Ansem Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said: I don't disagree with anything you say, and may be completely naive, but I think our aspirations need to be higher for CPL. I'm not sure MLS has as big a lead on us as some think. The year before TFC entered the league, they had a hard cap of $1.9m. Our big three markets, particularly Toronto, have contributed a lot to the rapid growth of the league. If we took them back, I think attendance would grow rapidly across the league, both at the ground and on TV. The CFL has a $5.2m cap and are apparently in awe of some of the CPL deals. At that salary level, you wouldn't notice much disparity in quality with MLS -which can be painful to watch at times for all their DPs and other curious spending. CPL having a similar cap than CFL is very realistic in my opinion. youllneverwalkalone, Winnipeg Fury and toontownman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lofty said: I thought this was interesting: TFC's revenue in 2019 was apparently $43m USD. https://www.statista.com/statistics/477857/team-revenue-of-mls-soccer-teams/ And expenses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cblake Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Ansem said: Yes but there won't be valid grounds to do so next time they have to reapply. Looks like reserve squads are more likely than academies. Seems like they prefer to rely on the regional academies to supply them with talents. I was listening to a podcast where it was explained why CPL clubs choose not to launch academies (alienating existing academies who would view this as direct competition) and I recall another podcast highlighting the business analysis of the cost of running academies vs results/getting a return. 16 minute mark https://northernstartingeleven.com/premier-podcast-s01e14-riding-high/ To which it was pointed out that our 3 MLS teams haven't been very successful there. That's why they prefer partnering with existing academies instead of competing against them this early in their existence and focus available funds in making their teams viable while developing talents to get a return. (buy low/sell high)* *Joel Waterman Might change in the future but I understand the short to medium term logic behind it. I understand your point that MLS Academies has helped CPL getting talent but at the core, this is a business and those academies haven't help those clubs nearly enough in comparison to the cost of running those academies (Davies would be a huge exception to that). MLS, in my opinion, has an "identity crisis". CPL 1.0 clearly wants to be a selling league focused on developing talents, so are academies really that vital when there are existing academies with whom they can partner with? Good question When it comes to Toronto FC Academy they were playing in League 1 Ontario. After dominating their first season braintrust decided the level was not to their liking for the senior team. They getapproval to field their senior team in USL PDL with the understanding it would only be for the one season. We all know the CSA wants teams playing in Canadian leagues thus where its viable you have to play in the provincial D3 league. The told London and Kitchener they would no longer play in the USL PDL but since then have allowed TFC academy to play in the US Soccer DA league. Does this goes against what the CSA has been pushing in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cblake Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Ansem said: And expenses? This was their player payroll. It will be somewhat less this year until they sign their 3rd DP. $22,244,535 US I wonder if we will see CPL team spending to this level after 2026. The MLS teams will be left alone in my eyes as long as they are spending at a completely different level than what the CPL. This is not the Ottawa Fury situation in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 56 minutes ago, Lofty said: 2019 Salary cap: $4.24m USD. https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/mls-roster-rules-and-regulations 3 DP's: $16.5m USD. https://the18.com/soccer-entertainment/mls-designated-players-2019-list-salaries $43m USD minus $20.74m USD leaves $22.26m USD to play with. Which, incidentally (according to the list I linked above), is more than the Whitecap's total revenue. I think it is fair to say that TFC are making a very healthy profit. MLS teams all have $1.2M per season in TAM plus teams have the option of purchasing another $2.8M in TAM each year, so that $4.24M salary “cap” is actually $7.24M plus whatever the DPs make. In TFC’s case, they also paid an $11.5M transfer fee for Pozuelo, but they got back $2-3M for Giovinco and a smaller fee for Vazquez. Add in academy costs, facility upkeep (TFC paid for hybrid turf installation last year) and other recurring costs (coaches, trainers, medical staff, admin, etc), and that healthy profit isn’t so huge Any more. That being said, I think TFC’s book are much better off than any other club in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 TFC are outliers even in MLS. There are a ton of teams spending in that 9-11million range on wages in MLS. Promoted EPL teams are spending less than TFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 ^ ? Really? Who? Not being a wise ass, just would be stunned to think any EPL team is spending anywhere even close to 24 USD on wages and I watched Villa squeek by Watford last week so.... (That being said there's a not-so-recent history of clubs winning promotion just to cash in. A year in the Prem and a few years of parachute money is A LOT of dought if you don't spend it). Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Sheffield United 13.3m, Norwich 13.58m pounds, 2 promoted teams. Villa is 23m...so maybe 30+m US. https://www.footballfancast.com/exclude/every-premier-league-clubs-wage-bill-in-2019-2020/3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cblake Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Ansem said: CPL having a similar cap than CFL is very realistic in my opinion. CPL attendance will have to grow first, CFL average attendance being north of 20K. I just do not see the desire to spend to that level, the CFL salary cap in 2018 was $5,200,000. For the type of league the CPL is trying to be, I do not think it makes sense. JamboAl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 The low salary cap, the well-disguised and still not fully clarified single entity tendencies and willingness to allow clubs from higher profile leagues to invest are all things they have got right despite it running against prevailing opinion on here. The key now is to build up the quality of the soccer without changing the domestic content rules and that should mean a focus on youth development through academy systems, which is something Atletico Madrid might help take the lead on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 They can improve the quality by increasing the salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Easy to say if you are not the one having to meet a seven figure loss every year to attract in players that will often be only marginally better anyway. Better soccer building up from the grassroots of the sport domestically = better crowds over time = a higher cap that is actually sustainable. Edited January 30, 2020 by Ozzie_the_parrot Stouffvillain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 hours ago, Ansem said: CPL having a similar cap than CFL is very realistic in my opinion. When a CFL squad is three times larger? deschamp86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Easy to say if you are not the one having to meet a seven figure loss every year to attract in players that will often be only marginally better anyway. Better soccer building up from the grassroots of the sport domestically = better crowds over time = a higher cap that is actually sustainable. A salary cap raise would be less expensive then setting up a proper academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 ...but somehow Sigma FC have filled a huge portion of the Forge's roster with no parent club involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 10 hours ago, Cblake said: CPL attendance will have to grow first, CFL average attendance being north of 20K. I just do not see the desire to spend to that level, the CFL salary cap in 2018 was $5,200,000. For the type of league the CPL is trying to be, I do not think it makes sense. I believe the CPL's potential in revenue, think broadcasting, merchandise, nationwide sponsorships, local sponsorships, etc. has a much higher ceiling than the CFL. Lofty, Winnipeg Fury and youllneverwalkalone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Huge news..Ottawa South United joins PLSQ http://plsq.ca/actualites/ottawa-south-united-se-joint-a-la-plsq?fbclid=IwAR1O4D03dl89ltngphCmf_D9hbsf3gBpmO4JGX-LalLhwBoOUVYef3PvCyQ ted, johnyb, Winnipeg Fury and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Travelling to Montreal rather than the GTA definitely makes more sense for Ottawa area teams. ted and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 FC Manitoba Inc. Acquires WSA Winnipeg, Rebrands Club Ahead of 2020 Season https://www.uslleaguetwo.com/news_article/show/1081565 Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Good pathway building for Valour. Not likely to be much past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Initial B Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, Big_M said: Huge news..Ottawa South United joins PLSQ http://plsq.ca/actualites/ottawa-south-united-se-joint-a-la-plsq?fbclid=IwAR1O4D03dl89ltngphCmf_D9hbsf3gBpmO4JGX-LalLhwBoOUVYef3PvCyQ The Fury used to have their U19 and U17 teams in PLSQ, but found it was boys competing against men. I hope the L1O team is aware that the average age of players in that league are slightly older than L1O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, toontownman said: Good pathway building for Valour. Not likely to be much past that. Seems to be separate from the Valour: https://www.uslleaguetwo.com/news_article/show/1081565 The Garcea Group also owns Ital-Inter SC, a men’s team competing in the Manitoba Major Soccer League’s Premier Division, and is a partner in the 1v1 Futbol Academy. toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Yep but will be a good feeder/bridge to CPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stouffvillain Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Big_M said: Huge news..Ottawa South United joins PLSQ http://plsq.ca/actualites/ottawa-south-united-se-joint-a-la-plsq?fbclid=IwAR1O4D03dl89ltngphCmf_D9hbsf3gBpmO4JGX-LalLhwBoOUVYef3PvCyQ After losing a couple of teams this is good news for PLSQ. It's also good to see that the people running soccer in this country are starting to get their heads on straight and do what is best for the game instead of what is best for themselves. Ontario Soccer and the CSA could've been boneheads about the request from OSU to join the PLSQ but they made a decision that was better for Ottawa and their players. Winnipeg Fury, Bbeto, Obinna and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stouffvillain said: After losing a couple of teams this is good news for PLSQ. It's also good to see that the people running soccer in this country are starting to get their heads on straight and do what is best for the game instead of what is best for themselves. Ontario Soccer and the CSA could've been boneheads about the request from OSU to join the PLSQ but they made a decision that was better for Ottawa and their players. Totally agree. But we haven’t heard from CONCACAF yet on sanctioning. 🙂 Kent, Unnamed Trialist, Lofty and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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