Patrice Bernier - more to give to club and country?

[Ansem]

Lol! I couldn't resist!!!

[matty]

Hahaha yea fuck money will cause things

[DannyFromToronto23]

being a TFC fan I respect Bernier he is a beast in the midfield in the conference finallast year  he was amazing 

[farrelld]

Interview with Zambrano from Montreal's 98.5 channel (starts around 23 minutes in. English and French) http://www.985sports.ca/lecteur/audio/octavio-zambrano-est-notre-invite-il-est-confiant-361724.mp3

Zambrano says he has already invited Bernier to the Gold Cup. Also mentions how he wants him to be part of the set up when Bernier is done playing.

 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

On 12/1/2016 at 0:17 PM, shermanator said:

For club, absolutely. For country, I think that ship sailed long ago.

 

On 12/1/2016 at 5:43 PM, Jahinho Guerro said:

As sherm said above, I like Bernier for MTL, but for Canada...helllll no 

 

On 1/16/2017 at 3:06 PM, shermanator said:

In my opinion, no, he shouldn't be around the national team setup for Gold Cup, regardless of how well he's playing for the Impact.

 

9 minutes ago, farrelld said:

Zambrano says he has already invited Bernier to the Gold Cup.

[Vince193]

If anything since there is a chance Atiba doesn't get called for the GC, Bernier would fill that experience hole. He's also in the form of his life. Him with WJ protecting getting balls to Larin, AJH, Hoilett and Aird would be very good.

[Levi Oakey]

I never rated Bernier. But I think it's an importent move both culturally and tactically to bring him in. He has bee. On fire for the Impact and really has proven how wrong I and the national team was in our assessment of him.

[shermanator]

I can't argue with Bernier's form at the moment. Still don't think he should be called but I'll reserve judgement further on that until I see the final squad.

[Big_M]

Calling a player who will retire from playing three months later and who hasn't been with the national team in a couple of years is very questionnable. Johnson, Arfield, Hoilett have a lot of quality and Piette and Aird have been coming up nicely so rather let them build chemistry.

[matty]

2 minutes ago, Big_M said:

Calling a player who will retire from playing three months later and who hasn't been with the national team in a couple of years is very questionnable. Johnson, Arfield, Hoilett have a lot of quality and Piette and Aird have been coming up nicely so rather let them build chemistry.

Sometimes a short term solution is something you need to embrace. OZ is jumping almost head first into the Gold Cup, a major tournament, and knows reaching the knockout round is more important now than ever, not just for Canada but for his credibility. Calling up MLS' joint-number one assist getter is a short term solution that should be embraced.

[Big_M]

Looks like Dzemaili could be coming in May. Can play at AM or DM and has 8 goals this year. Will be interesting to see Bernier's place with his presence.

[1996]

2 hours ago, Levi Oakey said:

I never rated Bernier. But I think it's an importent move both culturally and tactically to bring him in. He has bee. On fire for the Impact and really has proven how wrong I and the national team was in our assessment of him.

Yup I still shake my head to think of all the times he was left off the national team in crucial qualifying games where I think he could have helped. But of course we are a nation of so much talent that we have always had the luxury of keeping a player of this caliber off out national team!

[MtlMario]

 Him being called up might help convince Tabla to accept also? I wouldn't mind seeing Bernier at the GC either way.

[Shway]

I may have been proved wrong, but the speed of the international game may be past Bernier, and at 36 he's know Blanco...but we'll see. I think he's there just for the veterans presence which is only relevant to MTL players as he hasn't played with any players in the programs. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Jahinho Guerro said:

I may have been proved wrong, but the speed of the international game may be past Bernier, and at 36 he's know Blanco...but we'll see. I think he's there just for the veterans presence which is only relevant to MTL players as he hasn't played with any players in the programs. 

Mls Teams> French Guiana, Central American B teams

[Shway]

1 hour ago, canta15 said:

Mls Teams> French Guiana, Central American B teams

Need I remind you we lost to Martinique in 2013? And curious where was it stated that the GC17 will feature Central American B teams?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Jahinho Guerro said:

Need I remind you we lost to Martinique in 2013? And curious where was it stated that the GC17 will feature Central American B teams?

 

What does us losing to Martinique have to do with Bernier not being able to play on the international level.He wasn't in that game.

Also, I was just going with a lot of people on the forum saying that the Central American teams in the hex won't call up their full squad because of WCQs. Although, a majority of MLS teams are still better than a majority of the Gold Cup teams. If Bernier can excel in MLS, he certainly can keep up at this Gold Cup

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

1 hour ago, canta15 said:

Also, I was just going with a lot of people on the forum saying that the Central American teams in the hex won't call up their full squad because of WCQs.

They will be "A" teams. Mexico will field their "B" team because of the Confederations Cup.

[Shway]

2 minutes ago, canta15 said:

What does us losing to Martinique have to do with Bernier not being able to play on the international level.He wasn't in that game.

Also, I was just going with a lot of people on the forum saying that the Central American teams in the hex won't call up their full squad because of WCQs. Although, a majority of MLS teams are still better than a majority of the Gold Cup teams. If Bernier can excel in MLS, he certainly can keep up at this Gold Cup

Losing to Martinique was making reference to what you said below...

Mls Teams> French Guiana, Central American B teams

So i'm saying if you truly believe that, then look at 2013 when we lost to a team that was full of local players playing in Martinique. Ultimately I believe you are underestimating these teams, and neglecting my main point of the speed of the international game.

[Guest]

Santos beat Barca in one game back in a Club World Cup. Do you assume Santos is also better than Barca?

@Jahinho Guerro

[Shway]

5 minutes ago, canta15 said:

Santos beat Barca in one game back in a Club World Cup. Do you assume Santos is also better than Barca?

@Jahinho Guerro

You mean the game Barca beat Santos 4-0???Or was this in video game you played? 

Nevertheless the comparison is still way off regardless if it happened or not. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Jahinho Guerro said:

You mean the game Barca beat Santos 4-0???Or was this in video game you played? 

Nevertheless the comparison is still way off regardless if it happened or not. 

 

My bad it was Corinthians that beat Chelsea. My point is just because a team has 1 uncharacteristic game it doesn't make them good. You stating that Bernier will not be able to perform against a minnow like French Guiana just because Martinique beat Canada 4 years ago is ridiculous. 

[Blackdude]

1 hour ago, canta15 said:

My bad it was Corinthians that beat Chelsea. My point is just because a team has 1 uncharacteristic game it doesn't make them good. You stating that Bernier will not be able to perform against a minnow like French Guiana just because Martinique beat Canada 4 years ago is ridiculous. 

Here's the thing. It wasn't an uncharacteristic game. we got outplayed by them. We only baeten Guadeloupe in 2011 but got a soft penalty call. We lost to Martinique 10 years ago, where Bernier started. I just think that you're underestimating a lot the talent of those teams because they'll have players who've played in Ligue 1. Florent Malouda will be eligible to play for them also. I don't know if he'll accept the call, but he was really interested to play in the playoff vs Honduras 2 years ago but wasn't eligible then, but now he will be. I just don't think we can't underestimate them like you are doing. 

[Shway]

2 minutes ago, Blackdude said:

Here's the thing. It wasn't an uncharacteristic game. we got outplayed by them. We only baeten Guadeloupe in 2011 but got a soft penalty call. We lost to Martinique 10 years ago, where Bernier started. I just think that you're underestimating a lot the talent of those teams because they'll have players who've played in Ligue 1. Florent Malouda will be eligible to play for them also. I don't know if he'll accept the call, but he was really interested to play in the playoff vs Honduras 2 years ago but wasn't eligible then, but now he will be. I just don't think we can't underestimate them like you are doing. 

Agreed!

....But wait, how is Florent 80capsforFrance Malouda eligible to play?

[Blackdude]

1 hour ago, Jahinho Guerro said:

Agreed!

....But wait, how is Florent 80capsforFrance Malouda eligible to play?

Unless the rules have changed, you need to wait 5 years after your last France match to be eligible for them. That's how Fredéric Piquionne and Jocelyn Angloma were eligible to play for Martinique and Guadeloupe respectively.