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34 minutes ago, SpursFlu said:

No its not moot. Forgot if he's coming or not

You think the league would not allow Larin back? That's what you implied.  Thats a big statement. 

Dude, most people here would agree with this "big statement" based on how the whole transfer went down. It doesn't take Robert Langdon-esque skills to decipher that.

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15 minutes ago, Oranje said:

Dude, most people here would agree with this "big statement" based on how the whole transfer went down. It doesn't take Robert Langdon-esque skills to decipher that.

Fine but i dont

 

I would have a big problem with that. I would think the Whitecaps would have a big problem with that.  The CSA should have a big problem with that.  In 3 or 5 or 10 years from now if say MTL or TFC would run in to the same problem, all Canadian mls fans should have a big problem with that

 

And if this is such common knowledge well clearly the Whitecaps havent got the memo. You'd think the league office would reach out to them and let them know not to waist their time and energy

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12 minutes ago, SpursFlu said:

Fine but i dont

 

I would have a big problem with that. I would think the Whitecaps would have a big problem with that.  The CSA should have a big problem with that.  In 3 or 5 or 10 years from now if say MTL or TFC would run in to the same problem, all Canadian mls fans should have a big problem with that

 

And if this is such common knowledge well clearly the Whitecaps havent got the memo. You'd think the league office would reach out to them and let them know not to waist their time and energy

The issue with your reasoning is that you believe that the MLS actually cares about you as a fan in Canada, the CSA and the growth of the game in Canada, or the Canadian franchises, when in reality, that's just not the case.

 

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2 minutes ago, Oranje said:

The issue with your reasoning is that you believe that the MLS actually cares about you as a fan in Canada, the CSA and the growth of the game in Canada, or the Canadian franchises, when in reality, that's just not the case.

 

Clever and may be true but different topic. The right topic would be did the MLS actually learn from the Lariin situation? I think they did and thats part of the reason i dont think they hold as big a grudge as " everyone" seems to think 

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25 minutes ago, SpursFlu said:

Clever and may be true but different topic. The right topic would be did the MLS actually learn from the Lariin situation? I think they did and thats part of the reason i dont think they hold as big a grudge as " everyone" seems to think 

Not to be too pointed, but on what basis are you making that claim?  They haven't (AFAIK) devolved any sort of player contract control to clubs.  They are still (AFAIK) signing contracts with "option" years. 

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I like pointed. They have seen the benefit of players like Davies and Almiron moving on and have openly expressed that theyre willing to embrace a "selling league" label in order to gain credibility. Because lets be honest, everyone outside of 5 or 6 teams ultimately are sellers. I think they also realize they need to retain yound domestic talents. The last U20 wcup there was like 2 starters on the US team from mls clubs. I think conventional wisdom was that young players wanted to go to europe because they could develop more but now its more about money. Why stay in the MLS if theyre going to handcuff you to a crap contract for 5 years. Jurgen criticized the MLS for this saying players should be paid for what they will do during the duration of their contract not for what theyve done prior to signing the contract.

Im not sure about changes to contract rules but player signings and the leagues public attitude seems to have changed since Larin left

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4 hours ago, SpursFlu said:

No its not moot. Forgot if he's coming or not

You think the league would not allow Larin back? That's what you implied.  Thats a big statement. 

How is that too difficult to understand? It is within their powers because of how the league is structured. Whether they would do that is the big question but Garner seems like a vindictive little man to me so...

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1 hour ago, SpursFlu said:

I like pointed. They have seen the benefit of players like Davies and Almiron moving on and have openly expressed that theyre willing to embrace a "selling league" label in order to gain credibility. Because lets be honest, everyone outside of 5 or 6 teams ultimately are sellers. I think they also realize they need to retain yound domestic talents. The last U20 wcup there was like 2 starters on the US team from mls clubs. I think conventional wisdom was that young players wanted to go to europe because they could develop more but now its more about money. Why stay in the MLS if theyre going to handcuff you to a crap contract for 5 years. Jurgen criticized the MLS for this saying players should be paid for what they will do during the duration of their contract not for what theyve done prior to signing the contract.

Im not sure about changes to contract rules but player signings and the leagues public attitude seems to have changed since Larin left

 Being a selling league or not has nothing to do with it.  MLS sees a guy who signs a deal (with options) and forces his way out of the league.  That is a terrible precident to let sit there from MLS point of view.  If you arent going to honor the contract, dont sign a 3 year plus option deal.  If Fifa says its not binding then its not binding for everyone not just the top talent and all the leagues with unilateral option years need to stop.  And MLS will put up a fight on that because their rules are murky as hell.   If the rules are clear then everyone can negotiate in the open (know exactly where they stand) and a Larin or Camilo situation wont happen. 

There might not be anything against Larin personally but I imagine the agent/management that forced the move from Orlando wont be very popular with MLS.  Its a nasty can of worms they dont want opened and I dont remember seeing any changes in attitude about it.   

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Instanbul Basaksehir has had a monumental collapse in the Super Lig.  Winning only once in their past 6 games.  After today's tie Galatasaray are only 3 points behind and Besiktas 4 points with a game in hand.  At one point Besiktas looked unlikely to crack the top 2 which would give a Champions League spot.  If Besiktas win the remaining 4 games they will at minimum finish 2nd and qualify for Champions League.  Sunday will be the big game vs Galatasaray who is 1 point ahead of them.  Galatsaray also play Basaksehir in a couple weeks which could help Besiktas title chances even more.

Point being - I doubt we will see very little, if any of Cyle Larin for the remainder of the season unless Besiktas are up large in a game.  Besiktas have everything to play for right now.

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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, Ansem said:

Don't faint...Cyle is starting

According to Google, he is on the left wing, with Yalcin striking (and getting the opener).

 

Edited by dyslexic nam

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Posted (edited)

He's really blowing his opportunity 

Played the full 90. Looked like he hadn't played in a while. Was out wide for most of the match but moved more central with about 25 minutes left. Was looking kind of gassed by the 60th minute and then missed a clear chance that he should have realistically got on net and definitely should have scored. 

Quote from Besiktas reddit: Larin şu ana kadar gördüğüm en kötü Beşiktaş oyuncusu olabilir. 

Which translates to: Larin may be the worst Besiktas player I've ever seen

Also another quote which referred to Larin as an absolute joke of a footballer. 

I like the guy but he probably shouldn't be at Besiktas anymore. 

Edited by JuicyHam

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37 minutes ago, JuicyHam said:

He's really blowing his opportunity 

Played the full 90. Looked like he hadn't played in a while. Was out wide for most of the match but moved more central with about 25 minutes left. Was looking kind of gassed by the 60th minute and then missed a clear chance that he should have realistically got on net and definitely should have scored. 

Quote from Besiktas reddit: Larin şu ana kadar gördüğüm en kötü Beşiktaş oyuncusu olabilir. 

Which translates to: Larin may be the worst Besiktas player I've ever seen

Also another quote which referred to Larin as an absolute joke of a footballer. 

I like the guy but he probably shouldn't be at Besiktas anymore. 

They also said the same sort of thing about Atiba toward the end of last season when he was struggling with fitness.

I agree it may be time for him to move on, but a couple of overblown takes from fans mean next to nothing. He obviously isn't match fit and is being played way out of position; he could still conceivably turn things around next year with a full preseason and opportunities to play as a striker.

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3 hours ago, Zem said:

They also said the same sort of thing about Atiba toward the end of last season when he was struggling with fitness.

I agree it may be time for him to move on, but a couple of overblown takes from fans mean next to nothing. He obviously isn't match fit and is being played way out of position; he could still conceivably turn things around next year with a full preseason and opportunities to play as a striker.

Agreed. I'm hoping the Gold Cup can be the tournament that kick starts his rise or perhaps prompts a move that is better suited to him. He'll have his chances and hopefully he can take them. Regardless of how poor he was today or whether he was played out of position I'm very happy he got some game time in before the tournament. 

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Depending how the line ups and where they decide to play some players. Latin potentially shouldn’t even see the pitch at the World Cup. Definitely shouldn’t start any games.

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1 hour ago, Reign said:

Depending how the line ups and where they decide to play some players. Latin potentially shouldn’t even see the pitch at the World Cup. Definitely shouldn’t start any games.

Cavallini cant play every minute, especially if we get to the quarters or semis.  If people are advocating giving Borjan a game off, then Cav, David Hoilet, Arfield, Kaye should all be subbed or rested as well.  I think they'll be an appearance by Larin, and Osorio, Tiebert, Piette etc.   Room to play almost everyone, unless we **** the bed and go out early.

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2 hours ago, Bison44 said:

Cavallini cant play every minute, especially if we get to the quarters or semis.  If people are advocating giving Borjan a game off, then Cav, David Hoilet, Arfield, Kaye should all be subbed or rested as well.  I think they'll be an appearance by Larin, and Osorio, Tiebert, Piette etc.   Room to play almost everyone, unless we **** the bed and go out early.

David mite be played as a lone striker ? Who knows. No confidence in Larin for me atm. I’d be very careful of giving him many minutes.

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15 minutes ago, Reign said:

David mite be played as a lone striker ? Who knows. No confidence in Larin for me atm. I’d be very careful of giving him many minutes.

I think Millar can play up top or at least has with kilmarnock/Liverpool u-23

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Posted (edited)

He's currently not a starter but I'm not too concerned.  Even at his age he will have double the international goals compared to anyone else on this roster for Canada.  I'm disappointed how 2019 has gone for him but he's still talented.  Over his 3 years in the MLS he scored more goals than Jozy Altidore.  He makes than 18 man squad weekly for one of the best Turkish teams.  In comparison Davies has played 74 min (less than a full game) for Bayern Munich's first team in 2019 and no one is concerned.  Not too mention he didn't play for the last 3 months in 2018 either.

I get that Davies is younger than Larin and plays for a better team.  My point is that there are some talented players that should be included in our roster that have lacked playing time in 2019.  He also trains every day with a top European club.  The coaching and training is going to be better and more intense than what Ricketts has in Lithuania for example.

Cavallini is my starter but I'm not willing to experiment with strikers during the Gold Cup tournament.

Edited by Corazon

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