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[Rheo 2,961]

Only read a couple of paragraphs but putting it out there https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cpl-help-build-small-city-identity-brandon-copeland

[Unnamed Trialist 4,379]

16 minutes ago, Rheo said:

Only read a couple of paragraphs but putting it out there https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cpl-help-build-small-city-identity-brandon-copeland

Good article but a bit basic for those who know something about the question, focusing on how any community can propose having a team in a promotion-relegation system and put themselves on the map, with real estate implications.

Also some odd examples

Says that a team would need two decades to go from formation in the lowest tier to the top league in its country. I don't see why. I know a team in metro Barcelona that started in the lowest of 8 adult organised tiers in 2014 and has promoted four years straight. So will play in Spanish 4th tier next season. It may be odd but theoretically, a team could go from the lowest rung to the highest in as many years as there are rungs in the system, in most European countries that being between 6 and 10. Another example: FC United of Manchester started in the 10th tier and promoted three times straight, is now in the 6th tier, but could theoretically (and many fans hoped it seems) they could have been rivalling their neighbours in 9 years in a perfect world.

 

Edited May 24, 2018 by Unnamed Trialist

[Kent 4,027]

I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I just noticed that on both twitter and Facebook these city teaser videos have been getting more and more views and retweets/shares with each new city. So York’s teaser has less views (each of Twitter and Facebook), less retweets, and less Facebook shares than Calgary’s teaser. Calgary’s teaser has less of all of those stats than Halifax’s teaser already. Nice to see momentum building!

[Shway 1,617]

Makes me think maybe York should not have been first.

[DoyleG 43]

13 hours ago, Ansem said:

Future of professional soccer in the Westshore up in the air due to hydro pole

http://www.iheartradio.ca/cfax-1070/news/future-of-professional-soccer-in-the-westshore-up-in-the-air-due-to-hydro-pole-1.3834928

“I’d say we’ve probably got about 10 days left to figure out how to get hydro to approve those stands in there at least, and then maybe the pole later,” Young said. “We’ve got 10 days left on the M.O.U. and so if we don’t get that done and it’s not solved then unfortunately we won’t be getting soccer here.”

Only in Victoria.

[Yoginess 580]

6 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Good article but a bit basic for those who know something about the question, focusing on how any community can propose having a team in a promotion-relegation system and put themselves on the map, with real estate implications.

Also some odd examples

Says that a team would need two decades to go from formation in the lowest tier to the top league in its country. I don't see why. I know a team in metro Barcelona that started in the lowest of 8 adult organised tiers in 2014 and has promoted four years straight. So will play in Spanish 4th tier next season. It may be odd but theoretically, a team could go from the lowest rung to the highest in as many years as there are rungs in the system, in most European countries that being between 6 and 10. Another example: FC United of Manchester started in the 10th tier and promoted three times straight, is now in the 6th tier, but could theoretically (and many fans hoped it seems) they could have been rivalling their neighbours in 9 years in a perfect world.

 

Or a better example is Salford City who were in the 8th division in English Football (also just outside of Manchester) and got promoted 3 times in 4 years and will start next season in the 5th Division. Better example because you can watch it all happen on Nexflix https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80171702 (3rd season can be found online elsewhere).

[shamrock 1,665]

RB Leipzig went from 5th to the Bundesliga in 8 years. They did have deep pockets and a lot of football knowhow though. 

[Unnamed Trialist 4,379]

4 hours ago, Yoginess said:

Or a better example is Salford City who were in the 8th division in English Football (also just outside of Manchester) and got promoted 3 times in 4 years and will start next season in the 5th Division. Better example because you can watch it all happen on Nexflix https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80171702 (3rd season can be found online elsewhere).

So it's sort of a reality show on Salford City, that is interesting. Is that the team that Gary Neville is partner in, the one with a Chinese owner, maybe the same guy who owns Valencia?

My first case I can watch in person, it's FE Grama, which was founded as a replacement after a third tier club in Santa Coloma de Gramanet, Barcelona working class suburb, had a financial collapse. They have had four promotions in four consecutive years. And on top of that, the club sold one of the winning numbers of the Spanish Xmas lottery, which tends to benefit hundreds of people in small quanities (couple hundred thousand each).

Point is, if you do things right, you can go from rags to relative riches fairly quickly, I have no idea why the author of that article says you need 2 decades.

[Rheo 2,961]

Halifax website is up, waiting for tomorrow http://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/

[HfxCeltic 309]

Not directly involved in the SG, but I'm hearing a piper will lead the march from the bar to the event.

[Obinna 5,330]

33 minutes ago, Rheo said:

Halifax website is up, waiting for tomorrow http://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/

Halifax wanderers FC ....jealous of their name. Way to do it right Halifax.

[Rheo 2,961]

1 hour ago, Obinna said:

Halifax wanderers FC ....jealous of their name. Way to do it right Halifax.

Until we find out that the url is the actual name and it's HFX Wanderers FC.  Then we get a few days online of how horrible it is that they used HFX instead of Halifax.  This continues until we get the video next week of the next city 2 days before the launch and we focus on that

For the record I don't know if they are going with HFX, just trying to be funny

Edited May 24, 2018 by Rheo

[mpg_29 1,253]

53 minutes ago, Rheo said:

Halifax website is up, waiting for tomorrow http://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/

Looks like they are going with 'Coming Soon!' for the name...bad choice imo.

[Kent 4,027]

2 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Point is, if you do things right, you can go from rags to relative riches fairly quickly, I have no idea why the author of that article says you need 2 decades.

Here is what he said. "Teams rise or fall based on their performance – and while it would take at minimum the better part of two decades for a club to rise from the lowest levels to the top tier (the English Premier League) it is theoretically possible."

So first off, "better part of two decades" is less than 2 decades, but that's not that important. He was talking specifically about the English system and the English examples that have been brought up are Salford City and FC United of Manchester. If wikipedia is correct, Salford City was founded in 1940 and still hasn't come close to the Premier League, and FC United was founded 13 years ago and are still only in the 6th tier.

So the guy writing the article hasn't been proven wrong from any examples given here. I think it would be a lot easier to promote 2 or 3 times in a row at the lower levels than it would be at the higher levels. And certainly promoting 8, 9, or 10 times in a row would be exponentially more difficult than 3 or 4 times in a row.

[BuzzAndSting 2,416]

51 minutes ago, Rheo said:

Until we find out that the url is the actual name and it's HFX Wanderers FC.  Then we get a few days online of how horrible it is that they used HFX instead of Halifax until we get the video next week of the next city 2 days before the launch and we focus on that

For the record I don't know if they are going with HFX, just trying to be funny

They did trademark HFX Wanderers FC!

[Kent 4,027]

24 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

They did trademark HFX Wanderers FC!

I'm going to guess that stands for Halifax Fighting Xylophones Wanderers Football Club. Can't wait to see the logo.

[BuzzAndSting 2,416]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

I'm going to guess that stands for Halifax Fighting Xylophones Wanderers Football Club. Can't wait to see the logo.

The Fightin Xylos!

[Rheo 2,961]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

I'm going to guess that stands for Halifax Fighting Xylophones Wanderers Football Club. Can't wait to see the logo.

Vocal Minority podcast was doing joke names and came up with Flounders FC (the copyright we've all seen was spelled wrong) or the Black Cods (featuring black on black of course)

Edited May 24, 2018 by Rheo

[Rheo 2,961]

DAZN is doing a conference call for big soccer news, but it's not CPL related

[Copes 492]

5 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

So it's sort of a reality show on Salford City, that is interesting. Is that the team that Gary Neville is partner in, the one with a Chinese owner, maybe the same guy who owns Valencia?

My first case I can watch in person, it's FE Grama, which was founded as a replacement after a third tier club in Santa Coloma de Gramanet, Barcelona working class suburb, had a financial collapse. They have had four promotions in four consecutive years. And on top of that, the club sold one of the winning numbers of the Spanish Xmas lottery, which tends to benefit hundreds of people in small quanities (couple hundred thousand each).

Point is, if you do things right, you can go from rags to relative riches fairly quickly, I have no idea why the author of that article says you need 2 decades.

Hey, so, I'm the author of the article. Kind of crazy my LinkedIn blog post is getting the attention it has - mostly since Bierne shared it, (and invited me to grab a beer!) but I'm all for it. 

The two decades piece came from Wikipedia, as I am not familiar with much in the English system beyond the top two or three tiers. The exact quote is: "The system has a hierarchical format with promotion and relegation between leagues at different levels, allowing even the smallest club the theoretical possibility of ultimately rising to the very top of the system, although in practice it would take a team at the bottom levels at least two decades of consistently finishing at or near the top of each successive league to reach the top level, and even then additional restrictions, particularly in regard to stadium facilities, would then come into effect at the highest levels that could prevent a club from being allowed access to the top levels."

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system

I'm not a sports journalist or anything, and it was meant to be a pretty basic introduction for people who don't know much about soccer or CPL. I live in St. John's, my business focuses on real estate investment utilizing a community-building strategy, and so for my clients and people who read my blog posts on my website (which I cross-post to LinkedIn for exposure) I was simply trying to make the case that CPL will be a great marketing tool for small cities, and explain why. My blog is entirely utilized for content marketing, and selling my ideas. As a real restate and urban planning guy, I'm particularly interested in what trends and businesses might pop up near stadiums. Honestly though, I just got super excited after the York announcement and decided to use it as an excuse to talk about CPL at work! Haha. 

Edited May 24, 2018 by Copes

[m-g-williams 477]

Anyone have insights on this?

[Rheo 2,961]

1 minute ago, m-g-williams said:

Anyone have insights on this?

Other than it's not CPL supposedly, nope until they have the call

[Watchmen 132]

14 hours ago, Kent said:

I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I just noticed that on both twitter and Facebook these city teaser videos have been getting more and more views and retweets/shares with each new city. So York’s teaser has less views (each of Twitter and Facebook), less retweets, and less Facebook shares than Calgary’s teaser. Calgary’s teaser has less of all of those stats than Halifax’s teaser already. Nice to see momentum building!

Maybe.  But an alternative: York 9 is in a bigger sports region (ie the GTA) with a lot of alternatives to it.  Calgary has a number of sports teams, but this is their first pro soccer team in a while.  For Halifax, it will soon be the only real professional game in town and has been building to this for a lot longer than the other two.  So the order might matter less than the region being announced.

[Kent 4,027]

13 minutes ago, Watchmen said:

Maybe.  But an alternative: York 9 is in a bigger sports region (ie the GTA) with a lot of alternatives to it.  Calgary has a number of sports teams, but this is their first pro soccer team in a while.  For Halifax, it will soon be the only real professional game in town and has been building to this for a lot longer than the other two.  So the order might matter less than the region being announced.

Yeah, it could be the popularity within the regions, it could also be that things are snowballing. Meaning, York soccer fans eat up the York news. Then Calgary comes along and Calgary fans eat up that news, but York fans are invested in the league now so they are eating it up too. Etc. You would have to thing that the CPL twitter and Facebook feeds are getting more followers as time marches on.

It could also be that it seems like bigger news with each subsequent team announcement. I don't know why the numbers are like they are, but I'm glad to see them getting better and better.

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4 hours ago, Rheo said:

Until we find out that the url is the actual name and it's HFX Wanderers FC.  Then we get a few days online of how horrible it is that they used HFX instead of Halifax.  This continues until we get the video next week of the next city 2 days before the launch and we focus on that

For the record I don't know if they are going with HFX, just trying to be funny

Based on an image that just got deleted from the Supporter's FB group (which appeared to be a screencap of the website) you might actually have nailed it... 

Edited May 24, 2018 by Copes