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1 minute ago, LAK said:

That was my take on this too...unfortunately I suspect people will take this and run with it as the latest info and draw broad assumptions based on it. 

Oh it's already happening here and Twitter.  What can you do lol

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Are you guys aware that Saskatoon gets a mention in the Tremblay's QC article....Is this a slight blunder on Tremblay's part or he knows something that none of us are aware of and it has slipped accidentally. I do recall that CPL-Rumors did mention 2 months ago that Saskatoon is still in the running but needs to get their stadium deal settled with the city.

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My opinion is honest mistake through bad research.  I don't take that or any of the numbers listed in the article seriously until the league confirms things.

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2 minutes ago, Impactsupporter said:

I am surprised that Saguneay and Sherbrooke are mentioned. 

Could be a mistake in the translation from Google but it sounded like Saguneay was approaching the league interested and Sherbrooke was a market they were targeting besides Quebec City

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10 minutes ago, Rheo said:

Could be a mistake in the translation from Google but it sounded like Saguneay was approaching the league interested and Sherbrooke was a market they were targeting besides Quebec City

That's correct. Saguenay is interested and the league wants Sherbrooke.

Saguenay is more fit for CPL II I would think

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I'm also assuming at least some of the information in the Quebec article is incorrect. But, I do disagree with all non-playing personnel having to be Canadian. I'd much rather it be, say, 4-out-of-6 of Pres, GM, Head Coach, Asst Coach, GK Coach, Fitness Coach must be Canadian. It's good to get ideas/methods from outside of our little area to help build the quality of our personnel and make them compete for jobs against a wider pool of applicants. It's somewhat the same idea as allowing some foreign players, other than the monetary aspect of keeping overall salary expenses down.

I don't remember seeing in any CPL info anything about referees. This is a crucial aspect to the Canadian game that very much needs developing. Regional schools for officials, paid by CPL? Something must be done here, otherwise half of the game comments will be about the poor officiating.

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Unless the league says it's hiring 100% Canadian than I doubt that they are.  As for refs it's all part of the "soccer economy" that they want to establish and it has been mentioned by them many times

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1 hour ago, Impactsupporter said:

I am surprised that Saguneay and Sherbrooke are mentioned.  I could see them in the PLSQ (Quebec league) however, not sure about CPL.

Chicoutimi-Saguenay has 160,000 people in its urban area, but has close to 220,000 if you include the catch basin around the city in Lac-Saint-Jean area (Roberval, Alma, Saint-Félicien, etc…). It may seem pedantic, but outside of the Pyramid de Ha! Ha! There is really nothing to do. A professional sporting team in the summer will be a welcome distraction, and the region does draw a boatload of tourists. If Saskatoon or Regina are being considered, there is really no reason to not include Saguenay. They’re roughly the same size, and this one has the added benefit of being close to larger Québec markets. 

1 hour ago, Ansem said:

That's correct. Saguenay is interested and the league wants Sherbrooke.

Saguenay is more fit for CPL II I would think

Both Sherbrooke and Saguenay are pretty large comparatively. Including their wider 1-hour catch basin population (which we do on this board for whatever reason) they’re the same size as Regina or Saskatoon. I don’t think getting 6,000 in either city for a 5-6 games would be a stretch. Sustaining that level of interest might take some work, however.  

Likewise, if we DO go with pro/rel, any city could be a CanPL I team or a CanPL II team.      

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Artificially designating any prospective city as second division is just stupid (no offense meant, not personal)  Second division if it happens, isn't happening for years.  And as @ChrisinOrleanssaid with pro/rel there is no division status based on size or population, just on performance and for when they get in.  

As a side, not sure if the stadium in Saguenay is in play but damn that's a nice complex when you include the wood arena 

http://www.woodinbuildings.com/en/projects/arena-and-service-building-universite-du-quebec-a-chicoutimi-uqac-arena-and-service-building-uqac

Image result for Arena and service building, Université du Québec à Chicoutimi (UQAC)

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13 minutes ago, Rheo said:

Artificially designating any prospective city as second division is just stupid (no offense meant, not personal)  Second division if it happens, isn't happening for years.  And as @ChrisinOrleanssaid with pro/rel there is no division status based on size or population, just on performance and for when they get in.  

As a side, not sure if the stadium in Saguenay is in play but damn that's a nice complex when you include the wood arena 

http://www.woodinbuildings.com/en/projects/arena-and-service-building-universite-du-quebec-a-chicoutimi-uqac-arena-and-service-building-uqac

Image result for Arena and service building, Université du Québec à Chicoutimi (UQAC)

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The university is awesome. Great location too, not too far from the main drag and "downtown".  

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54 minutes ago, ChrisinOrleans said:

Both Sherbrooke and Saguenay are pretty large comparatively. Including their wider 1-hour catch basin population (which we do on this board for whatever reason) they’re the same size as Regina or Saskatoon. I don’t think getting 6,000 in either city for a 5-6 games would be a stretch. Sustaining that level of interest might take some work, however.  

Likewise, if we DO go with pro/rel, any city could be a CanPL I team or a CanPL II team.

Sherbrooke economy might be more desirable to the league than Saguenay. I know someone who sells Mutual Funds across Canada and she confirmed to me that there was lots of financial $$$ in Sherbrooke. That might be why Sherbrooke and Quebec are being targeted first

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On 6/9/2018 at 7:49 PM, matty said:

So the teams are franchises and the owners own the intellectual properties...so this is sorta like MLS.

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I'd say its pretty unlike MLS. MLS owners own a share in the league and have the right to operate a team. MLS operates under a single-entity structure in which teams, IP's, and player contracts are centrally owned by the league. MLS owners are basically owner operators of a business unit in their market, comparable to McDonalds outlets some would and have said.

 

CPL it seems is following a more traditional model where the franchises/clubs are independent clubs, a model that is basically completely different from the single entity MLS.

 

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46 minutes ago, CDNFootballer said:

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I'd say its pretty unlike MLS. MLS owners own a share in the league and have the right to operate a team. MLS operates under a single-entity structure in which teams, IP's, and player contracts are centrally owned by the league. MLS owners are basically owner operators of a business unit in their market, comparable to McDonalds outlets some would and have said.

 

CPL it seems is following a more traditional model where the franchises/clubs are independent clubs, a model that is basically completely different from the single entity MLS.

 

Franchises where owners buy into the league and own the club IP. Until something official is released saying different or expanding that is closer to MLS than a European league.

The fact the word being used is franchise hints at something closer to MLS as well.

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8 hours ago, Rheo said:

Artificially designating any prospective city as second division is just stupid (no offense meant, not personal)  Second division if it happens, isn't happening for years.  And as @ChrisinOrleanssaid with pro/rel there is no division status based on size or population, just on performance and for when they get in.  

As a side, not sure if the stadium in Saguenay is in play but damn that's a nice complex when you include the wood arena 

http://www.woodinbuildings.com/en/projects/arena-and-service-building-universite-du-quebec-a-chicoutimi-uqac-arena-and-service-building-uqac

Image result for Arena and service building, Université du Québec à Chicoutimi (UQAC)

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Is that where they film that tv show 21 thunder? 

Also I think the Canadian content rumours are too high if true.  I’ve never heard of a league where all personnel must be domestic.. it’s a bad idea to not bring outside influences to help us grow.  Even in hockey which we excel at that would be dumb. Ditto to 80% Canadians!! Recipe for failure.. wouldn’t work in hockey and DEFINITELY won’t work for a Canadian soccer league that wants 6k fans a game.

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8 hours ago, Keegan said:

Is that where they film that tv show 21 thunder? 

Also I think the Canadian content rumours are too high if true.  I’ve never heard of a league where all personnel must be domestic.. it’s a bad idea to not bring outside influences to help us grow.  Even in hockey which we excel at that would be dumb. Ditto to 80% Canadians!! Recipe for failure.. wouldn’t work in hockey and DEFINITELY won’t work for a Canadian soccer league that wants 6k fans a game.

The 80% thing is still speculation, but if true, it’s just a matter of perspective / spin. On a 25-man roster, that would mean up to  5 imports, and if they all start, that’s 45% foreign content. Sounding better?

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13 hours ago, matty said:

The fact the word being used is franchise hints at something closer to MLS as well.

Not really. The NHL has franchises but has a league structure much closer to traditional soccer leagues than MLS

All franchises means is that the league is closed (ie stake holders vote on who is admitted into the pyramid, you don't get automatic entry by virtue of existing) and there may be an entrance fee involved. It doesn't imply single entity

If CPL owners retain their own IP, that already indicates a step away from single entity. 

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39 minutes ago, Complete Homer said:

Not really. The NHL has franchises but has a league structure much closer to traditional soccer leagues than MLS

All franchises means is that the league is closed (ie stake holders vote on who is admitted into the pyramid, you don't get automatic entry by virtue of existing) and there may be an entrance fee involved. It doesn't imply single entity

If CPL owners retain their own IP, that already indicates a step away from single entity. 

the nhl is closer to mls than any euro league (eg sharing money)

i'm not saying single entity and i'm sick of everyone implying that if you say something is like mls it's single entity with loads of weird mystery rules

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29 minutes ago, matty said:

the nhl is closer to mls than any euro league (eg sharing money)

i'm not saying single entity and i'm sick of everyone implying that if you say something is like mls it's single entity with loads of weird mystery rules

Some European leagues have mechanisms for revenue sharing 

The defining characteristic of a single entity model is ownership. If owners actually own their individual clubs and its IP, and buy into the shared revenue stream (CSB), that has substantial implications for clubs vs single entity. They maintain much more control but have more individual risk, the league has less control but isn't necessarily failing if some clubs are deep in the red (as long as they keep the necessary # of clubs) 

We don't know all the details, but using the word franchise just means it's a closed league, not much else. That's just a small step towards what MLS is without single entity. That's not a critique of the funky rules, it's just a question of the competitive nature of the league and the level of autonomy of their franchises 

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36 minutes ago, Complete Homer said:

Some European leagues have mechanisms for revenue sharing 

The defining characteristic of a single entity model is ownership. If owners actually own their individual clubs and its IP, and buy into the shared revenue stream (CSB), that has substantial implications for clubs vs single entity. They maintain much more control but have more individual risk, the league has less control but isn't necessarily failing if some clubs are deep in the red (as long as they keep the necessary # of clubs) 

We don't know all the details, but using the word franchise just means it's a closed league, not much else. That's just a small step towards what MLS is without single entity. That's not a critique of the funky rules, it's just a question of the competitive nature of the league and the level of autonomy of their franchises 

my annoyance isn't with you but with a few people on the subject. i'd just want to point out that they don't seem to own the club itself just the IP (based on that tweet). a lot more needs to come out, my comment is more a reply to the sizable push by fans (and even some of the league itself) to sell the league as "classical european" that this is the anti-mls based on minimal info. 

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20 minutes ago, matty said:

my annoyance isn't with you but with a few people on the subject. i'd just want to point out that they don't seem to own the club itself just the IP (based on that tweet). a lot more needs to come out, my comment is more a reply to the sizable push by fans (and even some of the league itself) to sell the league as "classical european" that this is the anti-mls based on minimal info. 

Well most information we have gotten so far has either alluded to the fact or outright stated the CPL will resemble more akin to a traditional European league than MLS. This Quebec article is the so far the only one that's splashed cold water in a different direction. I'm withholding judgment.

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1 minute ago, Macksam said:

Well most information we have gotten so far has either alluded to the fact or outright stated the CPL will resemble more akin to a traditional European league than MLS. This Quebec article is the so far the only one that's splashed cold water in a different direction. I'm withholding judgment.

that's fine but the league has never been "firm" on how stuff is done and it's always kind of been taken on faith what sort of league it is very soon answers need to revealed properly partly cause everyone hates the secrecy of mls in the main fan community. they likely could have come out prior to all these teams.

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