Kadenge Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I would like nothing more than to see Larin have success for the CMNT. He has all the attributes to make a difference for us......however it has not happened to date. Cavallini in the Gold Cup consistently held up the ball really well and then was able to turn while still shielding the ball and thereby inducing the defender to foul him. He was strong on the ball, aggressive in pressuring defenders and midfielders in trying to win the ball back and played with a lot of "passion" that I have not seen from Larin. Cav did not have more than one scoring opportunity IIRC, but I think that will change with more playing time with the CMNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 MLS 24U24, Larin at #5 https://www.mlssoccer.com/series/24-under-24/2017/5 Blackjack15 and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I like Cavallini and I like Larin and I want to see both play together, but if we are going with one or the other I would choose Cavallini, but that does not mean Larin has not performed for the national team, it just means that Cavallini has, in my opinion, been more valuable, or put another way, the team has played better with him in the line up than Larin. I can't say how much that comes down to Cavallini and Larin versus the team just playing better for a variety of other reasons. What I do know is that Cavallini looked better in the Gold Cup alongside Hoilett, Arfield, Davies, Piette etc. than Larin, but it's a very very small sample size. At the end of the day, I am just happy we have two centre forwards that are young and have quality. One has scored regularly in MLS for years, the other is scoring in Liga MX for one of the weaker teams. Both are getting playing time, so not much to complain about. Also thankful we have a third option who scored 9 league goals for a Canadian MLS team. We have a fourth option who has scored 7 league goals for another Canadian MLS team. And we even have another option who scored 9 goals last year in the SPL. Very happy with our CF depth right now. Ruffian, kingvikingstad, rightback and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Obinna said: I like Cavallini and I like Larin and I want to see both play together, but if we are going with one or the other I would choose Cavallini, but that does not mean Larin has not performed for the national team, it just means that Cavallini has, in my opinion, been more valuable, or put another way, the team has played better with him in the line up than Larin. I can't say how much that comes down to Cavallini and Larin versus the team just playing better for a variety of other reasons. What I do know is that Cavallini looked better in the Gold Cup alongside Hoilett, Arfield, Davies, Piette etc. than Larin, but it's a very very small sample size. At the end of the day, I am just happy we have two centre forwards that are young and have quality. One has scored regularly in MLS for years, the other is scoring in Liga MX for one of the weaker teams. Both are getting playing time, so not much to complain about. Also thankful we have a third option who scored 9 league goals for a Canadian MLS team. We have a fourth option who has scored 7 league goals for another Canadian MLS team. And we even have another option who scored 9 goals last year in the SPL. Very happy with our CF depth right now. I think I am going to copy this for my Thanksgiving speech and just throw in a few more "thankful"s. Shway, MtlMario, Blackjack15 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I was reading this morning my time, and couldn't post, I got in a mental jam and couldn't do it. Because I have had three words in my head all day. Ali Gerba, wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Cannot believe all the hate Larin is getting for being in the top 5 by Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 minute ago, canta15 said: Cannot believe all the hate Larin is getting for being in the top 5 by Americans How many others on that list have over 40 career MLS goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Thompson Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Kadenge said: MLS 24U24, Larin at #5 https://www.mlssoccer.com/series/24-under-24/2017/5 Is this the highest he's ever been on this list? Compared to the previous years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badname22 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mike Thompson said: Is this the highest he's ever been on this list? Compared to the previous years he was first last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, canta15 said: Cannot believe all the hate Larin is getting for being in the top 5 by Americans 12 goals and 3 assists... who would be ahead of him? Even with an off year he is head and shoulders above most players on the list and in fact should probably be higher. He has been his clubs go to scorer for their 3 seasons in the league. I can't believe people are still thinking it's because of Kaka, that was disproved in 2015 and if anything I think kaka has benefitted from Larin more so than the other way around.. I know Larin has assisted at least 2 kaka goals this season and has scored more when he was out of the lineup. SpecialK, Obinna and Ruffian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvikingstad Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Historically, strikers for Canada no matter how good (or bad) with their clubs, have looked poor for Canada and are hard to rate fairly. As others have mentioned there are so many reasons for this, including: us being relative minnows, defensive tactics, lack of continuity in callups/starting lineup, lack of team training, lack of games played, etc etc. This isn't going to change anytime soon, so in my eyes these are the options. 1) Finally try out a strike partnership up top, likely between Cavallini and Larin. Ideally, it would be in a friendly against lower level competition where Oz can see if he can somehow rope together a 3-5-2, or a narrow 4-4-2; both of which will have some of our better players stretched a bit out of position. 2) Use a striker that will focus only on poaching goals and float around throughout the game looking for opportunities (i.e. AJH, possibly Larin) 3) Look to use a defensive or deep-lying forward who will look to link and hold up play (i.e. Cavallini, Haber, possibly Larin) 4) Look to use a pace-merchant who will get in behind (i.e. Ricketts) 5) Be patient with Larin and let him integrate with our newfound technical approach because he is still likely our best all-around striker. I think the problem Larin is going to have is that while he may be our best overall striker, he may not be the best at the specific skills necessary to be effective on a team such as the CMNT. While we are improving technically and have players that are going to get the ball to him in good positions, this may take some time before we are proficient at creating chances. Furthermore, the other formations I've suggested also likely move Hoilett out of position and cause more problems for us in other areas. As such, in the short-term I think it's much easier and will likely be more effective to play either Cavallini or AJH. It really depends on how strongly Oz feels about Larin's qualities to come good in our tactical setup. I'll say that for the first time in a long time, I do trust our manager to make the right call over the long-term. Edited September 29, 2017 by kingvikingstad Bison44 and SpecialK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 12 hours ago, canta15 said: Cannot believe all the hate Larin is getting for being in the top 5 by Americans Where is the hate? Reddit or twitter or something? I don't see anything on the mlssoccer.com article about Larin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 50 minutes ago, Kent said: Where is the hate? Reddit or twitter or something? I don't see anything on the mlssoccer.com article about Larin. reddit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 22 minutes ago, canta15 said: reddit stupid millenials nolando and zeelaw 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 Larin has officially declared his desire to move to Europe. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-city-lions/on-the-pitch/os-sp-orlando-city-cyle-larin-1026-story.html “I think I’m ready to challenge myself and play at the highest possible level I can,” Larin said. “My contract is ending this season, and I think it’s the right time. I love playing for Orlando. MLS and Orlando have given me a lot, and in the three years I’ve been here, I love playing and I love the fans, but I think to reach my goals it’s necessary to play at the highest level possible with the best players.” Larin said he hasn’t yet spoken to Kreis or the front office staff about what their vision is for him. The club has made clear many times that any move would have to be good for both the Lions and the Canadian forward. Orlando City general manager Niki Budalic told the Sentinel Wednesday there are no active negotiations involving Larin and the club has not received an offer for the striker since the close of the European transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 So what is MLS's take on needing to receive offers for a contract that has run out? In Europe, the player gets to move on a free transfer (a la Bosman ruling), but I am not sure how it works with MLS's weird rules and their proof-of-life transfer policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion26 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 56 minutes ago, shermanator said: Larin has officially declared his desire to move to Europe. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-city-lions/on-the-pitch/os-sp-orlando-city-cyle-larin-1026-story.html Well that's not surprising, but hopefully he goes to a team that will push him to be better and still give him chances to play. Would love for him to go to Germany and learn from them. Well wherever he goes I hope he succeeds and becomes a complete forward. Kadenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Let's place bets Besiktas? Everton? Leeds? Someone else? I'm taking Besiktas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I'll go with long, ugly legal battle keeps him off the field at club level until next August. Grizzly, Chad_Impact and shermanator 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I think Besiktas would be a good move for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I am thinking a second division team primed for promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, jpg75 said: I'll go with long, ugly legal battle keeps him off the field at club level until next August. Definitely seems its heading that way. Larin: "My contract is ending this season" Orlando GM Budalic: "He's under contract for two more years" http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/news/cyle-larin-its-the-right-time-to-go-to-europe/1qqjcbl4ek18d12mgxocz301gr Ruffian and jpg75 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 hours ago, jpg75 said: I'll go with long, ugly legal battle keeps him off the field at club level until next August. Could go that way easily but, aside from the possible challenge of the option situation, isn't Orlando now able to get a bigger percentage of the payoff than before for Larin? Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they only going to get like 50% (the other 50% going to MLS) before and now they'll get like 80% or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brethers8 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Everton would be interesting, seeing as they are sucking and could use some goals. Leeds, no. Mainly cause I don't like them but also because I think they're going to do an Ipswich and stay in mediocrity forever. Besiktas would be nice but think he'd too easily get lost in the shuffle there. Who knows! Germany would be a good spot for him, there or Belgium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, matty said: Could go that way easily but, aside from the possible challenge of the option situation, isn't Orlando now able to get a bigger percentage of the payoff than before for Larin? Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they only going to get like 50% (the other 50% going to MLS) before and now they'll get like 80% or something like that. 2/3 instead of 1/2. But if Besiktas steps in and says we're signing him for free and MLS says "like hell you will...". This thing ends up in CAS and when MLS loses then it's a matter of comp. because he's under 23 and MLS is butt hurt so they play hard ball and then those negotiations go to a moderator. Edited October 26, 2017 by jpg75 matty and Oranje 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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