Players you expect to see in the CPL

[Ansem]

 

 

[Keegan]

2 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Sometimes part-time professional players have good regular jobs that they are reluctant to leave for something as precarious and fleeting as a lower division pro soccer career.

That doesn’t seem to be the case here as he recently played in Congo as well I should have mentioned. 

[Ansem]

 

 

Edited December 7, 2018 by Ansem

[Ansem]

 

 

[KW519]

Born in Burlington...does he count as Canadian??

[Chris 1976]

Must be a Canadian citizen if born in Burlington ?

york 9 don’t seem to towing the media line with signings being leaked out 

 

 

 

[tyler453]

1 hour ago, KW519 said:

Born in Burlington...does he count as Canadian??

Yeah, that's an interesting question. His dad is Kittian but he was born and grew up here. Not sure if him representing SKN would count him as an international. 

Edited December 7, 2018 by tyler453

[deschamp86]

It depends on if CPL bases domestic status on Canadian citizenship, or eligibility for CMNT

[dyslexic nam]

4 minutes ago, deschamp86 said:

It depends on if CPL bases domestic status on Canadian citizenship, or eligibility for CMNT

Personally, I would like to see it based on CMNT eligibility.

[Zem]

4 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

Personally, I would like to see it based on CMNT eligibility.

What do you think that would accomplish, exactly?

[dyslexic nam]

Just now, Zem said:

What do you think that would accomplish, exactly?

That we aren't giving preferential spots intended to develop Canadians to people who are not eligible to represent us.  We are talking about the spots specifically designated for Canadians - why would we use them (as opposed to international slots) for someone actively representing another country?

[Zem]

1 minute ago, dyslexic nam said:

That we aren't giving preferential spots intended to develop Canadians to people who are not eligible to represent us.  We are talking about the spots specifically designated for Canadians - why would we use them (as opposed to international slots) for someone actively representing another country?

Because the vast majority of domestic players in the CPL will never get a shot at playing for the NT anyway, so whether they can represnt Canada or not is irrelevant. Locking out Canadians who chose to represent another country just makes the league strictly worse for no reason.

Also, dual nationals who play for other nations either play in bigger leagues or have no chance of making the NT anyway, so trying to "punish" them makes no sense.

[deschamp86]

2 minutes ago, Zem said:

Because the vast majority of domestic players in the CPL will never get a shot at playing for the NT anyway, so whether they can represnt Canada or not is irrelevant. Locking out Canadians who chose to represent another country just makes the league strictly worse for no reason.

Also, dual nationals who play for other nations either play in bigger leagues or have no chance of making the NT anyway, so trying to "punish" them makes no sense.

I wanted it based on CMNT eligibility but you bring up some good points. If you have Canadian citizenship you should count as domestic (unless you've represented a country that is ranked higher than Canada, then you count as foreign  )

[dyslexic nam]

It isn't about "punishing" them.  It is about reserving special spots for players that are in our system.  This is largely a developmental league.  These spots could go to young Canadians to help them get better.  If someone who represents SKN wants to play in the league, they are welcome to via an international  slot  - I just see no reason why we would award them special or preferential status.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Think in legal terms any citizen or permanent resident of Canada would have to be treated equally on access to employment regardless of which national team they play for. You could only be using an international slot if you need a work visa basically.

[Rocket Robin]

Successful Halifax trialists the Rahman brothers.....

https://www.bramptonguardian.com/community-story/7563236-brampton-s-rahman-brothers-find-a-home-playing-pro-soccer-in-Slovakia/

Will the league play them up as Pakistani internationals avoiding mention of their years at L1O team Pro-Stars?   

[C2SKI]

42 minutes ago, Rocket Robin said:

Will the league play them up as Pakistani internationals avoiding mention of their years at L1O team Pro-Stars?

Why the derision? Every report I've seen about Adjei discusses his time in L1O.

[PhillyJawn-guy]

I say don't pick up any MLS rejects unless they're Canadian, which in that case spend extra effort developing and reviving their careers so they can be sold again.

[RS]

6 hours ago, C2SKI said:

Why the derision? Every report I've seen about Adjei discusses his time in L1O.

Yes, it's mentioned in here: https://york9fc.canpl.ca/video/york9-fc-signs-swedish-striker-simon-adjei-from-assyriska-ik

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

{oops posted in the wrong thread}

Edited December 8, 2018 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[Kent]

On 12/7/2018 at 3:21 PM, Zem said:

Because the vast majority of domestic players in the CPL will never get a shot at playing for the NT anyway, so whether they can represnt Canada or not is irrelevant. Locking out Canadians who chose to represent another country just makes the league strictly worse for no reason.

Also, dual nationals who play for other nations either play in bigger leagues or have no chance of making the NT anyway, so trying to "punish" them makes no sense.

It is for a reason. It’s to strengthen our national team pool. If the logic that I put in bold was applied then there wouldn’t be any domestic player rules at all.

[Ansem]

 

[Ams1984]

Any updates on the Gasparotto thing? 

[Keegan]

On 12/7/2018 at 3:41 PM, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Think in legal terms any citizen or permanent resident of Canada would have to be treated equally on access to employment regardless of which national team they play for. You could only be using an international slot if you need a work visa basically.

The CPL can discriminate based on your national team the same way any employer could discriminate based on what school you went to.  With this logic Canadian players who don't fit in as a HGP on MLS rosters could make a claim that they're being discriminated against because they didn't come through that same system.

I assume you're referring to the Canadian Human Rights Act or a provincial anti-discrimination act, but at the end of the day you're not being discriminated against in a way that infringes a right.  It's like if an employer said we're only going to have 5 non-University of Toronto graduates on staff at one time... they can do that.  

Here is what the Ontario Human Rights Code has to say:

"5 (1) Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to employment without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, record of offences, marital status, family status or disability.  R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 5 (1); 1999, c. 6, s. 28 (5); 2001, c. 32, s. 27 (1); 2005, c. 5, s. 32 (5); 2012, c. 7, s. 4 (1)."

National team eligibility isn't listed there and you can't make a claim that it's because of ancestry or citizenship when clearly we're going to have a ton of players with different citizenships and backgrounds still eligible for Canada playing in the league.  

Edited December 10, 2018 by Keegan

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

It's easy to state things adamantly in support of your emotionally preferred outcome when you are not the party involved that could face litigation over it. The issue here is that you would be treating Canadian citizens and permanent residents as if they were foreigners on a temporary work visa for doing something that they had every legal right to do given Canada unlike a lot of countries allows dual nationality. I would not be confident that would withstand a challenge where discrimination is concerned without getting expert legal advise on the matter.

Also worth bearing in mind that the CSA has actively encouraged players like Scott Arfield and David Wotherspoon who had never previously lived in Canada and had already played for the national teams of another country to do the same where the CMNT is concerned in recent years. Players are being gained as well as lost through these rules and the CSA definitely did not take a principled stand on the matter (Marc Bircham cough splutter) when FIFA relaxed its eligibility rules.