Ansem Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 So... 3 Divisions? Are PLSQ and L1O aware they might get absorbed eventually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, harrycoyster said: I mean, this isn't really that novel, the NASL said most of the same things. Some things are semantics and others are the realistic vision. We just have to hope the execution and unified direction is there. Right, my question is that it doesn't really square well with what had been told to reporters earlier with a "hybrid" approach Unless "hybrid" just means a closed league with a salary cap Edited January 11, 2018 by Complete Homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Carrasco Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 35 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: Clubs, not franchises. Pro/rel... It's a purist's dream So how's this hybrid work then? Is there any room for single entity if it's clubs? Is it just semantics? Very curious Can someone here please clarify what a hybrid single-entity system suppose to mean? I hope this is NOT like the NASL system where spending was out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: Right, my question is that it doesn't really square well with what hardware been told to reporters earlier with a "hybrid" approach Unless "hybrid" just means a closed league with a salary cap The approach has probably changed 4-5 times so far and will likely change a few more times before March 2019, so what reporters or even Bernie have said months ago holds little water at this point. Running a business, whether it be a pizzeria or pro soccer league, is an endless series of compromises; we are still early in the process. As of right now, it sounds to me like "hybrid" means MLS-esque league with built-in agreements to take off the training wheels down the line. Edited January 11, 2018 by harrycoyster Rheo and Complete Homer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Roy making friends in Calgary johnyb and Rintaran 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Oh hey, it's @Stuart, Roy Nasrallah and I. What a strange coincidence that we ran into each other while Roy was on the road. But remember, Calgary is not firmly on board. Complete Homer and LAK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, shermanator said: Oh hey, it's @Stuart, Roy Nasrallah and I. What a strange coincidence that we ran into each other while Roy was on the road. But remember, Calgary is not firmly on board. I detect a note of sarcasm here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futballer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 6/1/2017 at 12:07 AM, Gopherbashi said: I can't believe we're back on the pro/rel argument. So many things said over the past hours, have scared me senseless, been in favor of a independent club system, this means to me that the league aint and dont want to be responsible for the club making money which will lead to immediate financial failure just like the CSL days. The most successful N American league over the past 15 years can now sell a franchise for 300 million dollars and you are not in favor of such a system: that `s scary: Timbits soccer that`s a scary thought to bring to the table of professional soccer league. toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Futballer said: So many things said over the past hours, have scared me senseless, been in favor of a independent club system, this means to me that the league aint and dont want to be responsible for the club making money which will lead to immediate financial failure just like the CSL days. The most successful N American league over the past 15 years can now sell a franchise for 300 million dollars and you are not in favor of such a system: that `s scary: Timbits soccer that`s a scary thought to bring to the table of professional soccer league. I'm not sure why I'm being quoted from a year ago but I still can't believe we're back on the pro/rel argument. Complete Homer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 46 minutes ago, Rheo said: Roy making friends in Calgary Add it to the map! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Complete Homer said: Clubs, not franchises. Pro/rel... It's a purist's dream So how's this hybrid work then? Is there any room for single entity if it's clubs? Is it just semantics? Very curious I hate to take words out of anyone's mouth, but if they're only aiming for markets over 200,000 then reliably exceeding that pro/rel trigger of 16 teams may be a challenge. There are only so many viable pro markets in this country, and you'll want to make sure you're nice and stable if you want to create a viable second division. Even then, I imagine the threshold for relegation will be rather stringent, and it may relate to this hybrid model - single-entity or founding teams may be exempt, but independent teams outside of that core group may be dropped if they finish last. At least that's something I'd consider if I was designing this with compromise in mind. Edited January 11, 2018 by Gopherbashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowsweatygorilla Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: I hate to take words out of anyone's mouth, but if they're only aiming for markets over 200,000 then reliably exceeding that pro/rel trigger of 16 teams may be a challenge. There are only so many viable pro markets in this country, and you'll want to make sure you're nice and stable if you want to create a viable second division. Even then, I imagine the threshold for relegation will be rather stringent, and it may relate to this hybrid model - single-entity or founding teams may be exempt, but independent teams outside of that core group may be dropped if they finish last. At least that's something I'd consider if I was designing this with compromise in mind. I think reaching 16 is way out there in the future, but the 200,000 requirement could work out with multiple teams in the big three cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gopherbashi said: I hate to take words out of anyone's mouth, but if they're only aiming for markets over 200,000 then reliably exceeding that pro/rel trigger of 16 teams may be a challenge. There are only so many viable pro markets in this country, and you'll want to make sure you're nice and stable if you want to create a viable second division. Even then, I imagine the threshold for relegation will be rather stringent, and it may relate to this hybrid model - single-entity or founding teams may be exempt, but independent teams outside of that core group may be dropped if they finish last. At least that's something I'd consider if I was designing this with compromise in mind. I hope to Satan they do not do pro/rel. Honestly I think it's just PB's desire (and a dream situation for some involved with the league) but not a serious goal for the league. Edited January 11, 2018 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) I think that Clanachan is saying what you're supposed to say in his position..."the plan is for promotion/relegation", knowing that he'll never have to deal with it. There will only be 10-12 teams for the foreseeable future and he'll never have to worry about it during his tenure. ...but that's just what I think. I'm not baseing that on anything. Edited January 11, 2018 by LAK Gopherbashi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) What's interesting about the Calgary angle is that it appears to be the Foothills Roy Nasrallah is meeting (Foothills involvement has been rumoured on here a couple of times in the past) rather than the Stampeders or Spruce Meadows. Do the Foothills have the money and stadium available to be able to launch a team in 2019? If not, Calgary isn't firmly on board yet in terms of the spectrum of readiness. Edited January 11, 2018 by BringBackTheBlizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, shermanator said: Oh hey, it's @Stuart, Roy Nasrallah and I. What a strange coincidence that we ran into each other while Roy was on the road. But remember, Calgary is not firmly on board. I don't know why more people didn't key in on this way back when, when @Xavier was hired by BCFC to do their kits and branding etc. and was told not to use the colour green because two teams were already going to be utilizing it. One team would use it as it's traditional colour (Saskatchewan) and the other was an existing club in another league stepping up (Foothills FC). I forget who put that together, but that's been my assumption ever since. This was at least 6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) People did key into that at the time from what I remember. What a lot of people also noticed as evidenced by another thread at the moment was a Foothills director saying in a newspaper article that they would assist an investor if one emerged but would not be launching a team themselves. Shermantor let slip that the CSA had been in contact with the Foothills about the new league on here well before that so this is nothing new. We have also had the Spruce Meadows leak that allegedly came from Steven Sandor to a poster on here since then. If there is a Spruce Meadows angle to this visit by Roy Nasrallah it would be evidence that things are further along. Edited January 11, 2018 by BringBackTheBlizzard LAK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, LAK said: I think that Clanachan is saying what you're supposed to say in his position..."the plan is for promotion/relegation", knowing that he'll never have to deal with it. There will only be 10-12 teams for the foreseeable future and he'll never have to worry about it during his tenure. ...but that's just what I think. I'm not baseing that on anything. Did he say it's the plan? The main quote I've seen him say (haven't hear the audio interview yet) is that he can imagine it if they get to 16 teams and others want in at which point you explore it. He's a fan of it but did not outright say it's in the plan. I really can't see it working here. I get it's the world standard, but 3 nations very similar to Canada don't and likely will never have it unless it's forced on them. There's a lot of domestic sporting traditions you'd need fans to accepting breaking for it to succeed and owners willing to make even less/lose more for long periods of time if they're in D2. If A-League does it and it works with great success, then prehaps I'll change my tune on it. Edited January 11, 2018 by matty LAK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 https://www.google.ca/amp/torontosun.com/sports/soccer/if-not-us-who-else-david-clanachan-named-cpl-commissioner-as-league-reveals-start-date/amp According to Clanachan they're pumping half a billion into CPL in the first ten years m-g-williams, Futballer, Ansem and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Complete Homer said: https://www.google.ca/amp/torontosun.com/sports/soccer/if-not-us-who-else-david-clanachan-named-cpl-commissioner-as-league-reveals-start-date/amp According to Clanachan they're pumping half a billion into CPL in the first ten years Clanachan plans to begin awarding franchises to by the end of next month Futballer, Complete Homer and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Assuming 12 teams spending $1.5m/year on payroll for 10 years, that leaves at least $300m (or roughly $2.5m/year/team) left over. Gotta wonder how much of that is earmarked with a "Stadium" post-it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: Assuming 12 teams spending $1.5m/year on payroll for 10 years, that leaves at least $300m (or roughly $2.5m/year/team) left over. Gotta wonder how much of that is earmarked with a "Stadium" post-it. Probably should account for a little revenue too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Additional details have yet to be confirmed, but Clanachan expects a six-month season sans playoffs, the winner of which will receive automatic entry into the CONCACAF Champions League. Interesting that they're going without playoffs. I wonder if they'll re-evaluate after a few years - it's good for publicity. Clanachan tipped his hat to MLS, despite acknowledging it as a competitor. No one tell BBTB. Clanachan didn’t rule out entering the CPL’s inaugural season without a broadcast deal in place. “That whole world has changed,” he responded. “Today it’s a different world. You have your traditional broadcast opportunities, but there are a lot of other broadcast opportunities out there. I think a blend of the two could be a solution. Not ruling it out, but not entirely rejecting it either. Until then, the league’s executive members are plucking from a list of prospective markets that includes ownership groups from all but one non-Maritime province. Such an ugly sentence - basically five provinces west of the Maritimes have prospective ownership groups, and one province does not. The question is whether they're including Winnipeg as a prospective market, and by extension whether they have any leads in Quebec. Every other province is accounted for. Rintaran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Complete Homer said: Probably should account for a little revenue too Wait, there's going to be revenue!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: Probably should account for a little revenue too Realistically though, I was interpreting that as $500m in expenses, not a $500m loss. Complete Homer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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