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3 minutes ago, Big_M said:

Ok, just did a search and this came up from 4 years ago: Apostolopoulous heads up Pickering Investments and they are working on a major complex at that site. Though a stadium was not originally announced, we would suppose that room has been made for it. 

How far has this development come along since it was approved, anyone in the area?

https://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/5271444-pickering-approves-casino-proposal-at-bayly-and-church-streets/

 

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2 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Ok, just did a search and this came up from 4 years ago: Apostolopoulous heads up Pickering Investments and they are working on a major complex at that site. Though a stadium was not originally announced, we would suppose that room has been made for it. 

How far has this development come along since it was approved, anyone in the area?

https://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/5271444-pickering-approves-casino-proposal-at-bayly-and-church-streets/

 

http://dlive.ca/

https://www.retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2019/4/massive-multi-use-development-coming-to-ontarios-durham-region

The first phase of development is underway with construction of the casino which is expected to open in 2020. It will have about 330,000 square feet of gaming space and a grand fountain. Part of the first phase also includes a hotel and a concert venue. All are expected to open in 2020. The hotel will have 225 rooms and the concert venue 2,500 seats. All three are in one structure.

The second phase, with site plans being submitted in the near future, will include 150,000 square feet of restaurants or food offerings, a luxury retail wing of about 30,000 square feet, another hotel with 350 rooms and with a convention centre anticipated to be more than 100,000 square feet, and 250,000 square feet of film studios.

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1 minute ago, Ansem said:

I thought he was pleased with Saskatoon game...

Maybe the "sizzle" is due to the city giving them the land they want.

The city giving up the land for a new SSS would definitely be regarded as steak. I think that's what Rollins' is implying here, that there's positives but little substance.

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1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

So going through this, for those that know--what would be the likely stadium scenario in Québec City and any opinions on it?

In Quebec City, the stadium at Laval University is the one most suitable for a CPL team. It’s called Stade TELUS–Université Laval and it can seat a little less than 13,000 people. It has an artificial turf playing field lined for gridiron football. I have attended many Laval Rouge et Or gridiron football games there. There is enough room to install a 115 yard x 75 yard soccer field without removing the running track, but a soccer field 115 yards long would encroach on the gridiron end zones, which consist of red-coloured turf. Ideally the current turf would have to be replaced.

There’s a nice little stadium at Collège F.X. Garneau, which seats about 2,000 people and has a grandstand on one side. The artificial turf there is lined for gridiron football.

There is also Stade CANAC, in Quebec City’s lower town, where the Québec Capitales professional baseball team plays. It seats a little less than 5,000 people and has an artificial turf playing field. It’s designed for baseball.

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On 5/9/2019 at 5:15 PM, Ansem said:

What's with all the splits???? 

The extra splits were to create a more regionalized lower division, assuming that one of the main limiters of getting new teams into the league being travel and accommodations costs. The third split moves Div 2 from a national to a more regional grouping with less travel involved. The fourth split could either make completely regionalized Div 2 or a stepping-stone semi-regionalized Div 2 with a regionalized Div 3. The former would require less teams overall, but there might be a club financial shock going from regional to national travel. The latter would provide a buffer to lessen the financial travel shock, but would require more teams to fill Div 3.

That said, this is all looking far into the future. If the league proves viable, they wouldn't do the first split until around the 2026WC, the second split wouldn't happen until 10 years after that, and the third split wouldn't happen until 10 years after that (if at all), say, 2046.

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1 hour ago, Big_M said:

 

Does he mean Bayly rather than Bailey?

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8373928,-79.047966,3a,75y,282.32h,85.52t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFADVr-QafKkqYqxDkH5B6g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFADVr-QafKkqYqxDkH5B6g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D348.73788%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

The corn field in the street view above looks like a prime location in a lot of ways, but there is no off ramp from the 401 which I guess probably explains why it's still a corn field. There's a Go station reasonably close by but not quite as convenient for it in walking terms as you ideally want.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8352044,-79.0187388,2047a,35y,287.12h,44.36t/data=!3m1!1e3

 

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10 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Does he mean Bayly rather than Bailey?

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8373928,-79.047966,3a,75y,282.32h,85.52t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFADVr-QafKkqYqxDkH5B6g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFADVr-QafKkqYqxDkH5B6g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D348.73788%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

The corn field in the street view above looks like a prime location in a lot of ways, but there is no off ramp from the 401 which I guess probably explains why it's still a corn field. There's a Go station reasonably close by but not quite as convenient for it in walking terms as you ideally want.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8352044,-79.0187388,2047a,35y,287.12h,44.36t/data=!3m1!1e3

 

He does and there's an interchange at Brock Road 2 minutes away. Have you read what is being built on the site? 

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I used to live around there in Whitby. Bayly and Church is pretty close to the Ajax Go Train Station as well, so shuttle buses to the stadium should be doable. I get the feeling that they'd probably be affiliated with Darby FC from L1O as well to provide a pipeline of players.

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32 minutes ago, Initial B said:

I used to live around there in Whitby. Bayly and Church is pretty close to the Ajax Go Train Station as well, so shuttle buses to the stadium should be doable. I get the feeling that they'd probably be affiliated with Darby FC from L1O as well to provide a pipeline of players.

Considering the massive scale of the development that a stadium would be incorporated into I assume there will be some sort of permanent transportation service to and from the Go Train station. In my neighborhood the casino runs a shuttle every 10 minutes for 12 hours a day to and from the nearest public transit hub.

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Fewer keystrokes than explaining that sanctioning from CONCACAF has always been year by year even for the three MLS team. Wouldn't read any more into that than it being a case of somebody on twitter pointing out the obvious on there being a bit of a rift to be bridged between the Fury and CanPL.

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15 minutes ago, deschamp86 said:

At this point do people even want the Fury? Hopefully another Ottawa group emerges, even if they were to join the CPL I would be cringing the whole time I was giving them my money and supporting them (though I still would, because, CPL)

Yes, people want the Fury in the CPL, especially those of us in Ottawa. A non-OSEG CPL club will take a long time and face major hurdles, Fury could move next year.

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2 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

The city giving up the land for a new SSS would definitely be regarded as steak. I think that's what Rollins' is implying here, that there's positives but little substance.

Is Joe Belan even still pushing for the downtown rail yard land? Think there's plenty of substance given there is a known would be rich investor and preferred stadium location (two things Durham now appears to probably have that are not so clear cut with Laval and Quebec City) with a large grandstand in place and a team taking the field this summer. The absence of steak might revolve around his eagerness to actually sign on the dotted line given he appears to have chickened out on being in at the launch and is still talking in terms of testing the waters for something that might still be years away.

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27 minutes ago, deschamp86 said:

At this point do people even want the Fury? Hopefully another Ottawa group emerges, even if they were to join the CPL I would be cringing the whole time I was giving them my money and supporting them (though I still would, because, CPL)

Yes even with everything I believe mostly everyone would still want the Fury to come over.   They are established and in a big market with a good stadium.  If they joined it would strengthen the league and I believe the Fury as well.

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36 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said:

Yes even with everything I believe mostly everyone would still want the Fury to come over.   They are established and in a big market with a good stadium.  If they joined it would strengthen the league and I believe the Fury as well.

Unfortunately, the people who aren't "mostly everyone" are probably high-up in CPL & OSEG.

I kind of feel that, if OFFC ever joins CPL, it will only happen because OSEG decided to sell the team to an outside group.  They know that, if they fold the team, someone else will come into the market eventually, so they might as well make some money first if they don't want to play ball.

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17 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

Yes, people want the Fury in the CPL, especially those of us in Ottawa. A non-OSEG CPL club will take a long time and face major hurdles, Fury could move next year.

I don't disagree, but at this point I have no real interest in supporting the Fury even if they move to CPL. I would probably get seasons tickets, but if they'd been part of the league from the start that "probably" would have been "definitely" (hell, the train to Hamilton, plus hotel, for my partner and I to see the CPL opener cost about what a single season ticket to the Fury would have cost me).

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