mpg_29 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) looking at some of these small Spanish stadiums...maybe anyone in Canada looking to build a soccer specific stadium for CPL should just hire those architecture firms... Edited July 28, 2017 by mpg_29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: That location has been posted about on here previously: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4575874,-80.5158163,749m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en so don't think that's new information. If that's hospital land, it'll be expensive. Pretty much guaranteed to have good public transit access though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: what? that giant parking lot?.. Bit skeptical that the hospital and Sun Life Financial would want/allow that to happen. The playing field behind CTV Kitchener looks like an easier to do possibility to me, but I have no local knowledge on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: If that's hospital land, it'll be expensive. Pretty much guaranteed to have good public transit access though Takes money to make money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Bit skeptical that the hospital and Sun Life Financial would want/allow that to happen. The playing field behind CTV Kitchener looks like an easier to do possibility to me, but I have no local knowledge on this. In cases like this, the city would ultimetely have the last say. Look at what happened downtown Toronto. Anyone who tried to hold on to their parking lots lost. It's better for the city to have that land being used and get higher tax revenues from it than leave it as is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ansem said: In cases like this, the city would ultimetely have the last say. Look at what happened downtown Toronto. Anyone who tried to hold on to their parking lots lost. It's better for the city to have that land being used and get higher tax revenues from it than leave it as is yeah but I mean if it's the main parking lot next to a hospital...I don't see how that gets taken away for a soccer field.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Maybe it's not the literal location,maybe the area like the park as BBTB suggested. I'm sure one of the GRU people will chime in at some point to clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ansem said: In cases like this, the city would ultimetely have the last say. Look at what happened downtown Toronto. Anyone who tried to hold on to their parking lots lost. It's better for the city to have that land being used and get higher tax revenues from it than leave it as is I don't know, hospitals swing a big stick in situations like this. Only way I see it being sold (if it's owned by the hospital foundation) would be if they had already planned to build a parking garage and were just freeing up capital Edited July 28, 2017 by Complete Homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: I don't know, hospitals swing a big stick in situations like this. Only way I see it being sold (if it's owned by the hospital foundation) would be if they had already planned to build a parking garage and were just freeing up capital If the city wants the land for other use, not much the hospital can do about it however, this land won't be cheap. Since the city has a viable urban plan, there's no way they keep that parking lot the way it is for much longer. Underground parking with the stadium on top could be a solution for all party to be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 59 minutes ago, Rheo said: Maybe it's not the literal location,maybe the area like the park as BBTB suggested. I'm sure one of the GRU people will chime in at some point to clarify The big advantage of using a municipal park is that you don't need to buy it to install a pop-up and there is no land use change involved if existing users could still be catered to when the pro team isn't playing their games. Complete Homer, Alex D and Rheo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ansem said: If the city wants the land for other use, not much the hospital can do about it however, this land won't be cheap. Since the city has a viable urban plan, there's no way they keep that parking lot the way it is for much longer. Underground parking with the stadium on top could be a solution for all party to be happy There's definitely things they can do about it, it's a health and safety concern to eliminate hospital staff parking without a viable alternative. I'm not exactly sure of the normal channels of challenge that kind of decision, but if the city council was that irresponsible and the situation escalated, one of the LHIN's medical officers can effectively override any local authority if they judge it to an unsafe situation. Usually those sorts of powers are only used in emergencies since it rarely gets to that point, just indicating that the hospital definitely has ways to stop it if it is deemed to be unsafe by the medical officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I can't wait to see the cheering, boisterous fans and the grieving families meet in the underground parking lot. That will go over like a lead balloon. BenFisk'sBiggestFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 With the city looking at densifying it's core, underground parking is the best option. Then you can add anything at street level like condos or stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: I can't wait to see the cheering, boisterous fans and the grieving families meet in the underground parking lot. That will go over like a lead balloon. If the hospital gets extra parking revenue, I doubt they'd care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedOnTheGrand Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Rheo said: Rollins was talking about the positive effect CPL could have on CFL and dropped this KW nugget in a reply I've seen this mentioned but if you take out the only large parking in the area where do people park for sunlife and the Hospital,not to mention the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedOnTheGrand Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Complete Homer said: If that's hospital land, it'll be expensive. Pretty much guaranteed to have good public transit access though Yes, it's right beside the light rail that will be done next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ReedOnTheGrand said: I've seen this mentioned but if you take out the only large parking in the area where do people park for sunlife and the Hospital,not to mention the stadium. underground. That's what happened to downtown Toronto Edited July 28, 2017 by Ansem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedOnTheGrand Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 hours ago, mpg_29 said: yeah but I mean if it's the main parking lot next to a hospital...I don't see how that gets taken away for a soccer field.. 2 hours ago, Rheo said: Maybe it's not the literal location,maybe the area like the park as BBTB suggested. I'm sure one of the GRU people will chime in at some point to clarify 1 hour ago, Ansem said: If the city wants the land for other use, not much the hospital can do about it however, this land won't be cheap. Since the city has a viable urban plan, there's no way they keep that parking lot the way it is for much longer. Underground parking with the stadium on top could be a solution for all party to be happy 1 hour ago, Complete Homer said: There's definitely things they can do about it, it's a health and safety concern to eliminate hospital staff parking without a viable alternative. I'm not exactly sure of the normal channels of challenge that kind of decision, but if the city council was that irresponsible and the situation escalated, one of the LHIN's medical officers can effectively override any local authority if they judge it to an unsafe situation. Usually those sorts of powers are only used in emergencies since it rarely gets to that point, just indicating that the hospital definitely has ways to stop it if it is deemed to be unsafe by the medical officer Just to let all you know there's a hospital parking garage on the other side of the hospital. Complete Homer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedOnTheGrand Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ansem said: underground. That's what happened to downtown Toronto There's a parking garage right beside this but it's not enough for the area. Also don't think the city would want 2 expensive projects beside each other when they just finished a billion dollar project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Initial B Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Is that near the entertainment district? I would think that would be where they would want to place a stadium, to take advantages of entertainment option synergies already in place. I did find this, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, ReedOnTheGrand said: There's a parking garage right beside this but it's not enough for the area. Also don't think the city would want 2 expensive projects beside each other when they just finished a billion dollar project. I thought the LRT was paid by the province. Sure it's investment to buy the parking lots but they could ultimately have more parking space and collect extra revenue from whatever is built on top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Ansem said: If the hospital gets extra parking revenue, I doubt they'd care The hospital might not care, but the politicians certainly would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: The hospital might not care, but the politicians certainly would. yes but burying that parking lot in multi-underground floors, you can actually increase the overall parking revenues and make extra tax revenues on whoever is on top of that lot. It's already being done downtown Toronto Might not be the CPL Stadium but something will get built there sooner rather than later Edited July 28, 2017 by Ansem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, ReedOnTheGrand said: Just to let all you know there's a hospital parking garage on the other side of the hospital. Ha, well, that nullifies half of that conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedOnTheGrand Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ansem said: I thought the LRT was paid by the province. Sure it's investment to buy the parking lots but they could ultimately have more parking space and collect extra revenue from whatever is built on top of it. The region payed just over 1/3 but also has the running costs(good portion will be paid by fares). It's not even the money at this point, they've spent all their "polical influence" as far as big construction goes right now. People are sick of downtown being in constant construction and 2 major projects on King will likely be really unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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