CPL new teams speculation

[Unnamed Trialist]

14 hours ago, Blackjack15 said:

I think you're misinterpretating that, SMF Field have a seating capacity of 3,940, over 4K with standing room and the grass etc. Joe Belan from the ownership group said they are doing this to see what kind of response they get. Overwhelming support being best case scenario, very few and somewhere in between. But if they want a professional team they need to do better than 1,900. I really want Saskatchewan to fill that void in the CanPL Map and be in this league, their population of 240,000 isn't a strong point but they really get behind their teams, not just the riders but junior hockey and lacrosse team rush that's playing in the NLL. Saskatoon just got a CEBL Team too for 2019

Two summers ago Valencia-Cosmos drew over 15000 in Regina at the Mosaic. Why can't that be the true test of interest in pro soccer, rather than testing it with soccer than is not really pro?

Or at least: somewhere between 15,000 + and 2000 (it will be higher), you are pretty well where you want to be when it comes to putting a CPL team together in terms of fan interest and support.

[Unnamed Trialist]

12 hours ago, Big_M said:

How many people in Canada are willing to put 8M to have a team in a city of 500k or less?

Why create the need for major debt to get into the league, when the financials are iffy regardless of the MediaPro deal? You just put a stress on clubs that does not benefit them when worrying about everything else. In what other potential city, for example, is there a stadium that is ready to go? How many municipal and provincial governments have made financial committments? 

I can accept that a new club contributes seed, and that more than what the founders paid makes sense. But not an astronomical amount, and 8 million is too much, it forces a club to be managing 13-14 milliion from day one, instead of 4-5 million, which is what we have just seen.

In any case, what better way to lose the initiative, the enthusiasm, the possible good will from public institutions to help with stadiums, transport, other facilities? Just imagine: what if halfway through this season a club says they can't continue, it won't work, they are losing too much to compete? Then we are back to square one and will have to drop the fee anyways, creating a regression effect.

[masster]

Saskatchewan Selects unveil roster and kit:
https://thestarphoenix.com/sports/soccer/saskatchewan-selects-unveil-team-roster-jerseys?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1556813056

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[Blackjack15]

18 hours ago, Macksam said:

Let’s remember that this $8,000,000 figure is just heresay right now

Wher did you hear this? Probably is nothing more than a rumor rather rhan a report. Speculation more likely instead of facts. A lot of CPL Owner vetting has been undisclosed and all we know that the fee was in the millions but if it indeed is 8M Jesus Christ that's a lot, my guess was 1-2M per club so that the league would have enough more than enough funds to pay its operations department, CSB and run this thing from the ground up sorta speak 

[Macksam]

5 hours ago, Blackjack15 said:

Wher did you hear this? Probably is nothing more than a rumor rather rhan a report. Speculation more likely instead of facts. A lot of CPL Owner vetting has been undisclosed and all we know that the fee was in the millions but if it indeed is 8M Jesus Christ that's a lot, my guess was 1-2M per club so that the league would have enough more than enough funds to pay its operations department, CSB and run this thing from the ground up sorta speak 

BBTB’s rebrand quoted somebody from Reddit who overhead things at the Hamilton game. Take that for what you will. See the post below.

On 5/1/2019 at 9:51 AM, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Not sure what to make of this on reddit and what it would do to the expansion process if true:

Will be interesting to see if any new clubs will be added to pro membership at the CSA AGM. In procedural terms this is when any group would normally need to be added for a 2020 launch, and only Saskatoon appears to be far enough along on that where what is happening publicly is concerned.

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Macksam

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

10 hours ago, masster said:

Saskatchewan Selects unveil roster and kit:
https://thestarphoenix.com/sports/soccer/saskatchewan-selects-unveil-team-roster-jerseys?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1556813056

... and a partnership with Prairieland Park.

This snippet is significant because it's where it has been reported that they would play in a CanPL context.

[Winnipeg Fury]

 

There's also a significant difference between 3 million and 8 million.  In light of some substantial sponsorship, 3 million may not be asking very much.

 

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

1 hour ago, Winnipeg Fury said:

There's also a significant difference between 3 million and 8 million.  In light of some substantial sponsorship, 3 million may not be asking very much....

I guess how big a deal this would be depends on how many years the slice of future CSB income that the other teams need to be compensated for is calculated over, and whether the franchise fee is a lump sum payment up front, and if not how many years it is payable over. 

[Hybred]

1 hour ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

I guess how big a deal this would be depends on how many years the slice of future CSB income that the other teams need to be compensated for is calculated over, and whether the franchise fee is a lump sum payment up front, and if not how many years it is payable over. 

Could also be an area where they forego profits of the CSB from their share to pay for expansion fee. Really this is all speculation as no one really knows and the ones who do aren't providing details.

[Ansem]

Not that farfetched really as they are not only paying fees to join the league but buying a stake in CSB. The bigger CSB gets (which handles all the deals for all of Canada's soccer) the bigger the fee should be.

If the price to get in jumps, it has more to do with CSB than the league's value, especially this early in their existance. 

[Unnamed Trialist]

5 hours ago, Ansem said:

Not that farfetched really as they are not only paying fees to join the league but buying a stake in CSB. The bigger CSB gets (which handles all the deals for all of Canada's soccer) the bigger the fee should be.

If the price to get in jumps, it has more to do with CSB than the league's value, especially this early in their existance. 

Wrong, or not necessarily right. Why? Because every new team, new market, new fan base, increases the value of CSB. You add to the value of something, that is a financial counterweight to any existing value you are buying into.

If you joining CPL adds to the value of the league, that means you should  get an incentive for the favour you are doing to the league: not be charged an exhorbitant fee, and thank you for joining.

Further: excessive fees will kill any notion of promotion or relegation from the get go. The reason is that any team that pays that much to enter CPL will logically call out for a guarantee to stay in, to be protected from relegation. The more difficult it is to get in, the harder it will be to convince those clubs to risk their presence.

Keep fees low, only marginally higher for new teams, so that the league can benefit from the seed money while ensuring its goal of reaching 12-14 teams. And stop making erroneous arguments about existing value--the existing value is grounded on the goal being upheld, not shot down.

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Unnamed Trialist

[Blackjack15]

Wasnt the Canada Soccer annual GM this upcoming week? VP Nick Bontis is in Quebec City! I hope it has something to do with the CPL replanted bid that's vying for entry 

[masster]

3 hours ago, Blackjack15 said:

Wasnt the Canada Soccer annual GM this upcoming week? VP Nick Bontis is in Quebec City! I hope it has something to do with the CPL replanted bid that's vying for entry 

The Annual Meeting of Members was in Quebec City:
https://www.canadasoccer.com/canadian-soccer-leaders-unanimously-support-canada-soccer-safe-sport-roster-p162158

[Initial B]

I know this isn't going to be a closed league and eventually there will be pro-rel, but if we were to be stuck with 16 teams in single-table balanced perpetuity, I would choose Pacific FC, Mainland BCFC, FC Edmonton, Calvary FC, Saskatchewan FC, Valour FC, London FC, Kitchener-Waterloo FC, Forge FC, York 9 FC, Ottawa Fury, FC Laval, FC Quebec, Moncton FC, HFX Wanderers, St. John's FC. That pretty much covers the nation geographically, population-wise, and rivalry-wise.   

[Ruffian]

47 minutes ago, Initial B said:

I know this isn't going to be a closed league and eventually there will be pro-rel, but if we were to be stuck with 16 teams in single-table balanced perpetuity, I would choose Pacific FC, Mainland BCFC, FC Edmonton, Calvary FC, Saskatchewan FC, Valour FC, London FC, Kitchener-Waterloo FC, Forge FC, York 9 FC, Ottawa Fury, FC Laval, FC Quebec, Moncton FC, HFX Wanderers, St. John's FC. That pretty much covers the nation geographically, population-wise, and rivalry-wise.   

No Mississauga?

[Stanley]

No Prince George? j/k

[Stanley]

Ignore...double post.

Edited May 6, 2019 by Kwar
Double post.

[deschamp86]

1 hour ago, Initial B said:

I know this isn't going to be a closed league and eventually there will be pro-rel, but if we were to be stuck with 16 teams in single-table balanced perpetuity, I would choose Pacific FC, Mainland BCFC, FC Edmonton, Calvary FC, Saskatchewan FC, Valour FC, London FC, Kitchener-Waterloo FC, Forge FC, York 9 FC, Ottawa Fury, FC Laval, FC Quebec, Moncton FC, HFX Wanderers, St. John's FC. That pretty much covers the nation geographically, population-wise, and rivalry-wise.   

No Goderich?

[deschamp86]

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Edited May 6, 2019 by deschamp86
DOUBLE POST

[Macksam]

No Kamloops? 

[Rintaran]

Well, if we're all going to jump on the "no" wagon... Nowhere in Northern Ontario?

 

More realistically, I'd be quite pleased with a CPL-2 club in Sudbury & Thunder Bay. If we can earn our way into the top, great. If not, 2nd div will be quite good all things considered.

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

Barrie isn't quite northern Ontario but rated a mention from Paul Beirne recently as a possibility in an Ontario context along with Windsor, the Niagara region, Mississauga and Durham region that also didn't feature on the list of 16 above. If it turns out that cities like Halifax, Victoria and Saskatoon can do it, there are a lot of possibilities in 200k plus markets with no CFL team.

[baulderdash77]

50 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Barrie isn't quite northern Ontario

Barrie is more North Toronto and is 225km south of Northern Ontario.  Kinda like saying Sarnia isn’t quite in Hamilton.  It’s more like Parry Sound isn’t quite Northern Ontario.  The normal divide is the French River about 100 KM north of Parry Sound.

The only possible City in N Ontario is Sudbury but I think it’s too small and remote.

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by baulderdash77

[RickC]

2 hours ago, baulderdash77 said:

Barrie is more North Toronto

But, my Toronto friends say Barrie is in Northern Ontario. We're north of hwy 7!