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As much as I wanted the team in my backyard of the Fraser Valley. I find it strange that Friend worked with Surrey for over a year and it was squashed over a lease agreement and some other vague reasons but Victoria within a few weeks were able to arrange moving a huge hydro pole costing in the millions and than put together all the other details one must assume were too complicated to arrange with Surrey.

 

At the end of the day you either want to do something or you don't. I can't see Friend going back to Surrey. They obviously for whatever reason didnt want to do business with him. I see him going to the Abbotsford area next

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12 hours ago, SpursFlu said:

... but Victoria within a few weeks were able to arrange moving a huge hydro pole costing in the millions and than put together all the other details one must assume were too complicated to arrange with Surrey.

 

To be fair, the Mayor of Langford (where the stadium is located) is a pro-development zealot who never met a project he didn't like. If you want to build stuff he wants you to do it, no matter what it is.

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8 hours ago, SpursFlu said:

Yah ironically .. I guess that's why they call it Victoria's Surrey

Fair enough, but they have just over 30,000 population. And Langford does not have to deal with decades of being slighted by the rest of the Greater urban area it pertains to.

The mayor is ambitious and we'd do well to have the same modest ambition in similar-sized towns. Our stadium infrastructure in Canada is very poor after the major cities, and even then.

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2 hours ago, BradMack said:

I think Mr. Stevie Hart has spilled some beans he probably was not supposed to spill to the Chronicle Herald today in Halifax.... Ottawa in for 2019 confirmed? 

Looks like it. Don't think there was much doubt that would be the decision after the membership numbers started to look more than reasonable to very good in all but one of five markets, if they weren't already committed by that point. That removed any fears about it turning into a 1983 CPSL style fiasco.

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/sports/1580886-hart-tabbed-to-guide-wanderers

...“There’s going to be a couple of teams that are already established and they just have to move things along,” Hart said. “For example, Ottawa is in a league in the United States — the USL — and they’re already up and running. They’ve had players selected and contracts running for a couple of years. Edmonton has been up and running for a number of years and so has Calgary. So those teams already have a head start but I think you will see a decent quality product on the field in our first year...

Also makes it sound like more of a Foothills thing is going on in Calgary on the technical side of things than it appears on the surface.

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17 hours ago, BradMack said:

I think Mr. Stevie Hart has spilled some beans he probably was not supposed to spill to the Chronicle Herald today in Halifax.... Ottawa in for 2019 confirmed? 

Rob Gale also said something similar at last nights event. Never actually mentioned them by name though.

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2 hours ago, Rheo said:

Interesting about the CSA blocking the potential move of Whitecaps 2 to Calgary, Victoria etc. Really shows that want nothing to do with a MLS reserve team burning what was at the time a potential CPL market. It could be the same situation TFC faced if they wanted to move their team to a nearby city, thus still having the players in their setup on a daily basis. This decision by the CSA actually had a negative effect on playing opportunities for Canadians as there are now very few for them in Fresno as the article states.

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1 hour ago, Cblake said:

Interesting about the CSA blocking the potential move of Whitecaps 2 to Calgary, Victoria etc. Really shows that want nothing to do with a MLS reserve team burning what was at the time a potential CPL market. It could be the same situation TFC faced if they wanted to move their team to a nearby city, thus still having the players in their setup on a daily basis. This decision by the CSA actually had a negative effect on playing opportunities for Canadians as there are now very few for them in Fresno as the article states.

I find it equally interesting that after being told by the CSA they couldn't move WFC2 into obvious CPL markets, they stopped trying to find alternatives in say... non-CPL markets and just went to Fresno. From their own admission, it hasn't been great for them.

Personally, they tried to compete and CSA wouldn't let them.

Also, them seeking to send their players in needs of minutes to CPL sounds a bit off to me. After reading what Stephen Hart's trying to accomplish, it sounds like he has a plan, a vision for his team. I think accepting loans would happen if players fits his needs/vision. It just comes across through the text that there is this expectation of CPL to act as a developmental tool for them. I'm not sure that's the optics CPL is going for.

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Pretty sure Rollins and Laramee teased Atiba to CPL. Rollins talked about a marquee signing and Laramee asked was he onside or offside on Friday’s show

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Just now, Rheo said:

Pretty sure Rollins and Laramee teased Atiba to CPL. Rollins talked about a marquee signing and Laramee asked was he onside or offside on Friday’s show

Imagine if he's in the draft? 

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5 hours ago, Cblake said:

Interesting about the CSA blocking the potential move of Whitecaps 2 to Calgary, Victoria etc. Really shows that want nothing to do with a MLS reserve team burning what was at the time a potential CPL market...

Unfortunate that people can't find a way to work together rather than being at cross-purposes. Getting to 8 stable franchises would be a lot easier that way, if the funding that is going into the three MLS academies was used to full advantage by Canadian soccer rather than being viewed as an alien intrusion.

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9 hours ago, Cblake said:

Interesting about the CSA blocking the potential move of Whitecaps 2 to Calgary, Victoria etc. Really shows that want nothing to do with a MLS reserve team burning what was at the time a potential CPL market. It could be the same situation TFC faced if they wanted to move their team to a nearby city, thus still having the players in their setup on a daily basis. This decision by the CSA actually had a negative effect on playing opportunities for Canadians as there are now very few for them in Fresno as the article states.

What would you rather have, a tentpole team in a Canadian league that not only will emphasize Canadian content, but one that will do so in a first-team environment and has ambitions higher than USL level, or a reserve team that played 6 Canadians and has really only contributed to the development of one player of note IMO

It would have been nice to have both, but by the Whitecaps own admission they needed the team to draw substantial numbers to be viable and that means being a direct competitor to a key CPL club. I know I'd rather have a secure position for a key launch club for a key part of the solution for Canadian soccer than playing time for 6 USL players, which  be immediately replaced in 2019

Plus, I'm personally not convinced that the decision to go to Calgary wasn't partially motivated by an attempt to preempt the cpl club, as they see Alberta as part of their extended catchment. They can pull the kumbaya card in a fan town hall, but they were the ones putting the message into the media that CPL won't be major league, which says more than what they say at a PR night with a bunch of angry fans who also support CPL 

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7 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Unfortunate that people can't find a way to work together rather than being at cross-purposes. Getting to 8 stable franchises would be a lot easier that way, if the funding that is going into the three MLS academies was used to full advantage by Canadian soccer rather than being viewed as an alien intrusion.

You're so ridiculous....consistent but ridiculous

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3 hours ago, Complete Homer said:

What would you rather have, a tentpole team in a Canadian league that not only will emphasize Canadian content, but one that will do so in a first-team environment and has ambitions higher than USL level, or a reserve team that played 6 Canadians and has really only contributed to the development of one player of note IMO

It would have been nice to have both, but by the Whitecaps own admission they needed the team to draw substantial numbers to be viable and that means being a direct competitor to a key CPL club. I know I'd rather have a secure position for a key launch club for a key part of the solution for Canadian soccer than playing time for 6 USL players, which  be immediately replaced in 2019

Plus, I'm personally not convinced that the decision to go to Calgary wasn't partially motivated by an attempt to preempt the cpl club, as they see Alberta as part of their extended catchment. They can pull the kumbaya card in a fan town hall, but they were the ones putting the message into the media that CPL won't be major league, which says more than what they say at a PR night with a bunch of angry fans who also support CPL 

Honestly the CPL is going to be a USL level league when you consider the economics that is being discussed salary wise. Just looking at the size of the stadiums in most cases this league knows at what level they are starting at. I kind of wonder, are the CPL teams going to compare to say the Welsh League vs the teams that play in the English system.

The CSA did take away Canadian playing opportunities when the approved Americans being counted as domestics on Canadian MLS teams do there is come contradicts here. 

 

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2 hours ago, Cblake said:

Honestly the CPL is going to be a USL level league when you consider the economics that is being discussed salary wise. Just looking at the size of the stadiums in most cases this league knows at what level they are starting at. I kind of wonder, are the CPL teams going to compare to say the Welsh League vs the teams that play in the English system.

The CSA did take away Canadian playing opportunities when the approved Americans being counted as domestics on Canadian MLS teams do there is come contradicts here. 

 

I doubt that issue was ever on the table.  I dont remember all the ins and outs back when TFC joined MLS but I dont think MLS would have agreed to anything that significantly worked against US players.  It sucks, but its their world and we were just a squirrel trying to get a nut.   And if TFC had to come up with a dozen CDN players for year 1 (instead of only 3) it would have sunk them right off the bat.  Same goes for CPL, we want a good level of CDN, but not so many that we are scraping up every college/usl and 5th level european pro to come up with the numbers. And hopefully, naturally the numbers will come up.  

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4 hours ago, Cblake said:

Honestly the CPL is going to be a USL level league when you consider the economics that is being discussed salary wise.

The rumoured salaries for CPL are about three to five times larger than average USL salaries. We don't know how accurate those rumours are yet, but if true CPL will roughly be as far ahead of USL by relative salary than MLS will be above CPL

4 hours ago, Cblake said:

I kind of wonder, are the CPL teams going to compare to say the Welsh League vs the teams that play in the English system.

Welsh vs EPL is only a good comparison for understanding how one team can have two leagues. The EPL is the richest league in the world and the Welsh league plays in front of crowds in the hundreds. The gap between MLS and CPL will be orders of magnitude smaller

 

4 hours ago, Cblake said:

The CSA did take away Canadian playing opportunities when the approved Americans being counted as domestics on Canadian MLS teams do there is come contradicts here. 

 

Even if you place the entire blame of the Whitecaps choosing to fold their team onto the CSA (which is silly in my opinion, it was the Whitecaps decided to fold the team), you are talking about a single year where there are about 6 fewer starting spots for Canadians at a relatively low level. It's a stretch to me that one would consider it less of a risk for Canadian soccer to lose a handful of USL starters for one year vs disrupting the market for a new permanent CPL club that will not only likely have more Canadians on it, but are actually committed to the market and represents a much higher ceiling than a reserve team that is teetering on folding.

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5 hours ago, Cblake said:

Honestly the CPL is going to be a USL level league when you consider the economics that is being discussed salary wise. Just looking at the size of the stadiums in most cases this league knows at what level they are starting at. I kind of wonder, are the CPL teams going to compare to say the Welsh League vs the teams that play in the English system.

The CSA did take away Canadian playing opportunities when the approved Americans being counted as domestics on Canadian MLS teams do there is come contradicts here. 

 

CPL is going into year 1 and will grow from there just like MLS is much different now in terms of quality of play than their first year in 1996.

In a few years CPL's quality of play will grow much above MLS's minor league USL and with salaries that are seemingly going to be above USL first year they may best them at launch.

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1 hour ago, CDNFootballer said:

CPL is going into year 1 and will grow from there just like MLS is much different now in terms of quality of play than their first year in 1996.

In a few years CPL's quality of play will grow much above MLS's minor league USL and with salaries that are seemingly going to be above USL first year they may best them at launch.

The USL is not the MLS's minor league, its the second division in the US. The same level that the NASL was when Ottawa and Edmonton played in it. The quality of play is actually pretty good minus some of the MLS2 teams that at least a few of will drop down to the USL D3 that is launching next year. It will be interesting to see if the CPL does offer up some Canadians more than the MLS minimum?

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8 hours ago, Complete Homer said:

The rumoured salaries for CPL are about three to five times larger than average USL salaries. We don't know how accurate those rumours are yet, but if true CPL will roughly be as far ahead of USL by relative salary than MLS will be above CPL

Even if that's true (which I doubt), you're still going to spend it on USL (-level) players. I doubt there will be a lot of players with regular minutes in MLS that you can get over to CanPL, or players with options in Europe. So it will be some USL players (again, the best have options and won't automatically choose CanPL if they get a good USL offer) and college prospects, which would make the level sub-USL, at least for the first couple of years. 

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5 hours ago, shamrock said:

Even if that's true (which I doubt), you're still going to spend it on USL (-level) players. I doubt there will be a lot of players with regular minutes in MLS that you can get over to CanPL, or players with options in Europe. So it will be some USL players (again, the best have options and won't automatically choose CanPL if they get a good USL offer) and college prospects, which would make the level sub-USL, at least for the first couple of years. 

You're probably right for the domestic players, but the global pool is so large that that large of a salary gap would create a reasonable quality difference from the imports landing in your starting 11.

Again, I'm not saying the rumoured salaries are true, but the "it will be USL level at best" lines are more based on vague feelings than anything else until the league actually releases information to the contrary 

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