Cyle Larin

[A_Gagne]

On 3/6/2017 at 1:52 AM, Chad_Impact said:

Just imagine a front line of Davies, Larin, and Tabla. (Assuming Davies and Tabla fulfill their potential)

... and assuming both Davies and Tabla actually turn out for the CMNT.

[lazlo_80]

10 hours ago, A_Gagne said:

... and assuming both Davies and Tabla actually turn out for the CMNT.

oh man, being cynical is the coolest!

[A_Gagne]

On 3/10/2017 at 1:58 AM, lazlo_80 said:

oh man, being cynical is the coolest!

haha

#jadedCMNTfan

What can I say

[shermanator]

Choo choo, all aboard the Larin hype train, bitches!

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/cyle-larin-importance-orlando-citys-dependence-mls-analysis-the-moment

Javier “Chicharito” is widely accepted as the best North American striker, but there’s a compelling argument to be made that it’s actually Larin, who has made no secret of his ambition play in Europe.

[lazlo_80]

Wow. Being compared to Chicharito is high praise.

Feel like the Europe thing is a "when" and not an "if" anymore. Will be interesting to see where he lands.

 

[Keegan]

13 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said:

Wow. Being compared to Chicharito is high praise.

Feel like the Europe thing is a "when" and not an "if" anymore. Will be interesting to see where he lands.

 

It's dumb frankly and coming from a nobody https://twitter.com/scottjfrench?lang=en 

Two completely different players, Chicharito is a poacher and world class talent.  If Larin can reach that level he'll be the best Canadian of all time by a mile.  

I never read this before now but Adrian Heath after he left Orlando had some really high praise http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/cyle-larin-potential-orlando-city-mls-europe-adrian-heath-premier-league

Europe is definitely coming for him but not Manchester United and call me crazy but did he not do a "call me" celebration after his first goal?

Edited March 20, 2017 by Keegan

[sose]

2 hours ago, Keegan said:

It's dumb frankly and coming from a nobody https://twitter.com/scottjfrench?lang=en 

Two completely different players, Chicharito is a poacher and world class talent.  If Larin can reach that level he'll be the best Canadian of all time by a mile.  

I never read this before now but Adrian Heath after he left Orlando had some really high praise http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/cyle-larin-potential-orlando-city-mls-europe-adrian-heath-premier-league

Europe is definitely coming for him but not Manchester United and call me crazy but did he not do a "call me" celebration after his first goal?

Maybe not Man U calling.. but possibly Everton. Lukaku is leaving soon after all... lol

[Obinna]

18 minutes ago, sose said:

Maybe not Man U calling.. but possibly Everton. Lukaku is leaving soon after all... lol

I keep dreaming up this scenario too. I think an intermediate step at a Celtic or Ajax might be required though. 

[Floortom]

4 hours ago, shermanator said:

Choo choo, all aboard the Larin hype train, bitches!

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/cyle-larin-importance-orlando-citys-dependence-mls-analysis-the-moment

 

 

 

Pretty ridiculous IMO and I'm a big Larin fan.

i would still take Altidore over Larin by quite a bit if I had to pick one for a match tomorrow. Will be interesting to see how Larin's production in Europe compares to Jozy's (who was very good in Eredevisie and not so good in EPL)

[shermanator]

2 minutes ago, Floortom said:

Pretty ridiculous IMO and I'm a big Larin fan.

i would still take Altidore over Larin by quite a bit if I had to pick one for a match tomorrow. Will be interesting to see how Larin's production in Europe compares to Jozy's (who was very good in Eredevisie and not so good in EPL)

No arguments from me. I do think Larin is going to outgrow MLS quickly, and will need to move to Europe soon (likely after this year) to continue to develop his game. Somewhere like Celtic, or a club in the Eredivisie, or the Belgian league is the right move IMO.

[sose]

7 hours ago, Floortom said:

 

Pretty ridiculous IMO and I'm a big Larin fan.

i would still take Altidore over Larin by quite a bit if I had to pick one for a match tomorrow. Will be interesting to see how Larin's production in Europe compares to Jozy's (who was very good in Eredevisie and not so good in EPL)

agree.. would take Altidore if i had to choose.

[shamrock]

I'd take Larin over Altidore easily. Yes he's further right now but we don't know Larin's ceiling yet. Plus he represents more of a transfer-value partly based on the same premise. 

[matty]

14 hours ago, shermanator said:

No arguments from me. I do think Larin is going to outgrow MLS quickly, and will need to move to Europe soon (likely after this year) to continue to develop his game. Somewhere like Celtic, or a club in the Eredivisie, or the Belgian league is the right move IMO.

I'm still hopeful he ends up with genk. Belgium seems like a good stepping stone and genk would get him into Europa regularly. I'm not a fan of a celtic move just because scotland is a weaker league than belgium (possibly weaker than mls - please let's not debate this again)

[Ruffian]

15 hours ago, Keegan said:

call me crazy but did he not do a "call me" celebration after his first goal?

I think he is a fan of Antoine Griezmann. That is his celebration.

[Alex D]

I would take a 21 year old Larin over a 21 year old Altidore. Not by much, but Larin has that super quick release that can catch a keeper off guard. 

I hope he ends up in one of Europe's triple A leagues to season himself before moving on to the top flights (if he gets there)

[Unnamed Trialist]

17 hours ago, Keegan said:

It's dumb frankly and coming from a nobody https://twitter.com/scottjfrench?lang=en 

Two completely different players, Chicharito is a poacher and world class talent.  If Larin can reach that level he'll be the best Canadian of all time by a mile.  

I never read this before now but Adrian Heath after he left Orlando had some really high praise http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/cyle-larin-potential-orlando-city-mls-europe-adrian-heath-premier-league

Europe is definitely coming for him but not Manchester United and call me crazy but did he not do a "call me" celebration after his first goal?

It's also dumb because Chicharito is not even the best Mexican striker right now, never mind Concacaf.

As I see Larin, right now, he is not at the level needed for La Liga. And since young strikers need to play, I don't think he should go to a top league yet. A top three team in Holland, Belgium, a mid-table French side, something like that. In Greece (though very defensive) or Turkey. He needs to develop in the competitive environment, but not be in a situation where he has to produce from day one, because even though he has almost always produced, it would likely be different in a top league.

[matty]

33 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

It's also dumb because Chicharito is not even the best Mexican striker right now, never mind Concacaf.

As I see Larin, right now, he is not at the level needed for La Liga. And since young strikers need to play, I don't think he should go to a top league yet. A top three team in Holland, Belgium, a mid-table French side, something like that. In Greece (though very defensive) or Turkey. He needs to develop in the competitive environment, but not be in a situation where he has to produce from day one, because even though he has almost always produced, it would likely be different in a top league.

If Iraklis isn't religated perhaps that Toronto owner they have should pick him up for a year and he could hang with Zambazis  

[Guest]

8 hours ago, shamrock said:

I'd take Larin over Altidore easily. Yes he's further right now but we don't know Larin's ceiling yet. Plus he represents more of a transfer-value partly based on the same premise. 

He was talking about if they had to pick them for a game tomorrow

[Keegan]

28 minutes ago, canta15 said:

He was talking about if they had to pick them for a game tomorrow

Gotta be Larin all day and I'd suspect that most Americans would say the same.  Larin is just better all around, I'm not sure there is an area that Jozy is better.. maybe strength but Larin isn't exactly weak.  

[Obinna]

Altidore's hold up play is better. Altidore's dribbling is arguably better. Larin's finishing is arguably better. Larin's shooting is better. Altidore's set pieces are better (presumably, as I have never seen Larin take a set piece). Larin is arguably better in the air.

I don't know, it's close but I think Altidore is a more complete player, for now anyways.

[Stryker911]

With Kaka being hurt, I wonder if he will take a few pks and add to his goal total. I am sure that a 20 goal scorer is more appealing than a 15 goal scorer to a team looking to sign him.

[Unnamed Trialist]

1 hour ago, Obinna said:

Altidore's hold up play is better. Altidore's dribbling is arguably better. Larin's finishing is arguably better. Larin's shooting is better. Altidore's set pieces are better (presumably, as I have never seen Larin take a set piece). Larin is arguably better in the air.

I don't know, it's close but I think Altidore is a more complete player, for now anyways.

Altidore is able to break down a defense coming from behind the forward position. He is also better attacking from a wing. I think he dribbles better and as a playmaker he is better as well. So I pretty well agree. 

Cyle is a finisher, which is a hard thing to be in any sport. Not everyone can do it, so if he can keep doing it as he rises in in competitive level, he'll become very valuable. If he does not improve, he'll end up like Olivier Occéan or so.

IMO he needs to improve his work rate, and movement off the ball (just go to a game and watch Luis Suarez the whole match, there you'll have it, the way he works his shoulder into a defender, lays off, adjusts sides, turns to set himself in one spot, then shifts 15 metres and repeats in another spot, as well as the runs he makes into space, all the off the ball work including bumping into defenders, is exemplary; then he has great balance when receiving the ball and can release quickly, things I think Cyle also has. Another player I think you can watch is Ibra, I love him off the ball, but he is different physically, with his length and flexibility).

[BrennanFan]

17 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Altidore is able to break down a defense coming from behind the forward position. He is also better attacking from a wing. I think he dribbles better and as a playmaker he is better as well. So I pretty well agree. 

Cyle is a finisher, which is a hard thing to be in any sport. Not everyone can do it, so if he can keep doing it as he rises in in competitive level, he'll become very valuable. If he does not improve, he'll end up like Olivier Occéan or so.

IMO he needs to improve his work rate, and movement off the ball (just go to a game and watch Luis Suarez the whole match, there you'll have it, the way he works his shoulder into a defender, lays off, adjusts sides, turns to set himself in one spot, then shifts 15 metres and repeats in another spot, as well as the runs he makes into space, all the off the ball work including bumping into defenders, is exemplary; then he has great balance when receiving the ball and can release quickly, things I think Cyle also has. Another player I think you can watch is Ibra, I love him off the ball, but he is different physically, with his length and flexibility).

The longer he stays in MLS, the less likely it becomes that he will reach the next level.  As is, he is not a difference maker at the international level, at least not for Canada given how little service we provide our strikers and given that we we only create 1 or 2 chances in a typical qualifying game against decent opposition.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Keegan said:

Gotta be Larin all day and I'd suspect that most Americans would say the same.  Larin is just better all around, I'm not sure there is an area that Jozy is better.. maybe strength but Larin isn't exactly weak.  

I'm not saying picking Larin is wrong. Just his explanation toawrds picking Larin was more for the long term

[Obinna]

44 minutes ago, BrennanFan said:

The longer he stays in MLS, the less likely it becomes that he will reach the next level.  As is, he is not a difference maker at the international level, at least not for Canada given how little service we provide our strikers and given that we we only create 1 or 2 chances in a typical qualifying game against decent opposition.

I have the opposite view. I think he needs to continue rounding out his game here before he moves on. He does (and will) have to move on sooner or later. At minimum, I want him to complete this season in MLS, perhaps moving in the summer window of 2018.

Orlando might get a premium fee for him then too, as many clubs seem to buy players at World Cup time. Even though he won't be in it, his price in the market would be higher I imagine.