Gian-Luca Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 59 minutes ago, An Observer said: I personally think that perversely this may be MLS academy related. While that is created much greater depth of players, the stars previously had to go to Europe to get training and developed much better in a tougher environment. Of course, we had defections and we certainly lacked depth but the players that were there were much better. Anyway, its a theory. 10 years after the start of Toronto MLS, I would have thought our youth would be much better than they are. The problem with this theory based on the evidence of the tourney so far is that our best player has been from an MLS team (Liam Fraser) and our worst performer today (Borges) is playing in Europe. Of the many players we are missing, the biggest one is also from an MLS team (Tabla). I would say that Uccello and Fraser looked to have two of the better soccer IQ's for our team, although our captain (also with an MLS team) seems to have one of the lower IQ's. Its disgraceful though to play defensively, stay with one striker through a game you must win, and still lose 5-0. Antigua and Barbuda performed better against Mexico. I believe Gale is now 0-5 as a U20 WCQ coach, and yes I know we have a ton of players missing through injuries but at some point you need a coach that can get us remotely close to winning a game, never mind qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Mexico was like: all too easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Keegan said: I was excited to see him but he hasn't really shown much tonight. Still he's very young for this cycle, just like many of our players. What a drop off in talent we've had in the past 10 years. In 2007 we had players who had played and scored in the EPL, Championship, Eredivise and MLS. Now? We don't have one player with an MLS match in this team! It's crazy. I think the last two cycles we underachieved with the players we had but in this cycle we really look raw. I thought Brault-Guillard was probably our best player tonight. Isn't saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Mexico was like: all too easy! Except that we didn't force jump out of the carbonite chamber. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 That has to be the end for Gale. We have been walked over for two tournaments straight now and you even have to question his eye for talent in many instances. 1 win (v. Haiti) and 6 losses in U20 qualifying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Pull Gale out of there, you need someone who has coached many games at a high level for these positions. Send Borges back to his club, just awful in this tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, shorty said: Except that we didn't force jump out of the carbonite chamber. Not even close. (that's why the clip stops there... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I was willing to give Gale another cycle after the 2015 tournament, but it is clear that his time with this program has come to an end. Despite doing what I thought were some great things for the U-20 group off the pitch (convincing dual nationals to play for Canada and the numerous camps held in Central America before the tournament), on the pitch it's been a complete and utter failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said: I believe Gale is now 0-5 as a U20 WCQ coach, and yes I know we have a ton of players missing through injuries but at some point you need a coach that can get us remotely close to winning a game, never mind qualifying. As they were showing close-ups of Gale with Jazic behind him, I was wondering what Ante was thinking, and hoping it was along the lines of: "here are all the things I would do differently". Because you have to wonder how it's possible, when we hire within the CSA family over and over again, that we never seem to do anything differently. All these guys (Gale, Findley, Hart, Yallop, Mitchell, Fonseca, Lenarduzzi, etc. etc.) were around at various levels getting lots of experience at what doesn't work before they got the job themselves, and yet we still bunker and still play with way too much reverence and not nearly enough mental sharpness against Mexico. You know that Jazic and Diesel are in line for coaching jobs at higher age levels as time goes by. Hopefully, their playing experience gives them enough imagination to do some things differently. When one of our midfielders gets mobbed by 4 opponents, we should be PUNISHING them. They have committed four guys to close down, meaning there should be wide open spaces if you can break through. Yet our guys were not at all mentally and positionally ready to help out a teammate in trouble and turn it into an opportunity. Ever. That shouldn't be acceptable for professional players. Sorry, rant over. Just such a disheartening game to watch. I'm sure Gale is a good guy, but I agree our coaching positions need to be more results-dependent. I would have pulled Borges 15 minutes earlier for his whining over non-calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 So how bright or bleak is the future ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Mexico totally undressed the squad of Rob Gale. The little positive shown in front of Honduras faded quickly in front of the Mexico squad. I don't even believe that we will earn a positive result when facing Antigua. Our players are far behind in skill and game savvy compared to the rest of Concacaf teams in this championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Dominic94 said: So how bright or bleak is the future ? Tough to say. Our players need to eventually be starting in MLS, at a minimum, for our full CMNT program to improve. We're not there yet, and it doesn't look any closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 hours ago, 1996 said: The difference in tactical awareness and even skill level is incredible, and I could have said this same thing like 20 years ago, nothing has changed its so sad to see. And yet you prefer the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 20 years ago, we would have still lost to Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One American Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I would say the next few years are promising for Canada. After that .... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One American Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The worst part sounds like the center backs were poor. How much are you all willing to bribe Ferreira and Hedges with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince193 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Gale seems to be in the Klinsmann mold of coaches. Great relationships with many of the players and very good at recruiting, but lacks a tactical game plan and identity he can develop a squad with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, PopePouri said: 20 years ago, we would have still lost to Mexico. And if we don't want to still be losing to Mexico in another 20 years, we need to look at why and make corrections. If it's tactical acumen, then we need coaches that fully understand the Mexican game and what works to break it down, and who can instill that in younger players. If it's mental preparation, that is also on the coaches for player selection (which ones have the right disposition) and preparation for beating Mexico/Honduras/USA/Costa Rica/Panama, not just bunkering for a draw. We've got a collective inferiority complex that we have to shake. If it's a skill deficit (and not just poor execution on the day, which to my mind can be explained as much by poor mental preparation and lack of team cohesion) then I'm at a loss, because we have players that are skilled enough to play for the junior sides at Liverpool, Lyon, Energie Cottbus, Chelsea, etc. -- how could those same players not be skilled enough to compete with players playing at similar levels in Liga MX? Except perhaps that there is a greater identity of how El Tri plays among all the young Mexicans. Have to say, though, whatever the explanation, the skill deficit today was huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, PopePouri said: 20 years ago, we would have still lost to Mexico. 20 years ago we tied Mexico and beat the US. We were Concacaf U20 champions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament We also beat Mexico in 2001 in this tourney and won our group with Mexico in it to qualify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament And qualified in 2003 by winning our group by beating the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament And won are group again to qualify in 2005 by beating Mexico again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament so hence, you see the regression at Concacaf level since the MLS academies have come about (remember that Whitecaps have had their academy for the same length of time I believe as TFC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Also, look at the qualifications per country from this age group. We are still third in number but have not qualified since 2007 (when we hosted). Number of FIFA U-20 World Cup qualifications by country. Nation No. Qualifying years United States 14 1981, 1983, 1987, 1989, 1993, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2013, 2015 Mexico 14 1977, 1979, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1991, 1993, 1997, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011, 2013, 2015 Canada 8 1979, 1985, 1987, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007 Costa Rica 8 1989, 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2007, 2009, 2011 Honduras 6 1977, 1995, 1999, 2005, 2009, 2015 Panama 5 2003, 2005, 2007, 2011, 2015 Trinidad and Tobago 2 1991, 2009 Jamaica 1 2001 Guatemala 1 2011 El Salvador 1 2013 Cuba 1 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 so my 2 cents...tactics all wrong set up to loose...or tie no intent to win in a must win game...I don't care what kind of players you have(Tabla or messi's son) if u set up the way we did you have no chance...like I said before I am an ex pro player, ex pro coach and UEFA A licence coach but what do I know... Lastly we were robbed tonight and I mean literally. Upon trying to enter the stadium the security frisked us and then told us that we could not take any coins into the stadium and we had to give them all our money or we couldn't come in...it was a real shake down...I am seriously disgusted by what happened... The game itself I won't say anymore about for me we need to fix the tactics before we complain about the players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenardG Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, An Observer said: 20 years ago we tied Mexico and beat the US. We were Concacaf U20 champions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament We also beat Mexico in 2001 in this tourney and won our group with Mexico in it to qualify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament And qualified in 2003 by winning our group by beating the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament And won are group again to qualify in 2005 by beating Mexico again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CONCACAF_U-20_Tournament so hence, you see the regression at Concacaf level since the MLS academies have come about (remember that Whitecaps have had their academy for the same length of time I believe as TFC) I think you should have a look at the roster for all of the above. I"m sure you will find as one Example the 2001 team were made of 81- 82 players, relatively same age group. This team had only a few 97 5 in total the rest all younger in age. They had no chance against Mexico, who's roster was primarily made up mostly of age. Way to young of a team to compete at this level. A start would have been more 97 than rather younger, I think would have been better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 hours ago, spitfire said: Lastly we were robbed tonight and I mean literally. Upon trying to enter the stadium the security frisked us and then told us that we could not take any coins into the stadium and we had to give them all our money or we couldn't come in...it was a real shake down...I am seriously disgusted by what happened... Sorry. That isn't being robbed. That is common practice. Can't take coins to the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 hours ago, masster said: Sorry. That isn't being robbed. That is common practice. Can't take coins to the stadium. I should know better than to post on here... But as I said in previous post what do I know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 hours ago, shorty said: If it's a skill deficit (and not just poor execution on the day, which to my mind can be explained as much by poor mental preparation and lack of team cohesion) then I'm at a loss, because we have players that are skilled enough to play for the junior sides at Liverpool, Lyon, Energie Cottbus, Chelsea, etc. -- how could those same players not be skilled enough to compete with players playing at similar levels in Liga MX? Except perhaps that there is a greater identity of how El Tri plays among all the young Mexicans. Being with U18 sides at top clubs like Liverpool and OL (not so much Cottbus) doesn't mean as much as most people think. Those guys are young to play effectively in U20 matches like these. Also, who is at Chelsea?? If you're referring to Tomori well he's not even here. That's probably the biggest problem with this squad - we don't have our 3 best players in this age group (Tomori, Tabla and Davies). The lack of quality is extremely noticeable so not sure how Gale gets so much blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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