aloyol Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, Alex said: The easiest draw goes to Belize. Check out who Belize play: Bahamas Montserrat Puerto Rico Guyana they avoided played a pot A team because they got the extra B vs C team on that match day instead With 4 wins, which is doable with that draw, Belize will end up in the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Guyana will take them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 58 minutes ago, Alex said: The easiest draw goes to Belize. Check out who Belize play: Bahamas Montserrat Puerto Rico Guyana they avoided played a pot A team because they got the extra B vs C team on that match day instead Well it is Belize so I’m sure Puerto Rico and Guyana are just as happy to draw them. Kusch to the Corner and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treppy2 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 23 hours ago, Lou said: The results of Nations League Qualifying will be compiled into an aggregate table, ranking the participating teams 1-34 based on points earned, goal difference and a series of additional tie breakers. Don't think anyone has talked about this yet: With one table of 34 teams, each playing just four matches, there are going to be a lot of teams tied on total points at the end of qualifying. If the next tiebreaker is goal difference, there will be no reason to take it easy on the weakest teams. If you're up by 5 or 6 goals at half time against the likes of Monserrat or USVI, better not take your foot off the gas in the second half, as that could cost you on goal difference. This doesn't apply just at the top, but throughout the table as teams try to qualify for Leagues B and C. And I would think qualifying #1 in the table would put a team in a better position for the Gold Cup "draw" than qualifying #10. Or qualifying #1 would be better than qualifying #6 when it comes to seeding for League A. Even teams virtually assured of qualifying should try to fill the minnows' nets. Could get ugly, but I don't know what the alternative is. Can't really throw out the results against the lowest-ranked X number of teams like they do in UEFA, when there's an unbalanced schedule. /Treppy2/ Gopherbashi and A_Gagne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xabuep2 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Any idea where to play the home games ? The Richardson Memorial stadium in Kingston, ON would be a good option..... Canada played there in 2004 against Belize .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I alluded to that in one of my posts a few pages back. Now that the sched. is out i'd like to point out we're at a disadvantage in regards to tiebreak because we are on the road vs. our Pot D team while Jamaica, Cuba, Haiti and Martinique are at home. On the flip side we benefit by having our Pot A game at home, which is probably the bigger advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Yeah I feel Guyana and Puerto Rico are equal or better than Belize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, xabuep2 said: Any idea where to play the home games ? The Richardson Memorial stadium in Kingston, ON would be a good option..... Canada played there in 2004 against Belize .... I think it's either Toronto in October and Vancouver in March or Vancouver for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I know we shouldn't need to use trickery, but I say we play French Guiana on a cold March night in Toronto and watch them freeze their ass off wearing gloves and hats. Let's start to establish a reputation as the new pricks of CONCACAF. ddoouugg, BenFisk'sBiggestFan, Gopherbashi and 6 others 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Forgive me for not sharing everyone's excitement but this qualifying phase is bull$hit. Just use the new ranking index to place teams in leagues and start in September with the real thing! If you don't like your league then earn promotion. I was looking forward to meaningful games against real opponents after two years on the sidelines but now we need to wait another year. grande 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Alex said: I'll say +15 even That's an average of 3-4 goals per game, which is not unreasonable, because while we may struggle to break down at least one of those opponents, settling for a 1-0 grind, we'll likely blow another one out by 5 or 6 goals. Edited March 9, 2018 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northvansteve Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 10 hours ago, Alex said: I'll say +15 even +20 Nothing less is acceptable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, CanadianSoccerFan said: Forgive me for not sharing everyone's excitement but this qualifying phase is bull$hit. Just use the new ranking index to place teams in leagues and start in September with the real thing! If you don't like your league then earn promotion. I was looking forward to meaningful games against real opponents after two years on the sidelines but now we need to wait another year. A problem with that is that some teams would be denied the chance of even attempting to qualify for the Gold Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Treppy2 said: Don't think anyone has talked about this yet: With one table of 34 teams, each playing just four matches, there are going to be a lot of teams tied on total points at the end of qualifying. If the next tiebreaker is goal difference, there will be no reason to take it easy on the weakest teams. If you're up by 5 or 6 goals at half time against the likes of Monserrat or USVI, better not take your foot off the gas in the second half, as that could cost you on goal difference. This doesn't apply just at the top, but throughout the table as teams try to qualify for Leagues B and C. And I would think qualifying #1 in the table would put a team in a better position for the Gold Cup "draw" than qualifying #10. Or qualifying #1 would be better than qualifying #6 when it comes to seeding for League A. Even teams virtually assured of qualifying should try to fill the minnows' nets. Could get ugly, but I don't know what the alternative is. Can't really throw out the results against the lowest-ranked X number of teams like they do in UEFA, when there's an unbalanced schedule. /Treppy2/ Does anybody know mathematically the maximum number of teams that can get 4 wins? If we were to assume that they would all come from Pot A I think the max would be 4 (because the 8 teams all have a game against another Pot A team) which would safely get you in League A and the Gold Cup without worrying about tie breakers. However I am sure you could probably draw up a scenario where several more teams could run the table. I don’t know how many though. And yes, of course goals will be important, especially in the event of a draw. With the Pot A game happening last there isn’t any motivation to hold back against the Pot D teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Yeah - and I don't consider them meaningless games. Sure they are relatively minor, but it's not like we are giants of global footy. We need to earn a spot. And the games matter - they are official, cap-tying matches. It may not be ideal from a CMNT perspective, but I get the rationale and am not really annoyed with it. MtlMario, CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE, Red and White and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Kent said: A problem with that is that some teams would be denied the chance of even attempting to qualify for the Gold Cup. OK that's a fair point. To that I'd say they could've done the qualifying in the last 3 windows and the coming March window when those teams weren't doing anything anyway. Edited March 9, 2018 by CanadianSoccerFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, Kent said: Does anybody know mathematically the maximum number of teams that can get 4 wins? If we were to assume that they would all come from Pot A I think the max would be 4 (because the 8 teams all have a game against another Pot A team) which would safely get you in League A and the Gold Cup without worrying about tie breakers. However I am sure you could probably draw up a scenario where several more teams could run the table. I don’t know how many though. For sure only 4 teams from Pot A can finish with 12 points for the reason you mention. And the 4 losing Pot A teams could also lose their match against the Pot B team. And provided those winning Pot B teams do not play each other they could also win 4 games. And all 8 of those winning teams play against Pot C, leaving one Pot C team that could also win all 4, with suitable Pot A and Pot B match ups. For a total of at least 9 (could actually be more). Yeah, not gonna happen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, Northvansteve said: +20 Nothing less is acceptable! I'll call your 20 and raise to 25. Or 37. Of course one could alternatively focus on the tangible objective, which is to qualify for League A, and just say that defines success rather than some arbitrarily chosen goal difference. BuzzAndSting, Zem and Kent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 14 hours ago, MtlMario said: 4 wins and a minimum +10 goal dif. is a must I would think against these teams. I want the 4 wins but so long as we are in League A, I will be happy. Kent, CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 23 hours ago, MtlMario said: 4 wins and a minimum +10 goal dif. is a must I would think against these teams. Oh how soon we forget: Oct. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 Puerto Rico Nov. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 St. Kitts and Nevis Jul. 7, 2013 Canada 0-1 Martinique Sept. 8, 2013 Canada 0-0 Mauritania Sept. 11, 2013 Canada 0-1 Mauritania Jun. 11, 2015 Canada 2-0 Dominica Sept. 8, 2015 Canada 1-1 Belize Jun. 3, 2016 Canada 1-1 Azerbaijan Jun. 7, 2016 Canada 2-1 Uzbekistan Jun. 13, 2017 Canada 2-1 Curacao Kent, JamboAl, Lofty and 4 others 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, El Hombre said: Oh how soon we forget: Oct. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 Puerto Rico Nov. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 St. Kitts and Nevis Jul. 7, 2013 Canada 0-1 Martinique Sept. 8, 2013 Canada 0-0 Mauritania Sept. 11, 2013 Canada 0-1 Mauritania Jun. 11, 2015 Canada 2-0 Dominica Sept. 8, 2015 Canada 1-1 Belize Jun. 3, 2016 Canada 1-1 Azerbaijan Jun. 7, 2016 Canada 2-1 Uzbekistan Jun. 13, 2017 Canada 2-1 Curacao We shouldn't be looking to repeat history but to learn and improve from it.( I'm sure someone famous must of said something like this) . Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) Playing against these teams won’t be a walkover (although they should be) considering are history against way lesser teams. Look at Belize in 2018 Wcqs and the 2 draws from 2014 Wcqs. This will be great practice for us. Especially the games away from home Edited March 9, 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloyol Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, El Hombre said: Oh how soon we forget: Oct. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 Puerto Rico Nov. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 St. Kitts and Nevis Jul. 7, 2013 Canada 0-1 Martinique Sept. 8, 2013 Canada 0-0 Mauritania Sept. 11, 2013 Canada 0-1 Mauritania Jun. 11, 2015 Canada 2-0 Dominica Sept. 8, 2015 Canada 1-1 Belize Jun. 3, 2016 Canada 1-1 Azerbaijan Jun. 7, 2016 Canada 2-1 Uzbekistan Jun. 13, 2017 Canada 2-1 Curacao I agree with your point but I'm not sure the results against Azerbaijan and specially Uzbekistan have their places in your list. A 2-1 win at a neutral site against the Uzbeks is a solid result for our MNT. Anyways, I think we should expect our MNT to qualify for League A but I'm not sure it's important to expect a certain amount of goals. 4 wins is the only thing that is important. jpg75, CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE, Lofty and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) On the other side of the coin here are wins you left out since 2011: 7-0 vs st Lucia 3-0 vs Cuba 4-0 vs st kitts 4-0 vs Mauritania 3-0 vs Puerto Rico x2 3-1 vs El Salvador 4-1 vs st Lucia 4-0 vs Dominica Edited March 9, 2018 by Alex A_Gagne, johnyb, MtlMario and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, El Hombre said: Oh how soon we forget: Oct. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 Puerto Rico Nov. 11, 2011 Canada 0-0 St. Kitts and Nevis Jul. 7, 2013 Canada 0-1 Martinique Sept. 8, 2013 Canada 0-0 Mauritania Sept. 11, 2013 Canada 0-1 Mauritania Jun. 11, 2015 Canada 2-0 Dominica Sept. 8, 2015 Canada 1-1 Belize Jun. 3, 2016 Canada 1-1 Azerbaijan Jun. 7, 2016 Canada 2-1 Uzbekistan Jun. 13, 2017 Canada 2-1 Curacao A lot of these are good examples, however a few aren't really. Here are the Elo rankings for the teams we are going to be playing, Canada is currently 77: US Virgin Islands (215) Dominica (189) Saint Kitts and Nevis (148) French Guiana (115) Whereas, a few of the examples: Martinique (99) Azerbaijan (109) Uzbekistan (61) It could be argued that Martinique are pretty close to the caliber for French Guiana, and certainly ranked lower than Canada. But Uzbekistan definitely doesn't fit the list Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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