harrycoyster Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Stryker911 said: TBH West Brom sounds like an ideal scenario that people on here have been saying for years. Go to mid-level league and develop then can go right to a Premier league side if he does well. More often than not, that situation ends up as: Does well in mid-level league, trains with PL side in preseason before being sent back to the mid-level league for one more season, rejoins PL side a year later where a shiny new signing from the Bundesliga or Ligue 1 gets the starting role, transferred out in winter to a side you could have signed for 3 years ago. And that's if there aren't work permit issues. I firmly believe nobody should sign with a EPL side unless they are coming from another top 6 league. The EPL chews up and spits out most other players and doesn't even compare developmentally to the Bundesliga or Portugal. I don't think its a coincidence that both Mexico and the US have had huge youth success in Europe recently after focusing on getting players into Germany/Portugal/Netherlands instead of Spain and England. jpg75 and Chad_Impact 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, PhillyCanuck said: Looks like Larin is keeping an eye on Beşiktaş, which has been a rumoured destination for months: https://twitter.com/CyleLarin/status/933015016453709825 The tweet doesn't seem to really point to anything indicating a move. But every response to his tweet are people saying "Come to Besiktas". Nice to see he seems to be wanted by their fans (I'm assuming most are legit Besiktas fans, and not just CMNT fans.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Chad_Impact said: Premier League sides develop players? That's news to me The loan to West Brom would (supposedly) involve an immediate loan to a strong 2nd tier league. I suspect that was the developmental aspect he was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, harrycoyster said: I don't think its a coincidence that both Mexico and the US have had huge youth success in Europe recently after focusing on getting players into Germany/Portugal/Netherlands instead of Spain and England. Mexico and the US gave up on getting their players into Spain, right. Where do you make this stuff up? Edited November 21, 2017 by Unnamed Trialist Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Mexico and the US gave up on getting their players into Spain, right. Where do you make this stuff up? Number of Mexican players on the books at La Liga clubs in 2012: 6. Number of Mexican players on the books at La Liga clubs in 2017: 2...1 after Vela comes to MLS in a month. Number of Mexican players on the books at Primeira Liga clubs in 2012: 1. Number of Mexican players on the books at Primeira Liga clubs in 2017: 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 36 minutes ago, harrycoyster said: Number of Mexican players on the books at La Liga clubs in 2012: 6. Number of Mexican players on the books at La Liga clubs in 2017: 2...1 after Vela comes to MLS in a month. Number of Mexican players on the books at Primeira Liga clubs in 2012: 1. Number of Mexican players on the books at Primeira Liga clubs in 2017: 9. Because, as you seemed to say, they decided to stop trying to get in and gave up on it? As if it was a conscious decision on their part, that is what you seemed to be implying. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The large influx of Mexicans in Portugal is likely due to the success of FC Porto mining under-rated talent in Liga MX, notably with guys like Jackson Martinez etc. earlier this decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just curious who do you think the other Turkish team is. Aside from Besiktas has any Turkish team been in the picture ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Because, as you seemed to say, they decided to stop trying to get in and gave up on it? As if it was a conscious decision on their part, that is what you seemed to be implying. There wasn't a grand conspiracy at the FMF to abandon Spain, but the players and agents learned that the best thing for growth was to go to Portugal. Same with the US and England/Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Celtic is the safe option. Should get plenty of reps and can pad his stats. Gets to play in Europe regularly and the level of domestic competition will give him a few tough games, though admittedly a few easy ones. West Brom is not a bad option if he can go on loan and play, though I would rather he just transfer to an Anderlecht or Feyenoord directly, rather than play on loan for a team like that. Besiktas is still what I a rooting for, but I am nervous he is going to find playing time very hard to come by. Besiktas are very good this season. I would not be surprised if he'd go on loan right away to a mid table Turkish Super Lig side, which wouldn't be terrible, I guess.... I just really can't see him getting minutes in this Besiktas team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFisk'sBiggestFan Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 hours ago, matty said: Just curious who do you think the other Turkish team is. Aside from Besiktas has any Turkish team been in the picture ever? I don’t know what other team is, but i hope it is Galatasary or Fenerbahce. Over the years it has been a three way battle between Bisiktas, Galatasary, and Fenerbahce for top spot. All three of these teams would be great for Larin at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Stryker911 said: TBH West Brom sounds like an ideal scenario that people on here have been saying for years. Go to mid-level league and develop then can go right to a Premier league side if he does well. West Brom just fired the coach, which takes this (at least temporarily) option off the table until they find a new one... Edited November 22, 2017 by BCM Moldy9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 22 hours ago, matty said: Just curious who do you think the other Turkish team is. Aside from Besiktas has any Turkish team been in the picture ever? As I understand it, that is just the agent saying "others" to keep Besiktas on its toes. Agent rumours are really important in these deals, as they feed the press and put pressure on the FO of a club to not let someone slip past them. Negredo was transfered to Besiktas for 2.5 million euros, that is over 3 million US. And it's been a bad investment so far. Kadenge and matty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jith12 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 On 21/11/2017 at 11:52 PM, Obinna said: Celtic is the safe option. Should get plenty of reps and can pad his stats. Gets to play in Europe regularly and the level of domestic competition will give him a few tough games, though admittedly a few easy ones. West Brom is not a bad option if he can go on loan and play, though I would rather he just transfer to an Anderlecht or Feyenoord directly, rather than play on loan for a team like that. Besiktas is still what I a rooting for, but I am nervous he is going to find playing time very hard to come by. Besiktas are very good this season. I would not be surprised if he'd go on loan right away to a mid table Turkish Super Lig side, which wouldn't be terrible, I guess.... I just really can't see him getting minutes in this Besiktas team. If he'll find it hard to crack the Besiktas line-up how will he make Celtic? They are saying that Celtic might have another invincible season. Unless he gets a loan to a club where he will get minutes and develop I don't think that Celtic is a very good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Jith12 said: If he'll find it hard to crack the Besiktas line-up how will he make Celtic? They are saying that Celtic might have another invincible season. Unless he gets a loan to a club where he will get minutes and develop I don't think that Celtic is a very good idea. Besiktas is a much better team than Celtic. Addona, Zem, Chad_Impact and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Celtic just got butt fucked 7-1 at PSG. A_Gagne, Obinna and Moldy9 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, jpg75 said: Celtic just got butt fucked 7-1 at PSG. With lube i hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, matty said: With lube i hope Dry. She wasn't pretty. A_Gagne and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, jpg75 said: Dry. She wasn't pretty. Psg is a suck fuck and must be stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, matty said: Psg is a suck fuck and must be stopped The Harvey Weinstein's of Europe. Obinna, Olympique_de_Marseille and A_Gagne 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, jpg75 said: The Harvey Weinstein's of Europe. Man execs and people of power are awful El Hombre, jpg75, Obinna and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 But yea weinstein seems like total shitbag monster. Anyways i think this talk is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jith12 said: If he'll find it hard to crack the Besiktas line-up how will he make Celtic? They are saying that Celtic might have another invincible season. Unless he gets a loan to a club where he will get minutes and develop I don't think that Celtic is a very good idea. A lot of matches against poor teams at Celtic. Much more parity in Turkey, so at Besiktas there'd be fewer chances to get a run out against a minnow. Celtic may also get Europa League games in the new year (more chances to play), whereas Besiktas will have at least one champions league game guaranteed, which I cannot see Larin getting into. Best case scenario he'd be like an injury time sub, but regardless we are likely talking 1 game for Besiktas in the knockout rounds. Anything more would be a massive success. It is the first time the club has made the knockouts I believe. Celtic on the otherhand may go two, three, even four games deep in the Europa league knockout round, should they make it to the tournament and pip Anderlecht to 3rd. Edited November 23, 2017 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Hmm, you got me looking at the possible teams Besiktas could play in the next round. Even though they finished group winners they'll be in tough. The best possible draw would probably be against Basel/CSKA Moscow (whoever comes out in 2nd place in group A). After that, probably Shaktar Donetsk. After that it gets really tough, and Juventus (if they make it), Bayern Munich and Real Madrid are all in play. Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I think Larin would get his shot. Cenk Tosun is turning out to be quite the striker and will probably be sold this transfer window or next, and as Unnamed Trialist said, Negredo hasn't been good. It would be up to Larin to take the shot and make the starting position his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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