CPL General

[Markoaleks]

On 7/13/2018 at 9:00 PM, longlugan said:

Slight correction gents...Harald Anton( Toni) Schumacher was the goalkeeper who played for Germany and FC Köln...Michael Schumacher was the Formula 1 driver. Btw I'd love it if he was Croatia's goalie in the finals...you'd never see a Frenchman come anywhere near his penalty area. That collision still resonates in France's football psyche to this day

Thanks Guys

I had a spelling error on my post - I meant to say Harald Toni Shumacher , not the F1 driver 

Seems like yesterday I was watching the game (on tape delay on CBC) 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Markoaleks

[Gordon]

The import/domestic ratio in the cfl serves to limit skill players primarily. The problem is that if you have a Canadian CB/RB/WR who is cfl quality, you really need to have three. Injury, form, or family emergency can affect availability to start, the first two the need for substitution. A Clever team with a flexible roster can maybe mitigate the issues with starting lineup but it is much more difficult to use two substitutions. This rule has potential to limit Canadian starters in attacking positions IMHO.

[Kent]

If you don’t want to be forced into certain substitutions, start with 8 or 9 Canadians. With that being said you could argue that the 6 on the field rule gives a manager more flexibility than a start 9 rule.

[TFC07]

Isn't anyone concern about lack of promotion during World cup on TV?  You were think that CPL will try to promote the league by running ads and trying to get some time to talk about the league in front of million of viewers.  

[shamrock]

12 hours ago, masster said:

 That limits the options for the manager.

Every sort of quota will limit the managers option. That's the point. 

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

I guess the fear on limiting things to 5 imports on the roster straight away is what happens to the strength of a team if one of them gets injured, but the A League in Australia seems to be able to make that sort  of format work. I seriously doubt they are going to be able to generate the revenues needed to bring in lots of import players that are massively better than regular starter quality Canadians. Maybe this is just for the first season or two given the logistical problems associated with finding 160 or so Canadians that merit a fully pro contract.

Edited July 15, 2018 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[Gopherbashi]

6 hours ago, TFC07 said:

Isn't anyone concern about lack of promotion during World cup on TV?  You were think that CPL will try to promote the league by running ads and trying to get some time to talk about the league in front of million of viewers.  

I'd be concerned if we had gone with the July 2018 start, but I don't know that blowing a bunch of money on advertising right now is a good use of money, when you won't actually have a product for nine months.  Any casual fans you're reaching out to could easily forget by then (or might even be turned off if they go looking and find out your product doesn't exist).

Also I just realised that any excessive celebrations during the world cup final today may lead to CPL kickoff babies.

[longlugan]

On 7/14/2018 at 12:15 AM, SuperCanuck said:

So was his brother Ralf

Very true...totally forgot about him.

[SuperCanuck]

19 minutes ago, longlugan said:

Very true...totally forgot about him.

That's understandable.  He was pretty easily forgettable.  He showed up, got better, and then faded and finally disappeared.

[masster]

On 7/14/2018 at 11:20 PM, shamrock said:

Every sort of quota will limit the managers option. That's the point. 

That is exactly why I said limit the options prior to kickoff to the benefit of Canadian players, but do not do so once the whistle is blown as it has the potential to affect the integrity of the competition.

[Cheeta]

^ Absolutely, perfectly put.  Start 6 Canadians.  Finish with 3, finish with 9, whatever.

[Kent]

Even with the "start 6" rule it doesn't eliminate the kinds of problems being referred to. It decreases the chances of them, but it doesn't eliminate them. Maybe you don't have enough healthy Canadian players and have to start them out of position. Same problem, it just happens at a different time of the game, and is more likely to happen.

My point being that you could use that same argument and take it to it's logical conclusion which would be to only have roster rules, rather than on-the-field rules. I'm not advocating for having MLS-style roster rules. I like the rule as it was stated just fine.

[Bison44]

How about using the "supposed" rule they had for the USL clubs??  The teams had to average a certain % of CDN minutes.  No strict X amount of starters etc, but you better hit the minimum thresh hold.  That would make playing CDN a priority but not handcuff managers if injuries or roster make up interfered at particular times during the season.  

[Unnamed Trialist]

A minimum number on the field at all times does not do anything unusual. I think we should have a minimum 6 on the field at all times, and let the coach figure it out. Otherwise we are implying they are not intelligent enough to adapt to a simple and widely used rule.

The criteria has been used, in similar ways, in various leagues and competitions over the years. Many leagues restrict foreigners,  or have, including Russia, China, Spain. Others say early round Cup matches should include minimums from the academy of the team, or nationals, or restrict foreigners in lower divisions, meant to be development leagues. Such restrictions are inconvenient, but put in place to encourage a proper balance between nationals and foreigners. 

MLS blatantly discriminates Canadians by not offering our players full reciprocity for playing on American teams, they are not given domestic status. And we've pretty well passively accepted such a slight, with Americans given full status in Canada. The CPL is a direct response to the disrespect MLS shows Canadian professional footballers. The USL and the PDL do not do this, meaning the MLS is baseless in doing so. 

I would only say that if, for example, a team were to have two Canadian keepers and one was injured, you would have a provision in place in case you needed to make a keeper change. And you need a provision for when you have a lot of injuries on a roster and that affects mostly Canadians, which could happen. That is about it.

[RS]

MLS doesn't care about restricting Canadians on American teams. It's a USSF directive.

Regardless, CPL should do starting XI minimums and let the rest of the roster compete for the right to be subbed onto the field IMO. Canadians are already going to be guaranteed a number of spots in the starting lineups, which is enough from a competitive standpoint.

[grasshopper1917]

13 minutes ago, RS said:

MLS doesn't care about restricting Canadians on American teams. It's a USSF directive.

Regardless, CPL should do starting XI minimums and let the rest of the roster compete for the right to be subbed onto the field IMO. Canadians are already going to be guaranteed a number of spots in the starting lineups, which is enough from a competitive standpoint.

Its simple, common sense and will work fine. X ammount of Canadians must start each game. Managers will assemble their teams with this rule in mind. This will ensure plenty of Canadian minutes. No need to over think it or get overly complicated or restrictive.

[Keegan]

25 minutes ago, RS said:

MLS doesn't care about restricting Canadians on American teams. It's a USSF directive.

Regardless, CPL should do starting XI minimums and let the rest of the roster compete for the right to be subbed onto the field IMO. Canadians are already going to be guaranteed a number of spots in the starting lineups, which is enough from a competitive standpoint.

Agreed but MLS = USSF just as much as CPL = CSA ... they know who their masters are. 

[RS]

10 minutes ago, Keegan said:

Agreed but MLS = USSF just as much as CPL = CSA ... they know who their masters are. 

MLS (and to a lesser extent CPL) will have similar interests to their governing body, but I find it hard to believe that random billionaires from around the business world care at all about domestic player minimums. If anything, the league's owners would abolish the quotas altogether (if they could get away with it).

[jonovision]

If the CFL can manage within a Canadian quota, in a sport where positions and substitution patterns are far more specific and complicated, the CPL should be able to do so as well.

[Cheeta]

23 minutes ago, grasshopper1917 said:

Its simple, common sense and will work fine. X ammount of Canadians must start each game. Managers will assemble their teams with this rule in mind. This will ensure plenty of Canadian minutes. No need to over think it or get overly complicated or restrictive.

Exactly.  Waaay more flexibility in the managers roster selection.  He (maybe she?) will balance their starting 11 against subs bench without having to over complicate things with nationality concerns.  Here's my 1st 11, I know these players, i know the opponent, what can I reasonably expect will have to happen from the sidelines as the match progresses.

Of course, we don't know yet what will qualify as a Canadian player.  Could be quite a few players who may qualify as Canadian for CanPL but never qualify as Canadian for FIFA.  That's not an unimportant detail. 

[Keegan]

8 minutes ago, RS said:

MLS (and to a lesser extent CPL) will have similar interests to their governing body, but I find it hard to believe that random billionaires from around the business world care at all about domestic player minimums. If anything, the league's owners would abolish the quotas altogether (if they could get away with it).

Okay so you mean MLS stakeholders collectively and not actual MLS, that I would agree with.  But that’s like saying collectively we as citizens would do away with taxes but that’s not possible even in numbers. That’s where the whole single entity comes in - MLS is it’s own being and it knows USSF is it’s daddy no matter what.  I think CPL is more free than MLS and I’d hope we don’t have high quotas for domestics - grown organically, don’t force a low level.

[Blackdude]

The only question I have. If a Canadian is red carded that would bring you under the quota, I do think that you shouldn't make a sub to bring a Canadian though. That's the only time where the club could be boned in not having enough Canadian players. 

[Keegan]

7 minutes ago, Blackdude said:

The only question I have. If a Canadian is red carded that would bring you under the quota, I do think that you shouldn't make a sub to bring a Canadian though. That's the only time where the club could be boned in not having enough Canadian players. 

That's not how it works in leagues that do the same thing.  The red carded player is considered to be on the pitch still (so he takes up a full match).  

[RS]

47 minutes ago, Keegan said:

Okay so you mean MLS stakeholders collectively and not actual MLS, that I would agree with.  But that’s like saying collectively we as citizens would do away with taxes but that’s not possible even in numbers. That’s where the whole single entity comes in - MLS is it’s own being and it knows USSF is it’s daddy no matter what.  I think CPL is more free than MLS and I’d hope we don’t have high quotas for domestics - grown organically, don’t force a low level.

MLS owners are "actual" MLS, though. They write the cheques, so ultimately they make the rules (within FIFA guidelines, which is where the USSF gets to impose its own desires).

59 minutes ago, jonovision said:

If the CFL can manage within a Canadian quota, in a sport where positions and substitution patterns are far more specific and complicated, the CPL should be able to do so as well.

CFL positions may be more specialist in nature when compared to soccer, but CFL substitutions aren't restricted to just three per team per game.

[Club Linesman]

Perhaps the minimum 6 Canadians is designed to ensure you start 7 or 8 so that when a coach is making changes he can put whoever he wants on without worrying about the quota.  Maybe it s subliminal Jedi mind trick to give Canadians more playing time without having s coach lose their autonomy once the game starts.