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12 minutes ago, mtlsab said:

Corrrect me if I'm wrong, but it's not franchise fee but operating fee?

OK, that would make sense.  I was (mis)reading a French article on the CPL prospects in Quebec.

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On 6/14/2018 at 7:51 AM, admin said:

Keep pounding the Founders name.  I don't think it's set in stone (er steel rather).

At some point though we really need to switch gears and quit complaining.

Complain when your grandchildren have season tickets.   

That’s the plan. I’m just practising to get my 10,000 hours of complaints in. I hope to be a professional complainer when my grandkids have season tickets inspiring them to find their own superficial things to moan about. 

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On 6/15/2018 at 5:51 AM, Dub Narcotic said:

 

The site Belan is looking at is not the same site that is usually proposed for the indoor arena (which actually has no finalized site yet).

The study commissioned looked at 12 potential sites (which were not published), determined downtown was optimal and one of the sites is city  yards - or at least those in the know seem to act as if it is. The traditional location - which I assume you are thinking being the A.L. Cole site? - is no longer the slam dunk it once was for a variety of reasons.

I should note that another proposal is from Arbutus - a Vancouver developer who are willing to buy the property, and among other things, develop a grocery store -badly needed in the downtown area due to the development of +55 condos and seniors building, but, to date deemed unviable by the marketplace  as the numbers living downtown are not sufficient to support a large grocer. And of course, the question is asked in the various media outlets is whether the dreams of a downtown arena are blocking the development to which the standard response seems to be, “it’s too early to tell”.

I’d think Belan’s only real shot of getting the site will be to exist in the market and be attracting Good attendance and community buzz, and he come with a plan that was more than a stadium, and included development of a trendy mini-Yaletown type area, which is - like a downtown arena or a downtown grocery store, is something the city council covets. But that is a much bigger undertaking and, unless you are a developer, a bit much to ask of someone may want only the stadium and team.

 

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After listening to David Clanachan's interview with CheddarLIVE, did he just say that the Canadian Soccer Business (CSB) will give the CPL the ability to take on broadcast rights that are non-traditional and traditional, and that such broadcast rights are a HUGE win for the CPL? With this being said, it's obvious now that the CPL is working towards not only landing a TV deal but also viewing all games via the internet?

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10 hours ago, Gordon said:

The study commissioned looked at 12 potential sites (which were not published), determined downtown was optimal and one of the sites is city  yards - or at least those in the know seem to act as if it is. The traditional location - which I assume you are thinking being the A.L. Cole site? - is no longer the slam dunk it once was for a variety of reasons.

I should note that another proposal is from Arbutus - a Vancouver developer who are willing to buy the property, and among other things, develop a grocery store -badly needed in the downtown area due to the development of +55 condos and seniors building, but, to date deemed unviable by the marketplace  as the numbers living downtown are not sufficient to support a large grocer. And of course, the question is asked in the various media outlets is whether the dreams of a downtown arena are blocking the development to which the standard response seems to be, “it’s too early to tell”.

I’d think Belan’s only real shot of getting the site will be to exist in the market and be attracting Good attendance and community buzz, and he come with a plan that was more than a stadium, and included development of a trendy mini-Yaletown type area, which is - like a downtown arena or a downtown grocery store, is something the city council covets. But that is a much bigger undertaking and, unless you are a developer, a bit much to ask of someone may want only the stadium and team.

 

I'm not clear which study you are referring to (or even which project). The former A.L. Cole site is part of River Landing, already developed.

Belan only proposed one site for a new soccer stadium: an area near the police station in the current city yards. He would develop the site himself but the city would have to move the yards to a new location and do some infrastructure upgrades. Until the site is ready he said he was willing to play in the Exhibition fairgrounds, which you mentioned earlier. However, as far as I know, there hasn't been much movement on this proposal since Belan first brought it to city council, either for the brownfield project site or the temporary location (which would also need work to get it even to launch-year CPL standards). 

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Just to make sure I haven't missed something . . . has anyone seen CPL ads on TV/online amongst coverage of the World Cup? Or is this being delayed until after the group stage? 

I'm excited to see this advertising campaign they keep referencing, but I'm starting to get impatient. I mean, it's already been four days. ?

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2 hours ago, m-g-williams said:

Just to make sure I haven't missed something . . . has anyone seen CPL ads on TV/online amongst coverage of the World Cup? Or is this being delayed until after the group stage? 

I'm excited to see this advertising campaign they keep referencing, but I'm starting to get impatient. I mean, it's already been four days. ?

I've watched most of the games (one of the benefits of working from home - TV on in the background) but I haven't seen anything. I don't think there have been any adds on yet.

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MUST READ

What caught my attention:

You can and you should go out and support those teams. But there are several hundred Canadians playing their trade somewhere else in the world as a professional and it’s our intention to entice them back and the early response we’re getting from a lot of those players is ‘Absolutely.’ They almost resent that they had to leave in order to go earn a living in the game. I think we will have a nice blend of local guys and those who have played abroad or in other leagues or who are playing in the first, second or even third division of some European or South American leagues. You’d be shocked if you started to look at the numbers and you’d see there’s a kid from Moncton playing in Colombia.

One of our strengths is we have players from all over the world living in Canada. But it’s also a weakness because they generally carry a second passport and so they go and play in Colombia or Portugal or wherever. We’re going to turn that on its head by attracting those guys back and have them start to develop a real Canadian version of the game.

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5 hours ago, Ansem said:

MUST READ

What caught my attention:

......

What caught mine, very inspiring, good work Paul Beirne:

Q: What happens after the team announcements and the initial splash? How do you market and sell something when teams don’t have coaches, players, brands or even nicknames?

PB: One of the things they do have already in place are supporter groups. The culture of soccer is very close to the culture of Canadian football in the best CFL cities. Winnipeg is in that category. And so, while these games feel like worlds apart, in some ways they are very similar. The Canadian Premier League now has, at last count, 16 supporter groups across the country (Red River Rising in Winnipeg).

I’ll use Mississauga as an example. There’s no owner there. There’s no stadium. There’s no project. But there are supporters and, man, are they active. The same can be said for Quebec City and Moncton and across the country. That’s unprecedented and it really opens the eyes of politicians who are thinking about what to do with a piece of land and does it make sense to build an outdoor stadium for their community. Or, it opens the eyes to a potential owner who really wants to get into pro sports knowing that Canada’s No. 1 participation sport is soccer and that there are already supporter groups in place.

Those groups build something you can’t manufacture. I could buy ads, I could put up billboards, but that’s not the same as the passion that exists in the hearts and minds of soccer supporters across the country.

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More info from Paul Beirne on the Canadian Premier League's Model :

Q: Will the league manage all salaries or is that something of which each individual franchise will have control?

PB: The group of owners will establish a set of rules and standards and the league will enforce those. But it won’t be the league, for example, that signs a player to play in Winnipeg, it will be Winnipeg who signs the player.

 

Edited by CDNFootballer

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29 minutes ago, CDNFootballer said:

More info from Paul Beirne on the Canadian Premier League's Model :

Q: Will the league manage all salaries or is that something of which each individual franchise will have control?

PB: The group of owners will establish a set of rules and standards and the league will enforce those. But it won’t be the league, for example, that signs a player to play in Winnipeg, it will be Winnipeg who signs the player.

 

Hallelujah 

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Exactly.  The nuts & bolts of how you do that I leave to people in a higher wage bracket than myself but at the end of the day the league has to guarantee the owners they approve for this business stand by their agreements with the players. 

There are going to be messy divorces to be sure, I just think its very bad optics if a start up league is stiffing entry level players.  Sends all sorts of wrong messages about the sort of professionalism the league wants to claim.  And it doesn't matter if 90% of the teams in the league never have an issue, they're all going to get painted with the same brush if someone does. 

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7 minutes ago, Cheeta said:

Exactly.  The nuts & bolts of how you do that I leave to people in a higher wage bracket than myself but at the end of the day the league has to guarantee the owners they approve for this business stand by their agreements with the players. 

There are going to be messy divorces to be sure, I just think its very bad optics if a start up league is stiffing entry level players.  Sends all sorts of wrong messages about the sort of professionalism the league wants to claim.  And it doesn't matter if 90% of the teams in the league never have an issue, they're all going to get painted with the same brush if someone does. 

If I might ask, where is your concern about this coming from? Unpaid contracts aren't exactly endemic in Canadian sport, and the owners are high calibre. 

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My guess is they view it best to sit out the World Cup (so far) assuming most things would get buried outside of the hardcore CPL supporters.  That's why there's no team announcements until post Cup.  There's been a few random things here and there I've noticed (the PB interview on the Valour website yesterday, Brennan has been out in the York region, FC Edmonton has been active on Twitter) 

I found this telling on the PB interview when asked about marketing and brought up the Supporters groups

  • Those groups build something you can’t manufacture. I could buy ads, I could put up billboards, but that’s not the same as the passion that exists in the hearts and minds of soccer supporters across the country.

 

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5 minutes ago, Rheo said:

I found this telling on the PB interview when asked about marketing and brought up the Supporters groups

  • Those groups build something you can’t manufacture. I could buy ads, I could put up billboards, but that’s not the same as the passion that exists in the hearts and minds of soccer supporters across the country.

 

I get what he's saying, but supporters can't and shouldn't be expected to carry that much water for the league. I'm open to hoping that you're right as per their marketing strategy post WC, but I can't help but worry that it's a missed opportunity.

I'm sure WC ads are expensive but there's something to be said about putting your full weight behind something when the fulcrum is in the optimal position. 

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1 minute ago, Rheo said:

Deep dive on what happened to KW United including CPL and L1

http://www.northernstartingeleven.com/what-happened-to-kw-united-fc/

Before Nathan gets mauled for this by people with stronger opinions on this, I want to point out that Nathan went to decent lengths in an entirely unpaid capacity to talk with all relevant parties and be as fair as possible 

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1 minute ago, Complete Homer said:

I get what he's saying, but supporters can't and shouldn't be expected to carry that much water for the league. I'm open to hoping that you're right as per their marketing strategy post WC, but I can't help but worry that it's a missed opportunity.

I'm sure WC ads are expensive but there's something to be said about putting your full weight behind something when the fulcrum is in the optimal position. 

This is all just my guess based on what I've read/heard and assume

Who watches commercials at half time or pre/post game?  It's not like baseball or hockey with lots of commercial breaks during the game.  When I'm watching a World Cup game at half I'm stretching my legs, talking about the game or using the bathroom.

Is a 30 second tv spot going to make that much of an impact if people are watching commercials?  How much are casual fans going to retain? 

I will admit I'm a bit surprised they aren't advertising during the Cup but I can see it given certain high costs and questionable end results.

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4 minutes ago, C2SKI said:

Why aren't any of the clubs promoting right now? Theyll never get a better opportunity

Might be prohibitively expensive to get ad time when ratings are into seven figures?

2 hours ago, Cheeta said:

Exactly.  The nuts & bolts of how you do that I leave to people in a higher wage bracket than myself but at the end of the day the league has to guarantee the owners they approve for this business stand by their agreements with the players.

Always a concern that somebody will walk away with a startup soccer league in North America. The usual way to address this in the absence of single entity is to provide a performance bond that can see a franchise through financially to the end of any season.

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