yellowsweatygorilla Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, matty said: Just curious, what's everyone thinking for level of play now that we know it's "tier 1" and has at least 2 CFL owners involved? Near EFLeague 1 or SPL? Also 10 CanMNT players you picture playing in it in 2018? I'd say more like League 2, maybe bottom half. CMT from Europe: Kenny Stamatopoulos, Steven Vitória, James, Corbin-Ong, Piette, C. Trafford, Simeon Jackson, Hainult, Michael Petrasso, Iain Hume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, matty said: it's already under way there Has that been confirmed or more noise come out of Regina. Regina was only from initial rumored start up teams wasn't it? Didn't think anything else had been talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Watchmen said: It will be USL level. That's where they'll pull most of their Canadian players from. Ownership wealth will have nothing to do with the quality of the league. .. Yes it does 3 minutes ago, Watchmen said: ...The league will look to build a sustainable model built on lower end salaries (but higher than MLS started with back in it's day). Likely but it will also need to be attractive to the public. It likely needs to be better than USL and NASL to achieve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 minute ago, toontownman said: Has that been confirmed or more noise come out of Regina. Regina was only from initial rumored start up teams wasn't it? Didn't think anything else had been talked about. A city manager confirmed they were exploring a soccer team as a second tenant for Mosaic Stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, matty said: A city manager confirmed they were exploring a soccer team as a second tenant for Mosaic Stadium Beautiful. It's not saskatoon but I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, matty said: Yes it does. Let me rephrase that. Ownership wealth won't have much to do with the quality of *this* league. All indications are that they'll implement a salary cap of some sort. They'll worry more about the stability of the league and keep costs under control then they will about the quality. 5 minutes ago, matty said: Likely but it will also need to be attractive to the public. It likely needs to be better than USL and NASL to achieve that. I would say that while most people on this board care about that, the casual fan won't (and couldn't tell the difference at this lower level anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanSuffer Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I agree now is a time for celebration of the CanPL as the league is confirmed. And as more news will keep coming out. I'm a big CMNT supporter and CanPL supporter and always thought it would come to be. I get the impression there are some very savvy people behind this doing lots of due diligence. I'm very excited about the prospects for Canadian soccer going forward. Guilty I guess, as accused, of starting with a kind of negative post. But it's precisely for these reasons that TSN's response pisses me off. But in the end it's understandable. TSN like all of us has known about this league and about this meeting and ratification vote for a long time. For me, the burden of proof lies with TSN to explain why they didn't have a short 5 paragraph article written by one of their back-desk reporters, stating the importance of this first CanPL step, ready to go with a stock photo. Getting the headline wrong speaks volumes. It does seem to be Canadian Press article which I didn't notice at first. Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't pick up on that. Still, it changes little. I'm sure TSN will in due course cover the league. They know that most of their TFC fans are also CanMNT fansl. I just think they are going to drag their ass with CanPL coverage. And so far they are proving that to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 will be interesting to see which sources prove to be the most reliable from here on now that the cat is out of the bag. I know people have varying opinions of some of the people who were first on this story, but I'd argue there's a lot of credibility to be gained by people who prove to consistently get the early scoops now that the thing is definitely for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, Watchmen said: I would say that while most people on this board care about that, the casual fan won't (and couldn't tell the difference at this lower level anyway). Thing is, most casual fans in Canada do want to know they're watching something decent and something with cred. Something on par with USL won't trick them into watching. The league needs to sign national team players from Canada, Central America and the Caribbean, as many MLS level players as it can and likely needs to have DPs in place to get that cred, these guys don't need to be stars but they need to have cred. Otherwise drawing 5k will be nearly impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 6 hours ago, matty said: No Yet TVA Sports is doing in Quebec what RDS (French TSN) won't http://www.tvasports.ca/2017/05/06/la-premiere-ligue-canadienne-voit-le-jour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, matty said: Thing is, most casual fans in Canada do want to know they're watching something decent and something with cred. Something on par with USL won't trick them into watching. The league needs to sign national team players from Canada, Central America and the Caribbean, as many MLS level players as it can and likely needs to have DPs in place to get that cred, these guys don't need to be stars but they need to have cred. Otherwise drawing 5k will be nearly impossible Toronto Wolf pack drew over 6k on a shitty rainy day at Lamport Stadium this weekend. I think CPL attendances will surprise people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ansem said: Yet TVA Sports is doing in Quebec what RDS (French TSN) won't http://www.tvasports.ca/2017/05/06/la-premiere-ligue-canadienne-voit-le-jour If MLS was burying the story then Fox Sports would not have covered it. 1 minute ago, Ansem said: Toronto Wolf pack drew over 6k on a shitty rainy day at Lamport Stadium this weekend. I think CPL attendances will surprise people I think CPL could be it needs to be done right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, matty said: If MLS was burying the story then Fox Sports would not have covered it. They are protecting their interest in Canada. They could care less that Fox news talks about it, no Americans will be watching it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Just now, Ansem said: They are protecting their interest in Canada. They could care less that Fox news talks about it, no Americans will be watching it They must assume we don't use the internet. Anyways TSN did address the CPL which is more than most outlets did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Which one of you did this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Premier_League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said: Which one of you did this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Premier_League Gopherbashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanSuffer Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Yeah, I saw that too. It's great. I did correct the date to be May 6. Before was April 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, matty said: Just curious, what's everyone thinking for level of play now that we know it's "tier 1" and has at least 2 CFL owners involved? Near EFLeague 1 or SPL? Also 10 CanMNT players you picture playing in it in 2018? The domestic quota aside, a 60k average salary (1.5M over 25 spots) is in line with the bottom end of the SPL, top end of EFL League 2, several times USL salary, and in line with several eastern top tier European leagues. Just as a rough ballpark, obviously cost of living differs. Salary aside, it depends on what they peg the domestic quota as. The league will already have to overpay initially to attract interest, if they have to drastically overpay for Canadian talent the quality will drop despite the investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Just now, Complete Homer said: The domestic quota aside, a 60k average salary (1.5M over 25 spots) is in line with the bottom end of the SPL, top end of EFL League 2, several times USL salary, and in line with several eastern European leagues. Just as a rough ballpark. Salary aside, it depends on what they peg the domestic quota as. The league will already have to overpay initially to attract interest, if they have to drastically overpay for Canadian talent the quality will drop despite the investment Thing to note about the salary cap that everyone here is likely wrong, not every player counts against them. If the league is following the MLS model then it'll be 1.5m over 20 players not 25. 1.5m/20 = 75k average. There are also usually loopholes to lower how much a players salary takes up against the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: The domestic quota aside, a 60k average salary (1.5M over 25 spots) is in line with the bottom end of the SPL, top end of EFL League 2, several times USL salary, and in line with several eastern top tier European leagues. Just as a rough ballpark, obviously cost of living differs. Salary aside, it depends on what they peg the domestic quota as. The league will already have to overpay initially to attract interest, if they have to drastically overpay for Canadian talent the quality will drop despite the investment The overpay for Canadians is my concern and probably why I might be more okay with a lower Canadian quota than most. If salary is as good as suggested my first thought would be trying to get as many all-star NASL/USL guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, CanSuffer said: I agree now is a time for celebration of the CanPL as the league is confirmed. And as more news will keep coming out. I'm a big CMNT supporter and CanPL supporter and always thought it would come to be. I get the impression there are some very savvy people behind this doing lots of due diligence. I'm very excited about the prospects for Canadian soccer going forward. Guilty I guess, as accused, of starting with a kind of negative post. But it's precisely for these reasons that TSN's response pisses me off. But in the end it's understandable. TSN like all of us has known about this league and about this meeting and ratification vote for a long time. For me, the burden of proof lies with TSN to explain why they didn't have a short 5 paragraph article written by one of their back-desk reporters, stating the importance of this first CanPL step, ready to go with a stock photo. Getting the headline wrong speaks volumes. It does seem to be Canadian Press article which I didn't notice at first. Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't pick up on that. Still, it changes little. I'm sure TSN will in due course cover the league. They know that most of their TFC fans are also CanMNT fansl. I just think they are going to drag their ass with CanPL coverage. And so far they are proving that to be the case. because TSN hates soccer, obviously. They won't cover anything soccer unless they pretty much have to. then again it's the same with NBL I suppose. I dunno, it just seems like they don't really care about helping make something major league. They'll cover it once it becomes major league but until that point, fuck it. Kind of frustrating because I feel like it's very much a self-fulfilling prophecy. if people don't see something on tsn they assume it's minor league, they show up like it's minor league, and hence it is minor league. We'll have to do a lot of legwork in the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 #BoycottTSN what about SN, any coverage on there? #BoycottSN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 this article is bullshit http://www.tsn.ca/reed-to-become-next-canada-soccer-president-1.744730 tuck CPL as far down as possible and hopefully everyone will ignore it. I guess they're probably getting paid pretty well by MLS so fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, matty said: Thing is, most casual fans in Canada do want to know they're watching something decent and something with cred. Something on par with USL won't trick them into watching. The league needs to sign national team players from Canada, Central America and the Caribbean, as many MLS level players as it can and likely needs to have DPs in place to get that cred, these guys don't need to be stars but they need to have cred. Otherwise drawing 5k will be nearly impossible I meant the casual sports fan. The casual soccer fan will either show up because it's a Canadian league or won't show up at all because it's not Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Watchmen said: I meant the casual sports fan. The casual soccer fan will either show up because it's a Canadian league or won't show up at all because it's not Europe. I also was talking about casual sports fans. They want something legit and are able to become informed enough about a sport to see when something lacks cred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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