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1 hour ago, Initial B said:

I know this isn't going to be a closed league and eventually there will be pro-rel, but if we were to be stuck with 16 teams in single-table balanced perpetuity, I would choose Pacific FC, Mainland BCFC, FC Edmonton, Calvary FC, Saskatchewan FC, Valour FC, London FC, Kitchener-Waterloo FC, Forge FC, York 9 FC, Ottawa Fury, FC Laval, FC Quebec, Moncton FC, HFX Wanderers, St. John's FC. That pretty much covers the nation geographically, population-wise, and rivalry-wise.   

No Goderich?

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Well, if we're all going to jump on the "no" wagon... Nowhere in Northern Ontario?

 

More realistically, I'd be quite pleased with a CPL-2 club in Sudbury & Thunder Bay. If we can earn our way into the top, great. If not, 2nd div will be quite good all things considered.

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Barrie isn't quite northern Ontario but rated a mention from Paul Beirne recently as a possibility in an Ontario context along with Windsor, the Niagara region, Mississauga and Durham region that also didn't feature on the list of 16 above. If it turns out that cities like Halifax, Victoria and Saskatoon can do it, there are a lot of possibilities in 200k plus markets with no CFL team.

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50 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Barrie isn't quite northern Ontario

Barrie is more North Toronto and is 225km south of Northern Ontario.  Kinda like saying Sarnia isn’t quite in Hamilton.  It’s more like Parry Sound isn’t quite Northern Ontario.  The normal divide is the French River about 100 KM north of Parry Sound.

The only possible City in N Ontario is Sudbury but I think it’s too small and remote.

 

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2 hours ago, baulderdash77 said:

Barrie is more North Toronto

But, my Toronto friends say Barrie is in Northern Ontario. We're north of hwy 7!

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To answer all the 'no <insert municipality here>?'

I was just musing if there was a closed system like MLS and a limited number of games we can play per season in our climate, then those clubs are what I think would have the widest national footprint. Throw Pro-rel and lower divisions into the mix and anyone can join at that point. To grow the CPL in teams, I'd probably divide it into phases:

Phase 1: 8-16 teams, single table, 28 games, apertura/clausura format, Single Division.

Phase 2, First Split: Div 1 - 8-10 teams, single table, 28 games, two last-place clubs get relegated; Div 2 - 8-16 teams, single table, 28 games, top 4 clubs have playoffs to determine who is promoted to Div 1.

Phase 3, Conference Split: Div 1 - 10-15 teams, single table, 28 games, two last place clubs get relegated; Div 2 - 3 Conferences (West/Central/East) of 4-7 teams each, 28 games, play one game against each opposing conference and remaining games in-conference, top club in each conference and team with next-best overall record have playoffs to determine who is promoted to Div 1.

Phase 4, Conference Isolation: Div 1 - 15-16 teams, single table, 28-30 games balanced schedule, three last place clubs get relegated; Div 2 - 3 Regional Divisions of 7-15 teams each, 28 games, all games in-division, playoffs between top two teams in each region to determine who gets promoted to Div 1 (ensures that each region of Canada will have a steady influx of teams to Div 1 and limit Ontario domination, may lead to regional teams unprepared for national travel requirements).

Phase 4 Alternate, Div 2 Split: Div 1 - 15-16 teams, single table, 28-30 games balanced schedule, three last place clubs get relegated; Div 2 - 3 Conferences of 6 teams each, 28 games, play one game against each opposing conference and remaining games in-conference,  playoffs between top two teams in each conference to determine who gets promoted to Div 1, bottom team in each conference gets relegated to regional Div 3;  Div 3 - 3 Regional Divisions of 7-13 teams each, 24 games, all games in-division, playoffs between top two teams in each region to determine who gets promoted to Div 2 (provides a buffer for clubs to get used to national travel, may require reshuffling of Div 2 Conferences after every season and may not limit Ontario domination).

At all levels, a club in the safe zone may choose to voluntarily relegate at the end of season or a playoff winning club may choose to not be promoted, in which case the highest-placed team in the relegation zone will not be relegated.

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https://www.lesoleil.com/sports/le-dynamo-de-quebec-a-un-il-sur-la-premiere-ligue-canadienne-video-c4267e61d1f6fb3e6a4aac9477713b12?utm_campaign=lesoleil&utm_medium=article_share&utm_source=email

Le Dynamo lance sa saison avec un œil sur la Première Ligue canadienne (PLC). Le nouveau circuit professionnel constituerait non seulement l’avenir du plus haut niveau de soccer actuel à Québec, mais rien de moins que sa survie....

I suspect this would have better prospects than Laval if they can put all the pieces together.

 

Edited by Ozzie_the_parrot

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3 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

https://www.lesoleil.com/sports/le-dynamo-de-quebec-a-un-il-sur-la-premiere-ligue-canadienne-video-c4267e61d1f6fb3e6a4aac9477713b12?utm_campaign=lesoleil&utm_medium=article_share&utm_source=email

Le Dynamo lance sa saison avec un œil sur la Première Ligue canadienne (PLC). Le nouveau circuit professionnel constituerait non seulement l’avenir du plus haut niveau de soccer actuel à Québec, mais rien de moins que sa survie....

I suspect this would have better prospects than Laval if they can put all the pieces together.

 

The article is purely speculative and based on apparently nothing. The team has lost tons of money in the PLSQ and apparently considered leaving before their agreement ends but hasn't because of the financial penalty it would incur. The coach of the team says they don't have to money or stadium to move to the CPL and the author puts forward the idea of the club becoming the academy for a CPL team.

"We're not there yet because of the money!" Admits the coach of the men's troupe Dynamo, Edmond Foye. "It takes a sizeable initial investment and a land that can accommodate at least 6,000 spectators, and that it is filled. For the moment, we are not ready, but we will all work in that direction."

So in what sense are the Dynamo and Levis a better prospect than Laval?

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For much the same reason the Forge is likely to work better than York 9 where carving out a fan base separate from the MLS team is concerned but even more so given Quebec City is a lot further away than Hamilton is. Ottawa would be the better Ontario analogy, if they were on board. Laval also appears to be largely speculative at this point and probably for much the same reason. They are probably trying to smoke out investors with pockets deep enough to sign all the cheques.

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23 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

https://www.lesoleil.com/sports/le-dynamo-de-quebec-a-un-il-sur-la-premiere-ligue-canadienne-video-c4267e61d1f6fb3e6a4aac9477713b12?utm_campaign=lesoleil&utm_medium=article_share&utm_source=email

Le Dynamo lance sa saison avec un œil sur la Première Ligue canadienne (PLC). Le nouveau circuit professionnel constituerait non seulement l’avenir du plus haut niveau de soccer actuel à Québec, mais rien de moins que sa survie....

I suspect this would have better prospects than Laval if they can put all the pieces together.

 

No, they hope that a CPL team arrives in Quebec so they could become their B Team to have their operations partially or totally financed by the CPL club.

They are bleeding money in PLSQ

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https://northerntribune.ca/canadian-premier-league-expansion-clubs/

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER DIFFERENT GROUPS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, A COUPLE OF GROUPS IN SASKATCHEWAN, A NUMBER OF GROUPS IN ONTARIO, A FEW GROUPS IN THE QUEBEC MARKET AND A COUPLE MORE GROUPS OUT IN ATLANTIC CANADA. THEY’RE ALL IN DIFFERENT STAGES AND NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO GET THERE. BUT THERE ARE SOME FRONT-RUNNERS IN THERE.

Edited by Ozzie_the_parrot

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7 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

A COUPLE OF GROUPS IN SASKATCHEWAN

A say whaaaaaaaa? 😮🤔

In all cases, while we all want to see more teams I hope they take the time necessary to make sure each club hits the ground running and is sustainable before they jump into the league. 

As frustrating as it is for fans in cities waiting, the last thing we need is clubs failing and going under. 

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Hopefully Ottawa has to join the league next year. 

Add in Montreal and a team in NB for 10 teams next year. 

Add Saskatoon and a team in the Vancouver area in 2021. 

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I've been out of the loop and am trying to catch up.

But its fairly certain that we won't have any new teams for next season? Unless we can convince the Fury to join?

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