El Hombre Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Pottsy3 said: I don't watch much CF Montreal, but from the commentary above: this guy sounds like a slightly older Doneil Henry. The only difference is that Camacho has actually earned the reputation of a walking red card... sebdeserio, Olympique_de_Marseille, Pottsy3 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, El Hombre said: The only difference is that Camacho has actually earned the reputation of a walking red card... The red cards are not as serious a problem as his brain farts. costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 i guess the way I look at it is do you want him, Waterman, Henry or Mcnaughton back there in the middle. When looked at that way, he can help us brain farts or not. May or may not be a starter but has a place in the side. Miller is a LCB, some have argued for Kennedy to be given a shot in the center but has never played there plus is quite injury prone it seems. Cornelius is a LCB plus doesn’t have the technical skills to play in the center effectively. Camacho plays in the center over Waterman at club and Henry and McNaughton are more RCBs than in the center. I guess Johnson could be given a go in the center but that’s playing him even more out of position. So assuming Vitoria is done or close to it, I like the Camacho option even if its for the next couple of years until hopefully someone else steps up and takes it off of him like Smith, Stefanovic, etc. Floortom and Jack1997 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 14 hours ago, An Observer said: i guess the way I look at it is do you want him, Waterman, Henry or Mcnaughton back there in the middle. When looked at that way, he can help us brain farts or not. May or may not be a starter but has a place in the side. Miller is a LCB, some have argued for Kennedy to be given a shot in the center but has never played there plus is quite injury prone it seems. Cornelius is a LCB plus doesn’t have the technical skills to play in the center effectively. Camacho plays in the center over Waterman at club and Henry and McNaughton are more RCBs than in the center. I guess Johnson could be given a go in the center but that’s playing him even more out of position. So assuming Vitoria is done or close to it, I like the Camacho option even if its for the next couple of years until hopefully someone else steps up and takes it off of him like Smith, Stefanovic, etc. At national team level, Miller is considered the heir apparent to Vitoria. He could easily slot in there and Kennedy/Cornelius could take his spot. If Henry gets back to playing injury free, I'd also prefer him there. Finally, last year was a breakout year for Waterman. If he continues his upward climb this year, he could fill the role. Or, failing all that, we change the formation to fit the players we have. costarg, Bison44 and Shway 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 2 hours ago, El Hombre said: At national team level, Miller is considered the heir apparent to Vitoria. He could easily slot in there and Kennedy/Cornelius could take his spot. If Henry gets back to playing injury free, I'd also prefer him there. Finally, last year was a breakout year for Waterman. If he continues his upward climb this year, he could fill the role. Or, failing all that, we change the formation to fit the players we have. Miller does not have the height/aerial defensive ability to play in the middle of a back 3. It's a handicap even at LCB. He's also very left footed? which makes it more difficult to play in the middle of the field. Unfortunately Johnston is also a bit weak on aerial defense as well. Vitoria in the middle has compensated for both Miller & Johnston on the outside Sal333 and costarg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Like Hombre said, we are not locked into a back three. Herdman should and prob will adjust depending on the player he has available to him. Vitoria anchoring a back 3 lets us take advantage of our excellent wing options, but if he is gone..... maybe we go to a back 4 with Miller and insert name here playing CB with Davies, Johnston, Lareya Adekugbe etc playing as regular FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTransport Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 48 minutes ago, Kadenge said: Miller does not have the height/aerial defensive ability to play in the middle of a back 3. It's a handicap even at LCB. He's also very left footed? which makes it more difficult to play in the middle of the field. Unfortunately Johnston is also a bit weak on aerial defense as well. Vitoria in the middle has compensated for both Miller & Johnston on the outside I agree we need a tall technician back there, Doniel is a beast but he isn't great technically. Hopefully someone appears out of nowhere like Buchanan and Johnston did in the last couple of years Ruffian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 20 hours ago, An Observer said: i guess the way I look at it is do you want him, Waterman, Henry or Mcnaughton back there in the middle. When looked at that way, he can help us brain farts or not. May or may not be a starter but has a place in the side. Miller is a LCB, some have argued for Kennedy to be given a shot in the center but has never played there plus is quite injury prone it seems. Cornelius is a LCB plus doesn’t have the technical skills to play in the center effectively. Camacho plays in the center over Waterman at club and Henry and McNaughton are more RCBs than in the center. I guess Johnson could be given a go in the center but that’s playing him even more out of position. So assuming Vitoria is done or close to it, I like the Camacho option even if its for the next couple of years until hopefully someone else steps up and takes it off of him like Smith, Stefanovic, etc. Wait, why are we (you) even mentionning McNaughton here? He's nowhere near the CANMNT discussion. Camacho is a fair question, McNaughton is not. kacbru and Sal333 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, costarg said: Wait, why are we (you) even mentionning McNaughton here? He's nowhere near the CANMNT discussion. Camacho is a fair question, McNaughton is not. McNaughton has already played for Canada (and did well in his limited minutes) so he's a known quantity to John Herdman. Saying he's no where near the discussion makes no sense as he's played with Canada in the last months. dyslexic nam, Xavier., NVsoccer and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 6 hours ago, VinceA said: McNaughton has already played for Canada (and did well in his limited minutes) so he's a known quantity to John Herdman. Saying he's no where near the discussion makes no sense as he's played with Canada in the last months. OK, lets relax, it was 19' in a friendly with Kennedy and Vitoria both absent, and Henry no where near 100%. It takes extreme circumstances for him to be in the conversation. Fact remains, poor CB on one of the worst teams. This coming from a guy that wants to see him and CANMNT succeed, but gotta call it like it is. P-O 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebdeserio Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, costarg said: OK, lets relax, it was 19' in a friendly with Kennedy and Vitoria both absent, and Henry no where near 100%. It takes extreme circumstances for him to be in the conversation. Fact remains, poor CB on one of the worst teams. This coming from a guy that wants to see him and CANMNT succeed, but gotta call it like it is. You just described a circumstance where he was not only in the conversation but he played?? Vitoria's 36 and looked every bit of it when having to play games in short succession at the World Cup and Kennedy seems to be injury prone. Waterman looks to have lost his starting role to Herrera which leaves Miller and Hiebert as our only MLS starting centre backs unless Bombito snags a spot in Colorado. That leaves Waterman MacNaughton and Henry as MLS backups and Cornelius and Zator playing in weaker European leagues. On paper there's not much that separates Waterman MacNaughton Henry and Cornelius other than play style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Ok, since we are calling them like it is, Vitoria is prob in his last year with the team. And most people on this board dont want henry anywhere near the field, so there arent as many guys in front of Mcnaughton as you would think. And since Mcnaughton is a citizen and Camacho is not, I'll let you guess as to which one I think deserves to be in the discussion and which one is pie in the sky FIFA manager baloney. I'll also give you a hint, its the soon to be 32 year old that seems to want to parachute into a WC with us when we prob should be looking building with younger guys that have a better shot at being in their prime in 2026 and beyond. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Henry wasn't even in the line upnfor Minnesota yesterday. Have to wonder if he is basically done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochelagaFC Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 8 hours ago, costarg said: OK, lets relax, it was 19' in a friendly with Kennedy and Vitoria both absent, and Henry no where near 100%. It takes extreme circumstances for him to be in the conversation. Fact remains, poor CB on one of the worst teams. This coming from a guy that wants to see him and CANMNT succeed, but gotta call it like it is. It was November 2022 against Bahrain that he played for the CMNT, plus he was training with the team in Qatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandbloke Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 10 hours ago, sebdeserio said: Waterman looks to have lost his starting role to Herrera Last night a few CF Montréal fans were saying on Facebook that Waterman is injured. johnyb and El Hombre 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 I'm not a betting man, but I like the odds where in the event of an iminent important game and serveral absences to the point where McNaughton could possible be needed, we'd revert to a 2 CB system to avoid a scenario where he actually sees the field. Regarding Qatar, he travelled there on his own and hooked up with the team. He was not invited or on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 If Vitoria retires, there's a good chance we move to a back 4. We don't have a replacement for him in a back3 unless Henry becomes a starter in Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, Kadenge said: If Vitoria retires, there's a good chance we move to a back 4. We don't have a replacement for him in a back3 unless Henry becomes a starter in Minnesota. At this rate Moise Bombito and Kyle Hiebert may get fast tracked. Even Julian Dunn if he plays could also get looks. johnyb, An Observer, toontownman and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer21 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 9 hours ago, costarg said: I'm not a betting man, but I like the odds where in the event of an iminent important game and serveral absences to the point where McNaughton could possible be needed, we'd revert to a 2 CB system to avoid a scenario where he actually sees the field. Regarding Qatar, he travelled there on his own and hooked up with the team. He was not invited or on the roster. He’d be the middle CB in a back 3 though. So going 2 CB isn’t going to help. Johnston isn’t playing CB in a back 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 Does Gauld really believe he'd be a lock? Would he? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/ryan-gauld-cites-rangers-example-as-mls-star-considers-switching-allegience-after-scotland-snub-4095339 NVsoccer, Shway, Corazon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 Could be useful for 2026 as we don’t have many if any players like him in the pool but it’s a very long way away so I may get excited in two years in 2025 but going to give it much thought until then Shway, PegCityCam, johnyb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, PegCityCam said: Does Gauld really believe he'd be a lock? Would he? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/ryan-gauld-cites-rangers-example-as-mls-star-considers-switching-allegience-after-scotland-snub-4095339 Speaking to One Soccer, Gauld said. “I think that’s a conversation to be had when the time comes, but I don’t see why not if the opportunity did arise. "Guys like Wotherspoon and Arfield grasped that chance, and I’m sure they’re delighted with the decision that they made. I think it’s still a couple of years away, though, so there’s not too much point looking too far forward, just yet.” I wonder if a certain poster will chime in with the complaint that Gauld isn't showing the right sort of patriotism? And I wonder if Gauld's accent and ethnicity picks that certain poster's ass? Edited April 8, 2023 by Sal333 PegCityCam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 5 hours ago, PegCityCam said: Does Gauld really believe he'd be a lock? Would he? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/ryan-gauld-cites-rangers-example-as-mls-star-considers-switching-allegience-after-scotland-snub-4095339 Where does he imply he'd be a lock for the CMNT? sebdeserio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 6 hours ago, PegCityCam said: Does Gauld really believe he'd be a lock? Would he? https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/ryan-gauld-cites-rangers-example-as-mls-star-considers-switching-allegience-after-scotland-snub-4095339 Hard to say what happens three years from now but as of right now yes he’s absolutely a lock for the team and would often be in our best XI imo. PegCityCam, NVsoccer and Sal333 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 4 hours ago, An Observer said: Could be useful for 2026 as we don’t have many if any players like him in the pool but it’s a very long way away so I may get excited in two years in 2025 but going to give it much thought until then Wouldn’t he not be eligible until after the 2026 World Cup anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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