SpecialK Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 46 minutes ago, Blackdude said: Canada-Haiti in November in Montreal. CSA could make money and play in a hostile environment. That could work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 27 minutes ago, SpecialK said: That could work It was a joke you do know that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 5 hours ago, matty said: So csa should keep up the good work it's doing with these friendlies? I still can't figure out why the CSA can't schedule two friendlies. Until then I'll commend the CSA, but even Jamaica plays twice on the available dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jahinho Guerro said: I still can't figure out why the CSA can't schedule two friendlies. Until then I'll commend the CSA, but even Jamaica plays twice on the available dates. Jamaica played T&T with local players outside of the international window. Easy to do for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Jahinho Guerro said: I still can't figure out why the CSA can't schedule two friendlies. Until then I'll commend the CSA, but even Jamaica plays twice on the available dates. Playing two friendlies in a single window is not a strictly good thing. Playing two matches in a window takes away a huge amount of training time, since besides the extra gameday itself and possible additional travel time they wouldn't be able to run full training sessions between matches due to fatigue. Given that OZ is just getting started with trying to apply his system and philosophy to the team, letting the guys have a good series of training sessions and then getting one match to implement what they've learned would be a lot more valuable at the moment than just jamming in two matches. Edited September 15, 2017 by Zem Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Blackdude said: Canada-Haiti in November in Montreal. CSA could make money and play in a hostile environment. WE WERE PROMISED ENGLAND! YOU LIED TO US ROLLINS! YOU LIED TO US! *looks at emoji selections. sees there is no bawling emoji. thinks mad emoji doesn't work. uses meme unrelated to the whole situation* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zem said: Playing two friendlies in a single window is not a strictly good thing. Playing two matches in a window takes away a huge amount of training time, since besides the extra gameday itself and possible additional travel time they wouldn't be able to run full training sessions between matches due to fatigue. Given that OZ is just getting started with trying to apply his system and philosophy to the team, letting the guys have a good series of training sessions and then getting one match to implement what they've learned would be a lot more valuable at the moment than just jamming in two matches. Ok fair point. However, since OZ has took over, he has looked at/played over 40 players (including u23). Can you say he knows his best IV, or where his philosophy can be shown in a game based on a 5 day training camp? It could be said that having 2 games would allow OZ to go over what needs to be fixed in game 1, and stress his philosophy or make personnel changes to fit his philosophy. Players learn by "being thrown into the fire" rather than constant training and playing one game, then potentially seeing the same faces 1-3 months later. Also to counter your travel time debate. I think that's bullshit because .....what happens when WCQ comes around and we have a game in Toronto on Thursday, then a game in San Pedro on a Tuesday? Travel is part and parcel of CONCACAF - there will never be a way around it. All in all, I want more games, the fans want more games, our players need more games, our nation needs more games to better our position to the fifa world. I don't care if we play Guatamela, Finland, Nicaragua, Bolivia or Cape Verde. ...we need to maximize the opportunity for games. Edited September 15, 2017 by Jahinho Guerro Club Linesman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Jahinho Guerro said: I still can't figure out why the CSA can't schedule two friendlies. Until then I'll commend the CSA, but even Jamaica plays twice on the available dates. If you play, you can't train, and it is more important for us to train than to play. We need to bring a new set of players into Octavio's way of seeing things, and we need team identity. The real important thing is to perform when it matters, not when it doesn't. If we do that we don't have to be bending over picking up crumbs and complaining about meagre friendly results giving us so few points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: If you play, you can't train, and it is more important for us to train than to play. We need to bring a new set of players into Octavio's way of seeing things, and we need team identity. The real important thing is to perform when it matters, not when it doesn't. If we do that we don't have to be bending over picking up crumbs and complaining about meagre friendly results giving us so few points. Again this whole training argument, to me... is more relevant to youth in attempting to change a culture/ mentalit/ style of play. That happens with consistent training/teaching. However majority of our players are seasoned professionals who train everyday, who have had mutpile coaches that executed different coaching styles and philosophies throughout there career. What Octavio has said he wanted to bring to the national team is changing the mentality to a winning one. Having the guys believing they can go to Honduras, Costa Rica, or Mexico and win. Now can you say practice, or training will breed that? I strongly say no. It's all about results, results, results. Consistenly winning changes a mentality and expectations. Also we complain about meagre friendlies when we play well below mediocre teams and get mediocre results. However if those change to dominant 4-0, 5-0 wins....how can you argue that OZ's philosophy is not being played out when we have Floro's results to compare too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 18 hours ago, jtpc said: I was expecting our friendly win against JAM to get us a lot more than 16 points since they were ranked 54th at the time, but I guess it's because friendlies are only have a multiplying factor of 1 instead of GC matches which are multiplied by 3. The multiplication factor is only part of the reason. Don't forget that the rankings are based on a sliding 4-year window. The gain of 16 points is a net gain: we won 16 more points in the Jamaica game than we gained (on average) in the game or games that dropped out of the calculation from Sept 2013. It's never only about your current opponent but also about who you played, and in what context, 4 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 hour ago, shorty said: The multiplication factor is only part of the reason. Don't forget that the rankings are based on a sliding 4-year window. The gain of 16 points is a net gain: we won 16 more points in the Jamaica game than we gained (on average) in the game or games that dropped out of the calculation from Sept 2013. It's never only about your current opponent but also about who you played, and in what context, 4 years ago. And 3 years ago, and 2 years ago, and 1 year ago. Because the results are given less value as each year passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 17 hours ago, SpecialK said: It would be great if we could get into the top 70-60 after winter if possible. I think for anybody who didn't realize it before, this months rankings illustrates just how unlikely it is for us to jump up that far by playing friendlies. Blackdude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jahinho Guerro said: Again this whole training argument, to me... is more relevant to youth in attempting to change a culture/ mentalit/ style of play. That happens with consistent training/teaching. However majority of our players are seasoned professionals who train everyday, who have had mutpile coaches that executed different coaching styles and philosophies throughout there career. What Octavio has said he wanted to bring to the national team is changing the mentality to a winning one. Having the guys believing they can go to Honduras, Costa Rica, or Mexico and win. Now can you say practice, or training will breed that? I strongly say no. It's all about results, results, results. Consistenly winning changes a mentality and expectations. Also we complain about meagre friendlies when we play well below mediocre teams and get mediocre results. However if those change to dominant 4-0, 5-0 wins....how can you argue that OZ's philosophy is not being played out when we have Floro's results to compare too. You think we changed our way of defending free kicks under Floro, way back, to advancing forward, by pure magic. You also think our possession came up and our mids participated in the attacking play more actively by a stroke of an enchanted wand. We play out from the back, but that too happened because some golden dust was scattered in our locker room before a game and our players came alive. How we attack with free kicks, positioning of outside backs not used to playing the position, how other attackers are supposed to connect with the target, all of this has to happen because Octavio sticks a dried newt and few chicken feet into a pestle and mortar made of black granite from Ecuador and puts the mix into the player's morning yoghurt. Game day you cannot train, you can do a light run around early if you want, but most teams just take a walk. Day before you cannot have your hardest session, it has to be light, and usually tactical. Day after very often the starters train light and you assess knocks and injuries, while those on the bench the previous day train harder. On top of that, your key starters, the 5-7 you need to get the results, play twice and are more exposed to injury, and often go back to their clubs unable to play the following weekend. Two games means six days like that, basically forcing you, in a FIFA call-up period, into arriving a Monday, training hard Tuesday and Wednesday, lighter Thurs, play Friday, half the team Saturday, full train Sunday, previous to game day Monday, game Tuesday, go home Wednesday after assessing physical condition of players. Three solid training days and two games. If you play one game, the Tuesday, you train hard as a full group working on the "magical" stuff five straight days in a row, solid, uninterrupted. All playing twice does is give 3-4 bench sitters or new callups more playing time, to make them happy, and then maybe add to FIFA points, which is dubious as two games in 4 days actually lowers your chance of results. It also appeases the impatient rationale of some fans. So I am glad that most of our coaches with pedigree have rejected the formula, they know what they are doing. Edited September 15, 2017 by Unnamed Trialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: You think we changed our way of defending free kicks under Floro, way back, to advancing forward I'm not trying to pick apart your post, but this got me thinking. Does anybody have the stats on set piece goals against in the Floro era vs OZ era to date? I know a lot of people were really nervous about how we defended deep on free kicks under Floro, but I don't think we gave up many goals like that, if any. With OZ if I remember correctly we've given up some corner kick goals already, but I'm not sure if we've given up free kick goals yet. I personally didn't mind us defending deep, and that's what I preferred as a player. Hearing Paul Dolan's explanation in an interview I think it was, made a lot of sense. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Kent said: I'm not trying to pick apart your post, but this got me thinking. Does anybody have the stats on set piece goals against in the Floro era vs OZ era to date? I know a lot of people were really nervous about how we defended deep on free kicks under Floro, but I don't think we gave up many goals like that, if any. With OZ if I remember correctly we've given up some corner kick goals already, but I'm not sure if we've given up free kick goals yet. I personally didn't mind us defending deep, and that's what I preferred as a player. Hearing Paul Dolan's explanation in an interview I think it was, made a lot of sense. I'm sure you are right, and when I was younger and until maybe the last twenty years teams defended long indirect free kicks further back. It makes sense as you face the ball and the attackers, instead of having to run alongside them with them often facing in, apparently to their advantage. Defending deep means the attackers are in the keepers face, and he is at a disadvantage both seeing and reading the play, and that is why the international standard now is to defend further out. It is not to catch players offside, as many defending teams move back before the attackers come in anyways, to have a positional advantage. It is to get attackers further from goal and give your keeper a better chance. In any case, however a coach wants to do it, it needs time, you need practice sessions. And for a lot of other similar problems on a given day. None of which you can work on properly if you can't train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Although it doesn't affect us, the FIFA rankings have become even more important...they will now be used to seed teams into various pots for the World Cup group draw. In the past, pots were based on your confederation. http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11035467/fifa-confirms-2018-world-cup-seeds-will-be-based-on-october-rankings Blackjack15 and Lofty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 16/9/2017 at 5:53 AM, masster said: Although it doesn't affect us, the FIFA rankings have become even more important...they will now be used to seed teams into various pots for the World Cup group draw. In the past, pots were based on your confederation. http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11035467/fifa-confirms-2018-world-cup-seeds-will-be-based-on-october-rankings That article actually says that after the September rankings, they will be updated twice before the December draw. So I am thinking the headline is incorrect, it will be based on the November ranking--or else they've just muddled it and we need to check another source. As we stand now, Belgium, Poland and Switzerland would make the first pot, while France, England and Spain would be in the second. Really smart set up, unless, as I say, I have not grasped something. For us the important thing is to get higher to get a better group in Gold Cup and have a better chance to go further, as well as more favourable semifinal group in WCQ. We would all take pretty well any WC draw we were in, I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 @matty that England friendly in November better happen #Canada150th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Thompson Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Realistically; when we play our next official match which should be the 2019 Gold Cup following early rounds of Concacaf WCQ, How high can Canada really climb up the FIFA rankings? 75-50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) What the expected effect of a positive results versus El Salvador (ranked #99)? We are currently ranked #96. Edited September 27, 2017 by hamiltonfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 5 hours ago, hamiltonfan said: What the expected effect of a positive results versus El Salvador (ranked #99)? We are currently ranked #96. Well the game isn't available on FIFA's website with it's ranking tool yet, but I would estimate it would have approximately 0 effect. More specifically, we gained 17 points after our win against Jamaica last month, and they are ranked more than 30 spots ahead of El Salvador. We are 27 points behind the next team (Curacao). Probably the most important games for Canada in terms of ranking in October are Trinidad's World Cup qualifiers against USA and Mexico. If they draw either of those games there is a good chance they pass us. If they win a game they will have a healthy lead over us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtpc Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) October friendlies were loaded into the ranking system today. We currently have 368 points. After our match vs. El Salvador, we will either have 390 (win), 371 (draw), or 361 (loss). Before the match was included in the projection tool, it was saying 385 for us, so this is one of those weird situations where say we draw El Salvador, we'll have 14 fewer points (371) than if we hadn't played a match at all (385). Since we were going to have 385 points anyway with no match, a win basically nets us 5 more points. Please tell me the day is coming soon where we hit 400! El Salvador drops a point even if they win the friendly with us (360), so we will stay ahead of them regardless of what happens on October 8th. We could potentially jump ahead of Curacao (maybe into 8th in the region, depending on what T&T do in their 2 WCQ matches). Should we win, and Curacao either lose or draw vs. Qatar, we would jump ahead of them. Edited October 2, 2017 by jtpc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jith12 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, jtpc said: October friendlies were loaded into the ranking system today. We currently have 368 points. After our match vs. El Salvador, we will either have 390 (win), 371 (draw), or 361 (loss). Before the match was included in the projection tool, it was saying 385 for us, so this is one of those weird situations where say we draw El Salvador, we'll have 14 fewer points (371) than if we hadn't played a match at all (385). Since we were going to have 385 points anyway with no match, a win basically nets us 5 more points. Please tell me the day is coming soon where we hit 400! El Salvador drops a point even if they win the friendly with us (360), so we will stay ahead of them regardless of what happens on October 8th. We could potentially jump ahead of Curacao (maybe into 8th in the region, depending on what T&T do in their 2 WCQ matches). Should we win, and Curacao either lose or draw vs. Qatar, we would jump ahead of them. If we play in November and get good result we could get into the 400's. They said that TFC would never win the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Jith12 said: If we play in November and get good result we could get into the 400's. They said that TFC would never win the league... I highly doubt it. I didn't know how we calculate the last year, but we would be at 154 points, not counting the last year because I would need to find all results, and I can only find the Jamaica result that is worth 364.65 but I can't find any other result. But since the match that is coming off the books is a loss, I was able to find the average that we had. We would need to beat a CONMEBOL or UEFA team in the top 55 and if it's for any other confederation, it's in the top 31. And that is if we beat El Salvador. I didn't count for multiple matches, but two teams in the 80 range from CONMEBOL or UEFA or in the top 60 in other confederations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 @Edgar has released a projection of CONCACAF rankings for 2022 World Cup qualifying. Although the qualifying format reportedly will be different, it's interesting to see that the Americans are projected to be 4th. Under the old system that would leave them outside the top seeds. We're projected 9th. http://www.football-rankings.info/2017/10/2022-fifa-world-cup-qualifying-concacaf.html Blackjack15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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