CanSuffer Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 hours ago, matty said: And again media likely won't because "Forge vs. Pacific" sounds kind of weird. Cavs vs Suns Bills vs Dolphins Coyotes vs Ducks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, CanSuffer said: Cavs vs Suns Bills vs Dolphins Coyotes vs Ducks None of those are as weird and don't act like they are. They're all animals (Dolphins, Coyotes, Ducks), objects (suns), characters (cavaliers) or a play on words (bills). The teams also fully embrace their home locations in their full names. Forge vs. Pacific is like Run vs. Europe. It's fucking weird Edited July 24, 2018 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto Ruffrider Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, CanSuffer said: Cavs BC vs Suns BC Bills FC vs Dolphins FC Coyotes HC vs Ducks HC Fixed. ? CanSuffer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 New #1 Complaint: A third~ of fans cannot accept any criticism of this league even when it's valid red card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, matty said: New #1 Complaint: A third~ of fans cannot accept any criticism of this league even when it's valid You're just realizing that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Well that depends on the opinion of what valid is. ? deschamp86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 46 minutes ago, Watchmen said: You're just realizing that now? yes...yes i am. i'm from canada so i'm slow...just like that simpsons joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just took a walk down fuzzy memory lane....still so many lessons to be learned by studying the history of this league that so many of us oldtimers grew up with: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Soccer_League_(1987–92) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) So just noticed this little note about FCE's run in the NASL in an article about Davies from the Sun. "...Fath understands a big number like $12 million. That’s in the ballpark of the total number of dollars he’s dropped fielding his team in the North American Soccer League until now..." Interesting to finally get a "figure" on what the NASL was costing Fath and pleased to see it didn't sour him on continuing with the CPL. I think we can kind of lay to rest him not being serious about FCE or not being the kind of owner the CPL needs. Edited July 24, 2018 by matty DrummingInMySleep, Red and White and deschamp86 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 9:05 PM, BuzzAndSting said: New article from Milton dealing with roster allocation. - salary cap for players and coaches. Average salaries between $40-60K. Possible overlap. - acquisitions will be made from five pools of players in a stepped sequence. Details: 1. Foundational These are the top Canadian players already playing pro at a high level. They'd be put in a pool, and individual teams would deal with, and try to sign, them. 2. Up-and-coming These are players coming up through various systems, such as Ontario's League 1 or other developmental leagues who have a future but aren't on big-name teams or maybe haven't been included in the national team system. It could also include players in, say, third division European leagues who aren't making much money. 3. Home territory This bucket would contain players that a team would identify to the league as coming from their immediate or regional market, and would be important to fan support and development. "One of the things we are adamant about is creating hometown heroes," Clanachan says. "There are a lot of great soccer players who will be, and are, coming out of Hamilton." You could envision former Mac players or, say, Hamilton-raised national team goalie Milan Borjan (now playing for Red Star Belgrade) on the list Forge FC submits. 4. Canadian universities and colleges The CPL has been talking to USports about conducting a university draft. 5. Open market When the first four buckets have been completed, the more-than-50 per cent Canadian content should be fulfilled for all teams. The open market pool could be a mixture of Canadians and internationals. "We don't know exactly what we're going to get there," Clanachan says. He doesn't anticipate any big-name big-money internationals to start with, but the league has heard from a number of non-Canadians interested in playing here. And some non-Canadian club systems have expressed interest in a working arrangement with the CPL. https://www.thespec.com/sports-story/8749807-cpl-players-will-come-from-five-pools-/ So the next Alphonso Davies would be identified as "Home Territory" talent and the local CPL team would get 1st opportunity at him. Hypothetically, the next superstar is from Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia ? HFX Wanderers would get 1st shot at signing him Starts in CPL at age 15 and burns the leagueat age 16 and 17 What do you do if an MLS team wants to buy an Alphonso Davies level of talent? Hold on to him hoping for a higher asking price Sell to Montreal Impact Sell to Euro side at a lower asking price Due to the mandate the league gave itself to develop talent ultimately for the national program, I think Superstar level (Millar, Davies) --> Europe: Higher ceiling for the player and help CPL gain notoriety . Might pay more initially but they would be in a better position to flip at a higher price later and CPL gets little recognition while stuck with the MLS feeder label What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 About 5 minutes ago it just dawned on me how much of a head start Ottawa is going to have against the rest of the teams if they join the CPL. Will be seriously hard to take them down in that debut season considering the pieces they've already acquired and the chemistry while other teams are playing together for the first time. -Hammer-, ted, Ansem and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said: About 5 minutes ago it just dawned on me how much of a head start Ottawa is going to have against the rest of the teams if they join the CPL. Will be seriously hard to take them down in that debut season considering the pieces they've already acquired and the chemistry while other teams are playing together for the first time. Good thing we all like a challenge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 43 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said: About 5 minutes ago it just dawned on me how much of a head start Ottawa is going to have against the rest of the teams if they join the CPL. Will be seriously hard to take them down in that debut season considering the pieces they've already acquired and the chemistry while other teams are playing together for the first time. It’s going to be difficult because they had a head start but their lineup, especially their import players aren’t great players either. Last week they started 6 Canadians - Crepeau, Edwards, Attakora, Mueiller-Giguere, Dixon and Haber. I’m sure other teams are going to be able to match that quality. The issue will be as you said the fact that they’ve played together for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ansem said: So the next Alphonso Davies would be identified as "Home Territory" talent and the local CPL team would get 1st opportunity at him. Hypothetically, the next superstar is from Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia ? HFX Wanderers would get 1st shot at signing him Starts in CPL at age 15 and burns the leagueat age 16 and 17 What do you do if an MLS team wants to buy an Alphonso Davies level of talent? Hold on to him hoping for a higher asking price Sell to Montreal Impact Sell to Euro side at a lower asking price Due to the mandate the league gave itself to develop talent ultimately for the national program, I think Superstar level (Millar, Davies) --> Europe: Higher ceiling for the player and help CPL gain notoriety . Might pay more initially but they would be in a better position to flip at a higher price later and CPL gets little recognition while stuck with the MLS feeder label What do you guys think? I don’t think it’s an issue that is going to come up really. If someone is a Davies level talent he’ll be sold at 18 and none of the 3 Canadian clubs is likely to buy him before then. Why? Because MLS likes bargain deals and a player of that caliber won’t fetch the value CPL teams will want = they’ll be sold to Europe. I can’t see the money being right.. just keep in mind how many times have MLS teams bought from usl teams and they’re partners. Imagine us as a competitor selling to the Canadian clubs? It would be horrible optics on their part basically acknowledging that it’s okay to start in CPL and be sold to mls rather than join from the offset ... MLS will never do that. We’ll have just as good luck selling to Mexican teams than mls... fewer barriers and politics. Realistically though 18 you’re good to go - we really need to depend on the Canadian player here to raise our level to a respectable one where a kid dominating at 17 really means something and it’s not a “ya but” league. And here is where I come back to stressing the importance of the voyageurs cup and champions league - we need to push for as many matches for all CPL clubs in both competitions as possible and that should be a top priority. Edited July 25, 2018 by Keegan Ansem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 hours ago, lazlo_80 said: About 5 minutes ago it just dawned on me how much of a head start Ottawa is going to have against the rest of the teams if they join the CPL. Will be seriously hard to take them down in that debut season considering the pieces they've already acquired and the chemistry while other teams are playing together for the first time. So, while others will be clueless about the CPL, Voyageurs should be placing online bets on Ottawa to win in the first season. grande 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Ansem said: So the next Alphonso Davies would be identified as "Home Territory" talent and the local CPL team would get 1st opportunity at him. Hypothetically, the next superstar is from Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia ? HFX Wanderers would get 1st shot at signing him Starts in CPL at age 15 and burns the leagueat age 16 and 17 What do you do if an MLS team wants to buy an Alphonso Davies level of talent? Hold on to him hoping for a higher asking price Sell to Montreal Impact Sell to Euro side at a lower asking price Due to the mandate the league gave itself to develop talent ultimately for the national program, I think Superstar level (Millar, Davies) --> Europe: Higher ceiling for the player and help CPL gain notoriety . Might pay more initially but they would be in a better position to flip at a higher price later and CPL gets little recognition while stuck with the MLS feeder label What do you guys think? Why would I sell a player for less money? Where in Europe? Are they going straight to the first team? Would the MLS offer me a portion of what they get when he is sold? How serious is the league's mandate? I think you sell to who has the better offer cause that's normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandbloke Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, baulderdash77 said: It’s going to be difficult because they had a head start but their lineup, especially their import players aren’t great players either. Last week they started 6 Canadians - Crepeau, Edwards, Attakora, Mueiller-Giguere, Dixon and Haber. I’m sure other teams are going to be able to match that quality. The issue will be as you said the fact that they’ve played together for a while. Because Ottawa are a middle-of-the-pack USL team, I don’t see them dominating the CanPL. They do have some talent, although three of their best young Canadians, Crépeau, Meilleur-Giguère and Reid, are on loan from MLS teams. Crépeau and Meilleur-Giguère are playing so well that the Impact are going to want to keep them. No idea what plans FC Dallas have for Reid. Edited July 25, 2018 by Grandbloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 hours ago, lazlo_80 said: About 5 minutes ago it just dawned on me how much of a head start Ottawa is going to have against the rest of the teams if they join the CPL. Will be seriously hard to take them down in that debut season considering the pieces they've already acquired and the chemistry while other teams are playing together for the first time. I think the CPL requires Ottawa to blow up a lot of it's roster. If they don't the league looks like child's play and deeply unfair. Tell them they can protect 5-8 players go from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, matty said: I think the CPL requires Ottawa to blow up a lot of it's roster. If they don't the league looks like child's play and deeply unfair. Tell them they can protect 5-8 players go from there I dunno, I kind of disagree. I think it's more mickey mouse if they make them blow up the roster. has shades of MLS allocation draft. I don't think any other league would make them blow up their roster just for joining. deschamp86, -Hammer-, Greatest Cockney Rip Off and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, lazlo_80 said: I dunno, I kind of disagree. I think it's more mickey mouse if they make them blow up the roster. has shades of MLS allocation draft. I don't think any other league would make them blow up their roster just for joining. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL–WHA_merger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, lazlo_80 said: I dunno, I kind of disagree. I think it's more mickey mouse if they make them blow up the roster. has shades of MLS allocation draft. I don't think any other league would make them blow up their roster just for joining. I agree.. don’t blow them up. Look at the Vegas knights in the top hockey league who made the cup final v 30 teams that had all the top talent prior. Ottawa doesn’t have all the top soccer talent or the top Canadian talent for that matter... sure maybe they should drop a few players (and they’ll lose others through loans) but other than that? Keep them.. it helps the Ottawa franchise, fans and the league. There are literally tons of Canadians.. I bet most of you hadn’t even heard of half of Ottawa’s Canadians 3 years ago so why blow them up? Bbeto and lazlo_80 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Watchmen said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL–WHA_merger Sweet pull. And fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2SKI Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, matty said: I think the CPL requires Ottawa to blow up a lot of it's roster. If they don't the league looks like child's play and deeply unfair. Tell them they can protect 5-8 players go from there Victoria will crush 'em. We've got the best soccer people. ted and matty 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, lazlo_80 said: Sweet pull. And fast! Ha. I just happened to be reading the thread. It instantly made me think of the Winnipeg Jets having to forfeit a ton of their high end players during the merger because they were "owned" by other NHL clubs. johnyb and lazlo_80 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hammer- Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said: I dunno, I kind of disagree. I think it's more mickey mouse if they make them blow up the roster. has shades of MLS allocation draft. I don't think any other league would make them blow up their roster just for joining. Yeah, me too. Early pioneers for the game in our country deserve to be rewarded in some fashion. deschamp86 and Greatest Cockney Rip Off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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