need is to match what they are making elsewhere or/and beat what they make in USL which shouldn't be hard

Pool 3 Home territory: they should be making whatever the minimum will be. 

Pool 4 College and University: Same as above

Pool 5 Open market: This will cost $$$

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It doesn't contradict what Martin Nash was said to have told a member of the Southsiders a few months ago about the cap being viewed as too low to compete effectively with USL and it also fits a recent direct quote from Pacific FC's main investor about wanting the salary cap to be under $1 million.

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8 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

It doesn't contradict what Martin Nash was said to have told a member of the Southsiders a few months ago about the cap being viewed as too low to compete effectively with USL and it also fits a recent direct quote from Pacific FC's main investor about wanting the salary cap to be under $1 million.

Even with the $1M figure, its above USL

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4 hours ago, CanSuffer said:

 

Monster.com estimates the AVERAGE salary for CFL is $50K

 

 

That's a bit below the CFL minimum, not the average. The salary cap is $5.2 million. I know there are a lot of CFL haters out there, and yes the TV contract is massively important to the CFL and may not be repeatable, but the league is one that CPL can aspire towards in terms of salaries, attendance, TV viewership, etc. CFL contracts have many shortcomings and teams can play around with having players on reserve list, injury list, etc. which I hope is not something that CPL would follow. The link below provides information on the collective agreement and also shows that certain numbers like "average salary" aren't all that meaningful (in the CFL context).

https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/

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