mpg_29 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rheo said: Caught most of this. Nothing too new. -schedule will be June to October -once they announce the first team May 10 they will be going one a week Well that schedule is definitely something new. Definitely starting later/shorter overall than some of us expected. Basically a direct copy of CFL season.. There *should* be no early season bad weather attendance issues if you are starting in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 So 20ish games for the first season?? 8 teams, each play the other 7 clubs 3X, equals 21 games. Something like that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Rheo said: Caught most of this. Nothing too new. -schedule will be June to October -once they announce the first team May 10 they will be going one a week Wait, I was half listening too...I am 80% sure he said April. Are you sure? Edited April 29, 2018 by Complete Homer Rheo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Would prefer April/May to get a lead on CFL. While there is little way around it I am concerned about picking up casuals. Works both ways if the product doesn't deliver though and could play fans back into CFL attendance. Could well be June to October while the teams are fewer. End goal might be April start when they have enough teams to stretch the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, toontownman said: Would prefer April/May to get a lead on CFL. While there is little way around it I am concerned about picking up casuals. Works both ways if the product doesn't deliver though and could play fans back into CFL attendance. [Puts on conspiracy hat] The CFL based owners in the league pushed for a June start for that very reason.. Edited April 29, 2018 by mpg_29 toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Rheo said: Caught most of this. Nothing too new. -schedule will be April to October -once they announce the first team May 10 they will be going one a week Updated this, it was April to October. No clue why I typed June toontownman and deschamp86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Complete Homer said: Wait, I was half listening too...I am 80% sure he said April. Are you sure? Sorry corrected it. No clue what happened Complete Homer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Just hope they go with mid-April as opposed to beginning of April. Weather still ain't the greatest for outdoor spectators... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: Just hope they go with mid-April as opposed to beginning of April. Weather still ain't the greatest for outdoor spectators... I'd even go with first games on last weekend of April, played in the warmest markets available. deschamp86 and toontownman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: I'd even go with first games on last weekend of April, played in the warmest markets available. I was at a L1O game last night and if they don't install heaters in the stadiums with a late-April start I'm gonna be pissed. Complete Homer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bison44 said: So 20ish games for the first season?? 8 teams, each play the other 7 clubs 3X, equals 21 games. Something like that?? So possibly : 8 clubs maybe 21 or 27 games 9 clubs 24 or 32 games 10 clubs 27 games My guess is they will have 9 clubs for the 2019 launch and play 24 games. Hope they play weekends only or mainly as weekday games will drive the average attendance down. Edited April 29, 2018 by CDNFootballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, CDNFootballer said: So possibly : 8 clubs maybe 21 or 27 games 9 clubs 24 or 32 games 10 clubs 27 games My guess is they will have 9 clubs for the 2019 launch and play 24 games. Hope they play weekends only or mainly as weekday games will drive the average attendance down. We I came up with in the schedule thread based on a 10 team league and accounting for the three FIFA dates; Starting April 20 and ending October 26 would require 2 midweek regular season games. Now how do we incorporate V Cup games? 10 CPL teams, 2 MLS teams, League1 and QSL teams play down in 7 round 1 games, Reigning champion enters in round 2 with 7 round 1 winners, 4 round 2 winners, 2 round 3 winners in the final. So that would be 4 midweek V Cup games plus 2 midweek regular season games. 27-30 total games plus friendlies. 13-16 home/road games. 24 weekend games, 3-6 midweek games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I’ve been mostly lurking on the CPL threads and without going through 212 pages, has anyone done a financial/sensitivity analysis of the break even point in attendance for a team assuming a 24 game schedule (minimum 12 home dates) and a reasonable playing budget? I was trying to run numbers in my head during the day and I became a little bit less optimistic and wondering if it was just my accountant and business side coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JamboAl said: I’ve been mostly lurking on the CPL threads and without going through 212 pages, has anyone done a financial/sensitivity analysis of the break even point in attendance for a team assuming a 24 game schedule (minimum 12 home dates) and a reasonable playing budget? I was trying to run numbers in my head during the day and I became a little bit less optimistic and wondering if it was just my accountant and business side coming out. A few things to remember According to Nipun Chopra's breakdown, USL owners that don't own their own stadium tend to get roughly 50% of their income from gate, 50% from sponsorship Since most CPL owners will own their own stadium (at least from what we know), factor in stadium naming rights, concessions, revenue from other events, etc Then throw in whatever cut they get from CSB from selling the Voyageurs Cup tv rights, CMNT/CWNT games, etc Edited April 30, 2018 by Complete Homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNFootballer Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Complete Homer said: A few things to remember According to Nipun Chopra's breakdown, USL owners that don't own their own stadium tend to get roughly 50% of their income from gate, 50% from sponsorship Since most CPL owners will own their own stadium (at least from what we know), factor in stadium naming rights, concessions, revenue from other events, etc Then throw in whatever cut they get from CSB from selling the Voyageurs Cup tv rights, CMNT/CWNT games, etc The revenue from concessions, beer, parking, and stadium naming rights is an important aspect contributing to a clubs sustainability so good to see that in cases where clubs don't own their stadium CPL is pushing for the clubs to have agreements that give them that revenue. CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 BuzzAndSting, CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE and Scorpion26 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 12 hours ago, JamboAl said: I’ve been mostly lurking on the CPL threads and without going through 212 pages, has anyone done a financial/sensitivity analysis of the break even point in attendance for a team assuming a 24 game schedule (minimum 12 home dates) and a reasonable playing budget? I was trying to run numbers in my head during the day and I became a little bit less optimistic and wondering if it was just my accountant and business side coming out. Number I heard was 6000 break even, though the info I was given didn't say what the pricing was or how many home games there would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 On the last episode of the Vocal Minority podcast http://vocalminority.ca/episode-230-18-04-26-starfucker/ someone leaked to them the press book for the York 9 that the Soccer Today guys had for their Two Solitudes pod last week and they went over it (starts about 1:22 mark for the York 9 stuff, with some general talk about five minutes before) Stadium will at Keele and Teston. Fully roofed all around. Made of wood from sustainably managed forests. Production and installation of the stadium requires low energy consumption, lessening the carbon footprint . 15,000 seat. Book really stresses the eco-friendly nature of the team Inspiration of the crest, the nine cities and towns in the region and the trillium flower. League Gothic is the official font of the team (which is used in the logo) Name inspired but the nine cities as well but also for the attacking nine, club is forward thinking Green chosen for the York regional forest, protected lands across the community as well as the name association with the ownership grown (Greenpark homes) The Black Creek River inspires the other colours, charcoal grey and black on black. Dub Narcotic, johnyb, Bbeto and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 The York team definitely seems to be the most ambitious in terms of going from scratch to what they have planned. But man the framing everything from an environmental angle is like a corporate way of of saying "Hey, did you hear I'm vegan now?"....which is a bit annoying. nolando and LAK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisinOrleans Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: The York team definitely seems to be the most ambitious in terms of going from scratch to what they have planned. But man the framing everything from an environmental angle is like a corporate way of of saying "Hey, did you hear I'm vegan now?"....which is a bit annoying. It works. I work in the environmental industry (principally in renewables), and it sells. People want to go to a place that is “green”, as it’s easier than changing their own lifestyles. dyslexic nam, gator and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: The York team definitely seems to be the most ambitious in terms of going from scratch to what they have planned. But man the framing everything from an environmental angle is like a corporate way of of saying "Hey, did you hear I'm vegan now?"....which is a bit annoying. Or it could be earnest? The guy is in the construction industry. If Greenpark is known for this kind of thing (not that I would know) it seems fair to give the benefit of the doubt dyslexic nam, johnyb and Rheo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I guess I mean in terms of buildings/industries bad for the environment I don't really rank soccer stadiums up there to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 If both Teston and Kirby are both getting mentioned, I guess Vaughan Soccer Club could be the location: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8810161,-79.5212579,1489m/data=!3m1!1e3 The ecofriendly all wood stadium thing has also been talked about in the UK in recent years: https://www.forestgreenroversfc.com/news/first-team-news/2016/winning-stadium-design-announced Does being in a bad location for transit not negate any green angle related to the stadium in carbon footprint terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 ^ gator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 A wood stadium would be a unique design and definitely standout so props to them for that. Like I said they seem to be the most ambitious of the CPL teams so far so I'm not surprised they are going to be the first announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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