Unnamed Trialist Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Yohan said: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2014/01/17/camilo-saga-over-vancouver-whitecaps-transfer-striker-liga-mxs-queretaro-record-sum Caps got a transfer fee After the fact The point is that Caps, unlike Orlando, did not seem to value having the leading striker in the league. So they did not seem to consider an offer to better his salary. Orlando, I would imagine, is doing this right now. Caps were incredibly greedy and stupid, not surprising considering Lenarduzzi being there, while I think that Orlando is doing the right thing: offer him triple, so that he can refuse and still say Orlando was a grand ol' time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 More rumours. Apparently Borussia Mönchengladbach are interested in Larin. http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/m-gladbach-funf-abgange-gehandelt-acht-neuzugange_77466 Alex D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ruffian said: More rumours. Apparently Borussia Mönchengladbach are interested in Larin. http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/m-gladbach-funf-abgange-gehandelt-acht-neuzugange_77466 I'd be down with "a German team" move instead of somewhere in the Premier League. Edited May 19, 2017 by PopePouri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Ruffian said: More rumours. Apparently Borussia Mönchengladbach are interested in Larin. http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/m-gladbach-funf-abgange-gehandelt-acht-neuzugange_77466 Pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssseeeeeeee! hamiltonfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 That would be a pretty amazing transfer, assuming he would get serious playing time. Once you remove Bayern as an outlier, Bundesliga isn't quite as strong (IMO) as the other 3 big leagues, but the level of play is still extremely high compared to the 2nd tier of European footy. If Larin could regularly face that level of seasoned defenders, he could only get better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fussball_eh Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, dyslexic nam said: That would be a pretty amazing transfer, assuming he would get serious playing time. Once you remove Bayern as an outlier, Bundesliga isn't quite as strong (IMO) as the other 3 big leagues, but the level of play is still extremely high compared to the 2nd tier of European footy. If Larin could regularly face that level of seasoned defenders, he could only get better and better. Actually the Bundesliga is 2nd in Europe (England is 3rd): http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fussball_eh Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, dsqpr said: Does that take into account the strength of the entire league or just the top few teams that play in European competitions? Touche Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 England and Spain are obviously the top 2 leagues. Germany and Italy are similar strength imo and you can rank 3 and 4 in either order. A move to a solid Bundesliga club would be a good step for Cyle. Lofty and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Germany is probably my number 2 landing spot for him after a European competitive Belgium team (which seems highly unlikely to happen now after Genk backed away). I'd say of the big 4 the German league might be the most consistent if that makes sense and provide more room to grow and play. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) People are saying the BPL are better than bundesliga....smh Its not just Bayern, many German teams have went far into the Champions League in recent years including Schalke and Wolfsburg. Can't believe people slept on Borussia Dortmund too Edited May 19, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, canta15 said: People are saying the BPL are better than bundesliga....smh Its not just Bayern, many German teams have went far into the Champions League in recent years including Schalke and Wolfsburg. Can't believe people slept on Borussia Dortmund too This is a good point. I do suspect the EPL is overrated, or at least they play a style that doesn't lend itself to success against continental Europe. How else do you explain the lack of Champions League success in recent years? The strange thing is, on paper it is definitely a "top 2" league. Or perhaps the English-based player is simply overrated, making teams look better on paper than they are? Hard to tell anymore, really. Edited May 20, 2017 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Out of the to 4 leagues, I think his game would benefit most in Germany. It may force him to improve technically without being overwhelmed, or at least that's my hope. Italy would be an interesting move, but it is hard to score in that league, which may be good or bad depending on how you view it. The top scorers in that league always seem to have lower totals than elsewhere. Too bad we haven't seen any French links. I think that would be an interesting level for him. Signing for a OM or Lyon could provide a high level with enough chances that he's not completely glued to the bench, or so I dream. Realistically though, i'd feel better with a Rennes or Saint Etienne, where he'd really get a solid chance. I'm confident about that. Edited May 20, 2017 by Obinna Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Obinna said: This is a good point. I do suspect the EPL is overrated, or at least they play a style that doesn't lend itself to success against continental Europe. How else do you explain the lack of Champions League success in recent years? The strange thing is, on paper it is definitely a "top 2" league. Or perhaps the English-based player is simply overrated, making teams look better on paper than they are? Hard to tell anymore, really. I think it's hard to knock the EPL as overrated. It's likely the strongest league top to bottom in the world but lacks a true top 6 team in Europe atm. Side note: Isn't it funny how English coaches never win shit? Edited May 20, 2017 by matty Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFisk'sBiggestFan Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 The EPL is a little overrated. Although i agree that it is the best league in terms of depth, the top teams are not nearly that of La Liga. Lets face it, Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, and Barcalona have have been the top teams in recent years. The only two other teams rivalling them in that time being Juventus and Bayern. jpg75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, BenFisk'sBiggestFan said: The EPL is a little overrated. Although i agree that it is the best league in terms of depth, the top teams are not nearly that of La Liga. Lets face it, Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, and Barcalona have have been the top teams in recent years. The only two other teams rivalling them in that time being Juventus and Bayern. Yea you could also add Sevilla to that if you want. La Liga owns the European cups outright. 5 CL and 6 Europa titles in the last decade including the last 3 of both. To be fair to EPL, only La Liga have outdone them in CL finals appearances since 2007 and Man U will likely win Europa this year, for what it's worth. jpg75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 EPL has the best foreigners of any league. The problem with EPL is the teams play an English style which does not highlight the talents of the top players (and makes the games hard to watch despite the talent on the pitch) and the domestic players who fill up the rest of the roster are below the standard of the other top 4 leagues. It is why a German team with good but not super star foreign players playing with good German players is often better as a team than EPL teams with top notch foreigners surrounded by lesser skilled English players. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Can we all agree England produces lacklustre talent and shitty managers? Alex D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 8 hours ago, matty said: Yea you could also add Sevilla to that if you want. La Liga owns the European cups outright. 5 CL and 6 Europa titles in the last decade including the last 3 of both. To be fair to EPL, only La Liga have outdone them in CL finals appearances since 2007 and Man U will likely win Europa this year, for what it's worth. No, you could not add Sevilla to that list. They win the Europa League but are shite in the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 On 2017-5-19 at 9:25 PM, Obinna said: Out of the to 4 leagues, I think his game would benefit most in Germany. It may force him to improve technically without being overwhelmed, or at least that's my hope. Italy would be an interesting move, but it is hard to score in that league, which may be good or bad depending on how you view it. The top scorers in that league always seem to have lower totals than elsewhere. Too bad we haven't seen any French links. I think that would be an interesting level for him. Signing for a OM or Lyon could provide a high level with enough chances that he's not completely glued to the bench, or so I dream. Realistically though, i'd feel better with a Rennes or Saint Etienne, where he'd really get a solid chance. I'm confident about that. I pretty well agree with this too. Germany would be amazing, France too. Italy too hard to score in so hard to be happy in as a striker, it is so stingy for strikers. He's not yet good enough for Spain and probably not England either. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Narcotic Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Best article yet on his contract/transfer situation: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/cyle-larin-transfer-value-mls-orlando-city-analysis-complicated tl;dr: Most likely outcome is a MLS dp deal starting at $1.5M/yr. with a buyout clause of around $6-7M. Only point the article missed is the likely un-enforceability of the MLS team-option year clauses. Larin's agent could easily threaten to have Larin just leave on a free after this season. Lofty and lazlo_80 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Dub Narcotic said: Best article yet on his contract/transfer situation: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/cyle-larin-transfer-value-mls-orlando-city-analysis-complicated tl;dr: Most likely outcome is a MLS dp deal starting at $1.5M/yr. with a buyout clause of around $6-7M. Only point the article missed is the likely un-enforceability of the MLS team-option year clauses. Larin's agent could easily threaten to have Larin just leave on a free after this season. Or just sell him this summer. Kid himself holds the cards IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Narcotic Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Given the desultory transfer fees mentioned in the article I think Orlando's best move is to pay Larin a good chunk of money. $2M and a sell-on percentage versus keeping one of the league's best players in a good market that is still establishing itself? Of course, the Sigma guy representing Latin would probably love to see a transfer, as he would get a cut of both the fee and the higher European salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) On May 20, 2017 at 10:08 AM, canta15 said: No, you could not add Sevilla to that list. They win the Europa League but are shite in the Champions League Give them some time. They have two appearances so far with the team improving each season, third in group stage to round of 16. Also, next season they have qualified by being top four in the league. Edited May 22, 2017 by Macksam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I just don't think Larin is good enough to command the salary that would make sense for him to end up in the top Euro leagues. Orlando should hold on to him - maybe in another 3-4 years he will be ready for that jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, Floortom said: I just don't think Larin is good enough to command the salary that would make sense for him to end up in the top Euro leagues. Orlando should hold on to him - maybe in another 3-4 years he will be ready for that jump. I don't think teams would want a 26 years old who played his whole career in Mls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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