Vince193 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Edwards (I believe his mother is from Jamaica) , Osorio ( Columbia ) and Bernier ( Haiti )are duels nationals Dual-national. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Edwards (I believe his mother is from Jamaica) , Osorio ( Columbia ) and Bernier ( Haiti )are duels nationals Not exactly. You need citizenship and a passport to be a dual and Columbia and Haiti have some odd laws on the books. Honestly I'd rather figure out who is a Canadian rather than who is a dual. Me suspects Bono but that's literally based on me being bored and nothing else. Can you imagine if he had a Canadian parent? The CSA would be running at him with a jersey Edited September 14, 2017 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 minute ago, matty said: Not exactly. You need citizenship and a passport to be a dual and Columbia and Haiti have some odd laws on the books. Honestly I'd rather figure out who is a Canadian rather than who is a dual. Me suspects Bono but that's literally based on me being bored and nothing else. It's pretty easy to get Haitian citizenship and a passport. Look at Haiti's ball hockey team. Bernier could have played for them at the World Championships this year had he retired from soccer. And all the players are pretty much like Bernier ie Canadian citizens who are from Haitian descent. Want other examples? Look at Josué Duverger and Jimmy Sanon who played for Haiti as youth players who are born in Canada but played for Haiti at the latest U20 CONCACAF Championship. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Blackdude said: It's pretty easy to get Haitian citizenship and a passport. Look at Haiti's ball hockey team. Bernier could have played for them at the World Championships this year had he retired from soccer. And all the players are pretty much like Bernier ie Canadian citizens who are from Haitian descent. Want other examples? Look at Josué Duverger and Jimmy Sanon who played for Haiti as youth players who are born in Canada but played for Haiti at the latest U20 CONCACAF Championship. I get that but there are questions with their laws. For example and this is from the Wikipedia on it "A child with Haitian parents born outside of Haiti may dually acquire the citizenship of their birth country. At the age of eighteen, the child must renounce one of their nationalities." I'm sure there are easy ways around it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Like Italy, look at the law - child born outside of Italy with at least one Italian parent (or grandparent, etc) can only acquire Italian nationality if the child was born prior to the parent (or grandparent, etc) becoming a citizen of another country. Not many would qualify if law is applied to the letter. That being the case, quite a lot of Argentines and Brazilians seem to get Italian citizenship despite both parents being born in the new world. Stuffed envelopes, dare I say... Edited September 14, 2017 by BCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 5 hours ago, SpecialK said: Edwards (I believe his mother is from Jamaica) , Osorio ( Columbia ) and Bernier ( Haiti )are duels nationals Do you mean Colombia? Obinna and Moldy9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, The Ref said: Do you mean Colombia? Yes sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Also, it's duals with an a, not duels with an e, which means a one on one fight. You're not the only one spelling it with an e, SpecialK, and normally I don't make editing comments, but I've seen that one so many times in the last month, it's making me nuts. Kent and Brethers8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Article from today's Toronto Star Sounds like Oz has been busy. His plan, if approved, may address many of the concerns posted on this board with respect to comprehensive scouting for talent and not relying on the 3 MLS teams/academies https://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/2017/10/06/national-soccer-coach-octavio-zambrano-says-plenty-of-canadian-talent-still-out-there.html SpecialK and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Can you guys imagine if Canada Soccer managed to hire some of the top scouts in europe with the mission to find talent across the country, now that's something very interesting! They know something that the rest of us don't SpecialK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 If they can't get top scouts, they should bring in former Canadian players and coaches. I really hope CSA approves what Oz wants to do. They really need to create some sort of scouting development. Oz is doing a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 hour ago, SpecialK said: If they can't get top scouts, they should bring in former Canadian players and coaches. I really hope CSA approves what Oz wants to do. They really need to create some sort of scouting development. Oz is doing a great job. What top scouts that are former Canadian players and coaches do you know of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, canta15 said: What top scouts that are former Canadian players and coaches do you know of? If they can't hire top scouts , they should hire former players and coaches to be scouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, SpecialK said: If they can't hire top scouts , they should hire former players and coaches to be scouts if they know what they're doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Getting top scouts might be really expensive, the CSA might not have cash. So an alternative could be former players and coaches. Just some names that come to mind Jim Brennan . Was a scout and assistant GM of Toronto FC. Mauro Biello will be out of job in the next few weeks. He could be a scout and he could be the next head coach of the U17 or U20 teams Tomasz Radzinski - former Technical director of an European club, Currently a partner of an agency. Alex Bunbury - doing some camps in an Africa country ( I can't remember what country, he was doing a interview on the radio) Kevin McKenna- Assistant coach of 1. FC Köln youth team - could be part of the Canadian youth teams. Paul Peschisolido - former manager in England. His wife is Karren Brady ( west ham) Dwayne De Rosario - running a private camps now for kids. Paul Dolan - former National team goalie coach. Pat Onstad - Assistant coach of Columbus crew Julian De Guzman - manager of ottawa fury ( if things don't work out) Rob Gale Stephen Hart Holger Osieck Frank Yallop Also this could be a good way to develop more coaches and staff for Canada and maybe CPL etc. I'm sure all or some of the former players would be fired up to help rebuild the program. Edited October 6, 2017 by SpecialK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Thompson Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 @SpecialK look I understand your idea here; to develop Canadian coaches and staff, but tbh I just don't see ALL of these people that you mentioned to be successful. We need scouts from other countries in UEFA that know what they're doing and that we know will get the job done right All my respect to Jason Devos but he's trying not doing, according to him development in Canada will take 10 years, holy shit we need a new mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Finding Canadians around the world who can play for us is not a matter of scouting, it is more administrative and legal in nature. And then, on top of that, scouting is relatively unimportant for national teams. The clubs of the world scout and sign players and are the best judge of quality. All national teams, including the very best, end up respecting the decisions of clubs and use them as their way of looking at and evaluating players. Do we need scouts to find out what semi-Canadians are doing on odd clubs? No, we do not. You ask for a few videos, they'll oblige you and only if you really want to see more you go and see a match or two. youllneverwalkalone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The scouting network that needs to be created is at the Provincial team level. How many stories have we heard of the coaches loading up the team with their guys from club level? There needs to be a paid, full-time scout that has the power to supercede the coaches decisions on personnel, or else you'll get good kids who are not considered for Nat. youth teams because he wasn't on one of the big youth clubs. Keegan, Moldy9 and youllneverwalkalone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1996 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 In terms of coaches find Canadian coaches first, guys that have had some success winning and coaching actual teams, rather than guys who have never really actually coached teams but have been technical directors or you know camp directors. We need guys who know what it’s like to coach teams to win, to know what’s it’s like to coach under pressure and make adjustments. Look everywhere for Canadian coaches, some are right in our backyard. They are a few coaches even in the amateur ranks, or even at the University and College levels here in Canada who year in year out win national championships, have a look at guys like that who know how to coach and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 7/10/2017 at 12:19 AM, jpg75 said: The scouting network that needs to be created is at the Provincial team level. How many stories have we heard of the coaches loading up the team with their guys from club level? There needs to be a paid, full-time scout that has the power to supercede the coaches decisions on personnel, or else you'll get good kids who are not considered for Nat. youth teams because he wasn't on one of the big youth clubs. Okay, you are talking about scouting youth? First, it is normally done by modest pro scouts, with technical knowledge, not former pros. And yes, youth has to be scouted, but we have a problem: no properly competitive youth leagues. We have artificial HP leagues and similar players pay to get into, and they have a limited no. of teams, and no pro-releg. So there is no way you can really know if a player is any good in Canadian youth system, until they play for an MLS residency and go the N American championships and the like, a few games. Otherwise, it is hard to tell, and no team is really playing for keeps. Any properly competitive league lets you see how a good player for a more modest club can stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) So people seem to be turning on OZ now over November..... Edited October 8, 2017 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 43 minutes ago, matty said: So people seem to be turning on OZ now over November..... If there is a reason to turn on OZ today, that isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Just now, harrycoyster said: If there is a reason to turn on OZ today, that isn't it. I think both that and the game have cause a shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) If this was our last game of the year, Zambrano closes 2017 at 3-2-2 with 10 goals scored and 7 against for a +3 GD. Not terrible, pretty decent actually coming off a WCQ elimination. I wonder what our record was in our first 7 games under Floro? Edited October 9, 2017 by Obinna Moldy9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Obinna said: If this was our last game of the year, Zambrano closes 2017 at 3-2-2 with 10 goals scored and 7 against for a +3 GD. Not terrible, pretty decent actually coming off a WCQ elimination. I wonder what our record was in our first 7 games under Floro? It was shit but it was also more active and many against stronger teams. Remember one of Oz's games didn't count for fifa too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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